Secretelephant:
A bit OT I know but as there seems to be some aviation “experts” here…"…
I was watching " Cold War hot jets" the other week and loved the section about the E E Lightening.
In the program the pilot takes one down the runway kicks in the after burners and just as get close to take off…he cuts power and deploys the aircrafts parachute.
Is this because the aircraft although seeming to be in fully working order isn’t allowed to fly ?
If so I wonder what would happen if the pilot took off by mistake. A sudden head wind lifting him off the ground for instance ?
It’s a shame if there are no flying lightenings as them seemed to be a proper loon of an aircraft . Mach2 + with no computer jiggery pokery to help you out.
The Lightning amongst other similar types of aircraft isn’t allowed to fly here.Because for whatever reason,as I said,the CAA seems to think that primitive first generation jets like the Meteor,Vampire,Gnat and Hunter are less of a risk.
The last flying Lightning was in South Africa where the authorities allow such planes to fly.
While the US FAA also seems to be ok with allowing planes like the Phantom to fly.Although they are all obviously very complex and expensive pieces of kit to maintain in flying condition.On that note historic jets would probably have the best chance of being maintained and flown safely by keeping them in the hands of the relevant airforces like the BBMF does with WW2 types.
While unfortunately the Thunder City Lightning suffered a mechanical fault and crashed. Which again might possibly have been a result of the difficulty of trying to maintain such complex military equipment with limited private resources.The relevant bit in that case being that the idea of thinking that earlier less able designs like the Vampire and the Hunter are less of a risk in that regard is really just creating a false sense of security.
The Victor at Bruntingthorpe did take off by mistake following a fast taxi, despite not being airworthy. I heard the pilot “froze” prior to take off, whatever “froze” means.
A pilot at Bruntingthorpe got into a bit of bother after he took off in a Victor whilst doing a fast taxi. The aircraft has no permit to fly, and dispite only flying a few feet, he was severely reprimanded.
A lot of aircraft are capable of flying, just not allowed too. There is also another Vulcan that could fly given the chance, but that chance will never happen.
alder:
I knew it the TNUK Air Investigation Branch are on the case, this will be solved by the end of the weekend
Let’s just say it looked like it was possibly down on power while climbing into the loop and no way of maintaining/recovering altitude from that point.
alder:
I knew it the TNUK Air Investigation Branch are on the case, this will be solved by the end of the weekend
Let’s just say it looked like it was possibly down on power while climbing into the loop and no way of maintaining/recovering altitude from that point.
been quite a few deaths from airshow crashes in the last 5 years,wonder if a ban will come in near built up areas,probably only a matter of time,those poor people though,sitting in their cars thinking about a great day then that happens,they never stood a chance,rip
truckman020:
been quite a few deaths from airshow crashes in the last 5 years,wonder if a ban will come in near built up areas,probably only a matter of time,those poor people though,sitting in their cars thinking about a great day then that happens,they never stood a chance,rip
until this awful event happened yesterday,the last deaths at an airshow(in Britain) of people that were not aircrew or pilots was Farnborough in 1952.
truckman020:
been quite a few deaths from airshow crashes in the last 5 years,wonder if a ban will come in near built up areas,probably only a matter of time,those poor people though,sitting in their cars thinking about a great day then that happens,they never stood a chance,rip
until this awful event happened yesterday,the last deaths at an airshow(in Britain) of people that were not aircrew or pilots was Farnborough in 1952.
I think you mean non military and members of the veiwing public
Four aircrew and three ground crew where killed at Syerston in 1958.
The plane that crashed yesterday did have an ejection seat you can see the warning signs on the close up of it coming over the trees.
truckman020:
been quite a few deaths from airshow crashes in the last 5 years,wonder if a ban will come in near built up areas,probably only a matter of time,those poor people though,sitting in their cars thinking about a great day then that happens,they never stood a chance,rip
until this awful event happened yesterday,the last deaths at an airshow(in Britain) of people that were not aircrew or pilots was Farnborough in 1952.
I think you mean non military and members of the veiwing public.
TheBorg:
There isn’t a single civilian aircraft flying in the UK today that is fitted with fully functioning ejection seats.
If you think there is, and you may use Google to it’s full effect, then post it’s registration number here so we can confirm with the aircraft operator.
What a pillock!
In fact what a disrespectful, intellectually bereft pillock.
It seems this moron has infected a few topics recently with his 30 odd posts of argumentative drivel. Happy it seems to state that people are just words on a screen yet without irony he will find it so important to educate us all on his facts…
I can only hope that come Sept 3rd or 4th this pathetic little problem will disappear and let the adults carry on.
Back on topic and with apoligies for allowing this mouth breather any more attention I would like to offer my condolences to those involved, losing a loved one in such an horrific yet random way is awful regardless of the blame. It appears those killed and named were simply going about their business, be it football or a wedding to chauffeur, truly tragic.
I only hope for two things…
There is no knee jerk reaction about airshows
This doesn’t become he next Zebrugge, I can here it now in the RDC, yeah mate, I was just held at the lights or… Yeah mate , it went over my head blah blah blah, yet more disrespectful cretins wanting to make themselves feel bigger, better or more clever at the expense of the real victims and heroes, just like this Borg moron…
Norfolkinclue1:
I only hope .
There is no knee jerk reaction about airshows
This might at least help to confirm that it might have been an engine problem not a pilot error.That sounds like a sick unresponsive engine to me with what possibly sounds like surging at the top when it ran out of climbing ability.Or the relatively light rushing and whistling at what would be expected to be a deafening roar during the last chance call for power before running out of room.
Well, well, well, would you bloody well adam an eve it, our resident font of all knowledge has decreed that there was a fault in the engine ‘cos it didn’t sound right’, not bad for someone who obviously dosen’t get out much and spends all day on Wikipedia and the like searching for suitable replies. From the ferry at Dover problem to world ■■■■■■■■■■ by the pro immigration and … oh bollux to it I’m going to bed, let’s not forget Prince Charlie getting all the young girls, probably bored the pants off the ones he met, but obviously not cos he never got that far. Goodnight all.
While it’s an interesting discussion can you all please spare the speculation of the cause of this particular crash for the time being.
Norkolkinclue1, although I wasn’t there in the Zebrugge fashion you mention, one of my wife’s work colleagues is still to be unaccounted for and was travelling past around the same time as the crash on his motorbike.
Soldier z:
Hunters do whistle it’s the flow of the air over guns that makes the noise.
Best to wait for the BoI it might be suprisin what comes out.
Wonder if he’ll get the same deal as the Glasgow bin lorry driver.
I’m going by what seems to me to be an abandoned climb and loop with what sounds like a stuttering thumping intake sound and light rushing whistling sound when it should sound like this.There’s really no comparison between the two respective engine notes or performance levels.
I would have thought he’d have rolled out rather than loop it if he’d had a thought that there was engine trouble.
Check the vid I think he possibly did roll out of it in a split S as/when it stopped climbing and then didn’t have the power to pull it back level out of the dive.While the Shuttleworth example seems to show the intended climb and loop that was obviously mostly dependent on maintaining thrust in the climb and into the loop.Which in this case seemed to not be there.
Soldier z:
Hunters do whistle it’s the flow of the air over guns that makes the noise.
Best to wait for the BoI it might be suprisin what comes out.
Wonder if he’ll get the same deal as the Glasgow bin lorry driver.
I’m going by what seems to me to be an abandoned climb and loop with what sounds like a stuttering thumping intake sound and light rushing whistling sound when it should sound like this.There’s really no comparison between the two respective engine notes or performance levels.
Which again might possibly have been a result of the difficulty of trying to maintain such complex military equipment with limited private resources.The relevant bit in that case being that the idea of thinking that earlier less able designs like the Vampire and the Hunter are less of a risk in that regard 
is really just creating a false sense of security. 
