muckles:
eagerbeaver:
How on earth has the pilot survived that crash?Is that confirmed? I can only think he must of ejected from the aircraft.
Civilian aircraft cannot fly with ejector seats.
There is not one ex-military aircraft that retains this feature.
TheBorg:
muckles:
eagerbeaver:
How on earth has the pilot survived that crash?Is that confirmed? I can only think he must of ejected from the aircraft.
Civilian aircraft cannot fly with ejector seats.
There is not one ex-military aircraft that retains this feature.
Fair enough never knew that, 
just makes it more unbelievable he actually survived, when I first heard they pulled the pilot from the wreckage I assumed a low speed crash after landing and not to serious, when the next report said it crashed onto the A27 I thought the first report of the pilot surviving must be wrong, especially after seeing the pictures of the fire ball. 
TheBorg:
muckles:
eagerbeaver:
How on earth has the pilot survived that crash?Is that confirmed? I can only think he must of ejected from the aircraft.
Civilian aircraft cannot fly with ejector seats.
There is not one ex-military aircraft that retains this feature.
That’s not true In the slightest . Many ex military aircraft have fully functioning ejection seats. It’s part of their permit to fly that they are properly maintained. In fact for some aircraft types the CAA won’t grant a permit without fully functioning ejection seats.
CAA document detailing this is here.
caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP%20632% … rcraft.pdf
Paragraph detailing it
Ejection seats
5.8
5.9
Where ejection seats are an integral part of the aircrew escape system, as specified in the relevant Pilots Notes, Flight or Aircrew Manuals, it is recommended that they be fully serviceable for all flights. Approval should be sought from the CAA (Application and Approvals) at the earliest opportunity if it is intended to operate with inert ejection seats (or other escape systems). It is unlikely that the CAA will allow swept-wing aircraft fitted with ejection seats to be flown unless the equipment is fully operational.
Ejection seat cartridge lives are typically 2 years installed, within a 6 year shelf life. To be fully serviceable the cartridges installed must be within their appropriate lives.
My thoughts are with the families of the deceased, RIP
Not a lot of people know this . . . but the BBMF Lancaster pilots used to really struggle to land the ■■■■ thing.
Indeed, they almost wrote it off once when it slewed 90deg & ripped the under carriage off a few moments after touchdown.
There was never any shortage of volunteers of the brilliant young pilots willing to take it up, but few wanted to experience a second landing in anything but perfect conditions.
Can any of you [zb]s get your head around the fact that the mighty Lanc’ might actually be a [zb] of a PiG to land & not at all like your romantic notions formed from watching old Ealing war movies.
How to do it & survive was never written down in one of the many manuals they studied.
It was an old bloke who happened to visit BBMF shortly after they slewed it 90deg who put them right, he told them how they used to land the ■■■■ things in the good old days & I’ll give a clue to the uninitiated . . . . it most certainly is not a conventional landing technique !
109LWB:
TheBorg:
muckles:
eagerbeaver:
How on earth has the pilot survived that crash?Is that confirmed? I can only think he must of ejected from the aircraft.
Civilian aircraft cannot fly with ejector seats.
There is not one ex-military aircraft that retains this feature.
That’s not true In the slightest . Many ex military aircraft have fully functioning ejection seats. It’s part of their permit to fly that they are properly maintained. In fact for some aircraft types the CAA won’t grant a permit without fully functioning ejection seats.
CAA document detailing this is here.
caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP%20632% … rcraft.pdfParagraph detailing it
Ejection seats
5.8
5.9
Where ejection seats are an integral part of the aircrew escape system, as specified in the relevant Pilots Notes, Flight or Aircrew Manuals, it is recommended that they be fully serviceable for all flights. Approval should be sought from the CAA (Application and Approvals) at the earliest opportunity if it is intended to operate with inert ejection seats (or other escape systems). It is unlikely that the CAA will allow swept-wing aircraft fitted with ejection seats to be flown unless the equipment is fully operational.
Ejection seat cartridge lives are typically 2 years installed, within a 6 year shelf life. To be fully serviceable the cartridges installed must be within their appropriate lives.
There isn’t a single civilian aircraft flying in the UK today that is fitted with fully functioning ejection seats.
If you think there is, and you may use Google to it’s full effect, then post it’s registration number here so we can confirm with the aircraft operator.
I don’t think this is an appropriate time or thread to be hurling insults around.
Lets show a bit of respect eh?
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
The Hunter was always a piece of junk like the Vampire.But the CAA allows them to fly but not designs like the Phantom.I was there when this happened.
Is there anything at all you don’t proclaim to be an expert in?
I’m guessing you didn’t bother to read the pilot’s comments in the link. 
TheBorg:
Can any of you [zb] get your head around the fact that the mighty Lanc’ might actually be a [zb] of a PiG to land & not at all like your romantic notions formed from watching old Ealing war movies.
I’m sure a four engine tail dragger heavy bomber that was built over 70 years ago would be quite a challenge to handle, but is there any need for insults? 
muckles:
I’m sure a four engine tail dragger heavy bomber that was built over 70 years ago would be quite a challenge to handle, but is there any need for insults?
Do you feel insulted?
To me you’re just text on a screen & I have no need to insult you personally.
But if you feel personally insulted (or maybe one of your socks) then perhaps you should just go find a corner & sulk over there !
109LWB:
Carryfast:
The Hunter was always a piece of junk like the Vampire.But the CAA allows them to fly but not designs like the Phantom.I was there when this happened.
Strange how there Are hundreds of hunters still flying without incident.
airforce-technology.com/news … ot-4423785
aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=136875
aviation-safety.net/wikibase/db … UNT&page=6
While according to the info available the Swiss Airforce had 32 Hunter crashes and lost 14 pilots equating to 10 losses for every 100,000 flying hours.
Not to mention,as stated,one almost getting me on the ground while on my holiday.
Sword Aviation operating out of North Weald operate two MK5 Jet Provost aircraft.
Both civillian registered both retain their ejection seats.
AFAIK All civillian MK5 Provosts retain their seats as the canopy is not suitable for manual bailout.
You can have ejection seats in civillian jets but it does add cost and maintenance to the aircraft costs and servicing.
However if you haven’t recieved proper training a seat can do as much damage as not ejecting.
Incidentlly if reports are to be believed nce of the instructers there was todays pilot.
TheBorg:
There isn’t a single civilian aircraft flying in the UK today that is fitted with fully functioning ejection seats.If you think there is, and you may use Google to it’s full effect, then post it’s registration number here so we can confirm with the aircraft operator.
No need to use google. I can go down to my local airfield where there are several ex military jets that fly frequently and have ejection seats. I can even talk to the pilots if you’d like.
I’ve spent a vast amount of my life working with these aircraft and the people that fly them.
Here’s one to keep you going. XH558. Ring any bells?
Ah the old tin triangle
Saw it a couple of weeks ago
Its at Rhyl next Saturday. Beast of a thing that Vulcan.
eagerbeaver:
Its at Rhyl next Saturday. Beast of a thing that Vulcan.
Pity that there not letting the beast take to the skies anymore after the end of this years airshow season
Swampey2418:
eagerbeaver:
Its at Rhyl next Saturday. Beast of a thing that Vulcan.Pity that there not letting the beast take to the skies anymore after the end of this years airshow season
The word is it’s the engines that ran out of life not so much the air frame ?.While unfortunately there seems to be no connection and resulting total incompatibility with the later versions of the Olympus as used in the Concorde.Which,considering how many were obviously removed from them,seems a sad ironic end for it.
Meanwhile hopefully this will get sorted which at least would make up for the loss of the Thunder City Lightning.
Carryfast:
The word is it’s the engines that ran out of life not so much the air frame ?.While unfortunately there seems to be no connection and resulting total incompatibility with the later versions of the Olympus as used in the Concorde.Which,considering how many were obviously removed from them,seems a sad ironic end for it.
Number of reasons… lack of parts plus the airframe as exceeded its flying allowances, You’ll probably find why the aircraft is being grounded is that BAE Systems, Marshall Aerospace and Defence Group and Rolls-Royce aren’t decided to cease their support at the end of this flying season. Without that support, under Civil Aviation Authority regulations, the Vulcan are prohibited from flying.
A bit OT I know but as there seems to be some aviation “experts” here…"…
I was watching " Cold War hot jets" the other week and loved the section about the E E Lightening.
In the program the pilot takes one down the runway kicks in the after burners and just as get close to take off…he cuts power and deploys the aircrafts parachute. 
Is this because the aircraft although seeming to be in fully working order isn’t allowed to fly ?
If so I wonder what would happen if the pilot took off by mistake. A sudden head wind lifting him off the ground for instance ?
It’s a shame if there are no flying lightenings as them seemed to be a proper loon of an aircraft . Mach2 + with no computer jiggery pokery to help you out.
I knew it the TNUK Air Investigation Branch are on the case, this will be solved by the end of the weekend 