Bewick:
“Saviem” summed matters up perfectly,as per usual, and he touched on the “Poll tax” that Maggie was forced to ditch,well maybe not “forced” it was more like not sticking to her guns because if there was one piece of legislation that was fair it was the “poll tax” and IMHO this should be brought back together with a law similar to the one they have in Australia whereby everyone by law has to vote (even if they just write “[zb] you” on their ballot paper!)I realise that this may throw up some peculiar results but at least it will be truly democratic.I believe that after the Scottish referendum whichever way they vote there will have to major changes to the political landscape in these islands because the sleeping English Giant has just about had enough of the self serving political class and this Scottish debacle is the straw that finally broke the camels back.Watch this space I say !! Cheers Bewick.
Like UKIP you obviously don’t mind being English when it suits you and Unionist when it doesn’t.The fact is if this is really England then Scotland is obviously Scotland.
The fact is like most of Maggie’s ideas the poll tax was all about reducing the tax burden on the wealthiest households while increasing on the least wealthy ones.
As per usual “CF” you are talking bollox,and I am English first and British second and never claimed to have been anything else,I suppose I’ll now have to add a caveat and write the word “Northern” in fron’t of “English”,well at least it will set me apart from you mongrels in the South East,especially from the inbreds around Leatherhead eh! Bewick
By my history you Norvernors were never English anyway.In your case you’ve got the choice between Scottish or Danish and the Danes zb’d off long ago when they overstayed their welcome.As for British exactly where did that nationality in the British Isles originate.You’ve guessed it a non existent nation dreamt up by a load of French invaders because us Suvvernors couldn’t fight off two invasions at two different ends of the country at once.
I’m proud of my Viking heritage “CF” and as for fighting well you are correct you “Suverners” couldn’t fight your way out of a wet paper bag,and for your info the Normans (who kicked your Butts) were actually of Norse decent and not Frogs otherwise your army of wimps would have beat them eh!If we had a look at your DNA it would probably contain the DNA of something out of the New Forest that grazed on the hazel nuts ! Bewick.
I have a plan CarryFast obviously has plenty o time on his hands how about getting him to engage Salmond and Sturgeon in a discussion to find out the truth about how they intend to make their Independence setup work. I would think that a few hours with CF would do the trick and the pair o them would be reduced to a couple o blubbering wrecks and would pull the plug on the whole thing. Well what thinks ye. Eddie.
Bewick:
I’m proud of my Viking heritage “CF” and as for fighting well you are correct you “Suverners” couldn’t fight your way out of a wet paper bag,and for your info the Normans (who kicked your Butts) were actually of Norse decent and not Frogs otherwise your army of wimps would have beat them eh!If we had a look at your DNA it would probably contain the DNA of something out of the New Forest that grazed on the hazel nuts ! Bewick.
Trust me they were deffo mostly Frogs not Vikings.
It’s just that there were more of them and they had the tanks of the day ( Cavalry ).While our lot were just knackered having had to march up Norf and sort out the real Vikings before marching all the way back Saf again to sort out the Frogs who’d arrived mob handed.The rest is history in that what was left of the English then joined the Frogs over the years to help them to start up the UK in Scotland etc where,like Harold,Wallace almost beat the zb’s.
erfguy:
I have a plan CarryFast obviously has plenty o time on his hands how about getting him to engage Salmond and Sturgeon in a discussion to find out the truth about how they intend to make their Independence setup work. I would think that a few hours with CF would do the trick and the pair o them would be reduced to a couple o blubbering wrecks and would pull the plug on the whole thing. Well what thinks ye. Eddie.
We’ve already established elsewhere that Scotland has at least 4 times as much,probably more,in wealth creating resources as population to support.It would take an absolute idiot to not be able to make that work.However Salmond seems to think that the best thing to do in that situation is to stay in the EU and bring in more population.In which case I obviously can’t help him.
Well there you have it folks,you heard it first on TNUK the “Leatherhead One” can’t help Alec and Nicola in their hour of need so they are ■■■■■■! Bewick.
Bewick:
Well there you have it folks,you heard it first on TNUK the “Leatherhead One” can’t help Alec and Nicola in their hour of need so they are [zb]! Bewick.
To be fair I’ve told my Scottish nationalist allies that it can still work if they just use Salmond to get them out of the ‘UK’ and then ditch him in favour of a real nationalist leader like a modern day version of Wallace.While we need modern day version of Harold.In which case I’d be up for the job.
Whatever the result on Thursday it will represent a seismic shift in the British political landscape. Why should those franchised to vote in a country with just 8% of the total population of the UK determine the future of the UK, one way of the other. Is that democracy? I don’t think so. Those in the Westminster bubble have really messed this up big time.
Bewick:
Well there you have it folks,you heard it first on TNUK the “Leatherhead One” can’t help Alec and Nicola in their hour of need so they are [zb]! Bewick.
To be fair I’ve told my Scottish nationalist allies that it can still work if they just use Salmond to get them out of the ‘UK’ and then ditch him in favour of a real nationalist leader like a modern day version of Wallace.While we need modern day version of Harold.In which case I’d be up for the job.
I presume you are referring to Harold Macmillan, one of the worst prime ministers in the history of this country? Sums you right up really
gingerfold:
Whatever the result on Thursday it will represent a seismic shift in the British political landscape. Why should those franchised to vote in a country with just 8% of the total population of the UK determine the future of the UK, one way of the other. Is that democracy? I don’t think so. Those in the Westminster bubble have really messed this up big time.
By that logic any referendum for us to secede from the EU would have to be decided by majority vote across the EU not just here.How is that supposedly ‘democratic’.IE denial of the right to self determination.
It’s a vote as to wether ‘Scotland’ wants to choose to secede from the UK not a vote as to wether the ‘UK’ wants to ‘keep’ Scotland as part of the UK.Your idea eventually leads to ‘issues’ such as those which took place in Ireland before 1921,the breakup of the former Yugoslavia and the small ‘argument’ which took place between the CSA and USA in 1861.The fact that a Scottish vote,in favour of leaving the UK,would probably make the UK federation unviable,is a side issue and a bonus depending on point of view concerning nationalism v federalism.Just like if we left the EU and just like if the ‘right’ side had won the US civil war and the breakup of the former Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union.
So no forcing a nation which chooses the right to govern itself as a sovereign territory,to stay in a Federation,is anything but democracy and something which Stalin would have been proud of.
Having said that it’s obvious that ‘we’ should at least get a choice as to getting ‘our’ nation back in the form of England not the choice as to wether Scotland can have it’s returned to it.
Bewick:
Well there you have it folks,you heard it first on TNUK the “Leatherhead One” can’t help Alec and Nicola in their hour of need so they are [zb]! Bewick.
To be fair I’ve told my Scottish nationalist allies that it can still work if they just use Salmond to get them out of the ‘UK’ and then ditch him in favour of a real nationalist leader like a modern day version of Wallace.While we need modern day version of Harold.In which case I’d be up for the job.
I presume you are referring to Harold Macmillan, one of the worst prime ministers in the history of this country? Sums you right up really
Or maybe you just don’t like the idea of English nationalism of which the ‘Harold’ who I’m referring to was the last real English leader of the English nation.Against an invading federalist cause which unfortunately won out ‘at that time’ and obviously ‘so far’ since.
Harold was part Danish. There’s no such thing as pure English dear Carryfast. Your attempts to invoke historical context show up your very poor historical knowledge.
Bewick:
“Saviem” summed matters up perfectly,as per usual, and he touched on the “Poll tax” that Maggie was forced to ditch,well maybe not “forced” it was more like not sticking to her guns because if there was one piece of legislation that was fair it was the “poll tax” and IMHO this should be brought back together with a law similar to the one they have in Australia whereby everyone by law has to vote (even if they just write “[zb] you” on their ballot paper!)I realise that this may throw up some peculiar results but at least it will be truly democratic.I believe that after the Scottish referendum whichever way they vote there will have to major changes to the political landscape in these islands because the sleeping English Giant has just about had enough of the self serving political class and this Scottish debacle is the straw that finally broke the camels back.Watch this space I say !! Cheers Bewick.
It is not often that I agree with you Bewick. This is going to turn nasty what ever the outcome, 50% of the country being angry. The Union will never be the same again.
Carryfast you have a fair point as regards the rest of the EU voting on Britain’s membership IF a referendum is ever held, but to take your reasoning against my suggestion then the remainder of the EU should vote on Scotland’s wish for independence or not. Obviously that is totally impractical and that is why we have democratically elected Governments to make decisions that should reflect the wishes of the population. My point is, and was, that our politicians have completely screwed up on this issue and they have completely mishandled it. Having said that they are sailing in uncharted waters constitutionally and I’m at a loss to think of how it could have been handled differently to satisfy the diverse opinions of everbody.
McWilliam:
This is going to turn nasty what ever the outcome, 50% of the country being angry. The Union will never be the same again.
Your quite right “McWilliam” which ever side lose by what will be a “whisker” will definitely be a very sore loser and the aggro will start,there’ll be no peace until the Scots have their independence,regardless of what Salmond said on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday he won’t be leaving it alone if his SNP crowd lose the vote they will carry on whining and causing difficulties,they will defo be sore losers. Bewick.
Bewick:
“Saviem” summed matters up perfectly,as per usual, and he touched on the “Poll tax” that Maggie was forced to ditch,well maybe not “forced” it was more like not sticking to her guns because if there was one piece of legislation that was fair it was the “poll tax” and IMHO this should be brought back together with a law similar to the one they have in Australia whereby everyone by law has to vote (even if they just write “[zb] you” on their ballot paper!)I realise that this may throw up some peculiar results but at least it will be truly democratic.I believe that after the Scottish referendum whichever way they vote there will have to major changes to the political landscape in these islands because the sleeping English Giant has just about had enough of the self serving political class and this Scottish debacle is the straw that finally broke the camels back.Watch this space I say !! Cheers Bewick.
It is not often that I agree with you Bewick. This is going to turn nasty what ever the outcome, 50% of the country being angry. The Union will never be the same again.
Now I always thought you did agree with me “McWilliam” Bewick.
Bewick.
