interesting to see Salmond when he’s put under pressure questioning by Nick Robinson.
This is not a pleasant man!
Would you buy a used car from him?
Jazzandy:
interesting to see Salmond when he’s put under pressure questioning by Nick Robinson.This is not a pleasant man!
Would you buy a used car from him?
I wouldn’t by a bag of crisps off him never mind a used car, What does he expect to gain from this I wonder ? Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
I wouldn’t by a bag of crisps off him never mind a used car, What does he expect to gain from this I wonder ? Regards Larry.
Personally I think he’s after his name in the history books ‘The man who got Scotland independence’, nothing more, nothing less.
Rich_T:
Lawrence Dunbar:
I wouldn’t by a bag of crisps off him never mind a used car, What does he expect to gain from this I wonder ? Regards Larry.Personally I think he’s after his name in the history books ‘The man who got Scotland independence’, nothing more, nothing less.
Half of Scotland is going to “■■■■■■ off” big time after next Thursday,it should never have got this far but as far as I can see it will be nothing but aggro from here on in so let them have their independence and get out of our hair once and for all.It will all end in tears so I hope they string that ■■■■ Salmond up eventually. Cheers Bewick.
Apathy will win on the day !!!
alexsaville:
Eddie
Did you ask your MP, David Mundell, the lone Tory MP in Scotland, about the Bedroom Tax? What did he do about it?
Nothing, of course!We had the hated Poll Tax a full year before the rest of this so-called United Kingdom, or have you forgotten? We had riots in the streets over that!
So what did all the Scottish MP’s who were at Westminster do about that?
NOTHING!Evening all…you may not like what follows…
The “Bedroom Tax”…
If you are an “owner occupier”…and find that you cannot afford the accommodation that you are trying to buy, (on a mortgage, with all the sacrifices that may entail, less holidays, less alcohol, less cigarettes, and more work…however much you are paid), then you seek an alternative, lower cost home…or just tighten your belt further…, BUT, you do not blame everyone else for your circumstance!
So, if you are in a local authority, housing association, or private rented home…then what is the difference pray? Your income, (shall we call it benefits), does not cover your outgoings…so you go down the route of the owner occupier…No work you cry…but dear friends there is, it may not pay what you like, but there is work, you just have seek it out, to cover the cost increase, just like the “poor” owner occupier It is the same scenario.
The Poll Tax…correct formula, the more of you in a property, the more services you , (as a ratio), use…so you should pay more.
Then in comes the destruction of once" great" Britain …the “green eye”, jealousy…
Envy, over perceived wealth…"
that property is worth more than mine, and those two people pay less tax than I do with a household of six"!!!
But who uses potentially more public services?
But the Poll Tax is gone, defeated by the overwhelming political weight of citizens identifying with a lack of personal responsibility, looking for the state to provide for them…(or the fear that they may have to provide for themselves)!!!
But that seems to prevail in the Britain of today. The few brief years that I spent working in the USA was like a breath of fresh air. Personal responsibility, responsibility to ones family, colleagues, neighbours, and ones country, absolutely paramount. Life`s adversities were to be overcome, not defeated by them. And pride in their country, (whatever mistakes it made), was absolute.
Perhaps Mr Salmond, and his team can engender such passion…I fear not, for the overwhelming aura is of, “we are being ripped off”, “its ours…lets spend it, and enjoy”, coupled with a mild, to serious aura of racist anti English drama to add some "sparkle " to the arguments. If we do part it will be a sad occasion…for together we have made a real impact for good in the World. And our ties have been close, so close that they will take some undoing…but that will not be the choice from this land.
Cheerio for now
Saviem:
alexsaville:
Eddie
Did you ask your MP, David Mundell, the lone Tory MP in Scotland, about the Bedroom Tax? What did he do about it?
Nothing, of course!We had the hated Poll Tax a full year before the rest of this so-called United Kingdom, or have you forgotten? We had riots in the streets over that!
So what did all the Scottish MP’s who were at Westminster do about that?
NOTHING!Evening all…you may not like what follows…
The “Bedroom Tax”…
If you are an “owner occupier”…and find that you cannot afford the accommodation that you are trying to buy, (on a mortgage, with all the sacrifices that may entail, less holidays, less alcohol, less cigarettes, and more work…however much you are paid), then you seek an alternative, lower cost home…or just tighten your belt further…, BUT, you do not blame everyone else for your circumstance!
So, if you are in a local authority, housing association, or private rented home…then what is the difference pray? Your income, (shall we call it benefits), does not cover your outgoings…so you go down the route of the owner occupier…No work you cry…but dear friends there is, it may not pay what you like, but there is work, you just have seek it out, to cover the cost increase, just like the “poor” owner occupier It is the same scenario.
The Poll Tax…correct formula, the more of you in a property, the more services you , (as a ratio), use…so you should pay more.
Then in comes the destruction of once" great" Britain …the “green eye”, jealousy…
Envy, over perceived wealth…"
that property is worth more than mine, and those two people pay less tax than I do with a household of six"!!!
But who uses potentially more public services?
But the Poll Tax is gone, defeated by the overwhelming political weight of citizens identifying with a lack of personal responsibility, looking for the state to provide for them…(or the fear that they may have to provide for themselves)!!!
But that seems to prevail in the Britain of today. The few brief years that I spent working in the USA was like a breath of fresh air. Personal responsibility, responsibility to ones family, colleagues, neighbours, and ones country, absolutely paramount. Life`s adversities were to be overcome, not defeated by them. And pride in their country, (whatever mistakes it made), was absolute.
Perhaps Mr Salmond, and his team can engender such passion…I fear not, for the overwhelming aura is of, “we are being ripped off”, “its ours…lets spend it, and enjoy”, coupled with a mild, to serious aura of racist anti English drama to add some "sparkle " to the arguments. If we do part it will be a sad occasion…for together we have made a real impact for good in the World. And our ties have been close, so close that they will take some undoing…but that will not be the choice from this land.
Cheerio for now
Fantastic ! spot on great post , Scocilisim is a system for humans that DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HUMAN NATURE ,it is always doomed to fail , giving houses ect to ■■■■ that will not work and expecting the real working class to work harder for claiments is hardly fair
Saviem:
alexsaville:
Eddie
Did you ask your MP, David Mundell, the lone Tory MP in Scotland, about the Bedroom Tax? What did he do about it?
Nothing, of course!We had the hated Poll Tax a full year before the rest of this so-called United Kingdom, or have you forgotten? We had riots in the streets over that!
So what did all the Scottish MP’s who were at Westminster do about that?
NOTHING!Evening all…you may not like what follows…
The “Bedroom Tax”…
If you are an “owner occupier”…and find that you cannot afford the accommodation that you are trying to buy, (on a mortgage, with all the sacrifices that may entail, less holidays, less alcohol, less cigarettes, and more work…however much you are paid), then you seek an alternative, lower cost home…or just tighten your belt further…, BUT, you do not blame everyone else for your circumstance!
So, if you are in a local authority, housing association, or private rented home…then what is the difference pray? Your income, (shall we call it benefits), does not cover your outgoings…so you go down the route of the owner occupier…No work you cry…but dear friends there is, it may not pay what you like, but there is work, you just have seek it out, to cover the cost increase, just like the “poor” owner occupier It is the same scenario.
The Poll Tax…correct formula, the more of you in a property, the more services you , (as a ratio), use…so you should pay more.
Then in comes the destruction of once" great" Britain …the “green eye”, jealousy…
Envy, over perceived wealth…"
that property is worth more than mine, and those two people pay less tax than I do with a household of six"!!!
But who uses potentially more public services?
But the Poll Tax is gone, defeated by the overwhelming political weight of citizens identifying with a lack of personal responsibility, looking for the state to provide for them…(or the fear that they may have to provide for themselves)!!!
But that seems to prevail in the Britain of today. The few brief years that I spent working in the USA was like a breath of fresh air. Personal responsibility, responsibility to ones family, colleagues, neighbours, and ones country, absolutely paramount. Life`s adversities were to be overcome, not defeated by them. And pride in their country, (whatever mistakes it made), was absolute.
Perhaps Mr Salmond, and his team can engender such passion…I fear not, for the overwhelming aura is of, “we are being ripped off”, “its ours…lets spend it, and enjoy”, coupled with a mild, to serious aura of racist anti English drama to add some "sparkle " to the arguments. If we do part it will be a sad occasion…for together we have made a real impact for good in the World. And our ties have been close, so close that they will take some undoing…but that will not be the choice from this land.
Cheerio for now
The resistance to the Poll tax was actually based on the idea of the more wealth you take out of the economy then the more tax you should pay.The poll tax of course being a case of reducing the tax bills of those with the most ability to pay it,having taken the most wealth out,while putting more burden proportionally on those with less because they were taking less.
So yes let’s have American society but let’s also have the required incomes to pay for it.In this case ironically if you want everyone to pay their way in society in the form of private health care and private income protection etc etc and taxation then they’ll need the incomes to pay for it.However America like all the rest is good at taking money from those with the least ability to pay it but it’s not so good these days in wanting to give it in the form of well paid jobs and decent wages.Preferring instead to ship jobs out to cheap labour economies including Communist ones like China instead.
The fact is your ideas are gradually being seen for what they are in being all about a Communist type system of government imposed rationed living standards that under pay the many to make the few at the top richer.While the America which you seem to be describing is now long gone.The difference being that between Fordist economics as opposed to Communist ones.In which case those values,of personal responsibility which you’re describing,were only there because the people were provided with the jobs and incomes required to apply them.The fact is America is a very different place today based on the type of inequalities which your ideas create.
Lol
erfguy:
Well if the so great First Minister had been ocht worth his salt he and his government would have done something about the bedroom tax for a man in his position it should have been possible. Eddie.
Nowt eck could do about that as it was westminister that put it im
scotstrucker:
erfguy:
Well if the so great First Minister had been ocht worth his salt he and his government would have done something about the bedroom tax for a man in his position it should have been possible. Eddie.Nowt eck could do about that as it was westminister that put it im
I think I’ll go on to Jameson’s
This ‘Bedroom Tax’ thing is a red herring.
Saviem sums it up in a nutshell.
If you are in need of housing and rely on the rest of the community to finance it for you you cannot expect them to finance more than you need. What part of that do you not get?
Whingeing Scots demanding handouts are really getting our goat down south!
Once you’ve wrecked your economy, lost your shipbuilding industry, cleverly kicked out the Royal Navy establishment, forced the financial service industry to move south, penalised all companies who spoke up for a no vote, nationalised BP!!!, (SNP aim!), don’t be surprised at your tax rises to finance your pensions and your NHS. A bonus will be the extra charges on your mortgages and bank loans caused by international lack of confidence.
And please enjoy showing your passports at the border and needing permits to work in the UK. (There won’t be much work available in your own country!)
Jazzandy:
This ‘Bedroom Tax’ thing is a red herring.Saviem sums it up in a nutshell.
If you are in need of housing and rely on the rest of the community to finance it for you you cannot expect them to finance more than you need. What part of that do you not get?
Whingeing Scots demanding handouts are really getting our goat down south!
Once you’ve wrecked your economy, lost your shipbuilding industry, cleverly kicked out the Royal Navy establishment, forced the financial service industry to move south, penalised all companies who spoke up for a no vote, nationalised BP!!!, (SNP aim!), don’t be surprised at your tax rises to finance your pensions and your NHS. A bonus will be the extra charges on your mortgages and bank loans caused by international lack of confidence.
And please enjoy showing your passports at the border and needing permits to work in the UK. (There won’t be much work available in your own country!)
100%
“Saviem” summed matters up perfectly,as per usual, and he touched on the “Poll tax” that Maggie was forced to ditch,well maybe not “forced” it was more like not sticking to her guns because if there was one piece of legislation that was fair it was the “poll tax” and IMHO this should be brought back together with a law similar to the one they have in Australia whereby everyone by law has to vote (even if they just write “■■■■ you” on their ballot paper!)I realise that this may throw up some peculiar results but at least it will be truly democratic.I believe that after the Scottish referendum whichever way they vote there will have to major changes to the political landscape in these islands because the sleeping English Giant has just about had enough of the self serving political class and this Scottish debacle is the straw that finally broke the camels back.Watch this space I say !! Cheers Bewick.
ERF MAN:
Jazzandy:
This ‘Bedroom Tax’ thing is a red herring.Saviem sums it up in a nutshell.
If you are in need of housing and rely on the rest of the community to finance it for you you cannot expect them to finance more than you need. What part of that do you not get?
Whingeing Scots demanding handouts are really getting our goat down south!
Once you’ve wrecked your economy, lost your shipbuilding industry, cleverly kicked out the Royal Navy establishment, forced the financial service industry to move south, penalised all companies who spoke up for a no vote, nationalised BP!!!, (SNP aim!), don’t be surprised at your tax rises to finance your pensions and your NHS. A bonus will be the extra charges on your mortgages and bank loans caused by international lack of confidence.
And please enjoy showing your passports at the border and needing permits to work in the UK. (There won’t be much work available in your own country!)
100%
100 % Plus IMO, Regards Larry.
Jazzandy:
This ‘Bedroom Tax’ thing is a red herring.Saviem sums it up in a nutshell.
If you are in need of housing and rely on the rest of the community to finance it for you you cannot expect them to finance more than you need. What part of that do you not get?
Whingeing Scots demanding handouts are really getting our goat down south!
Once you’ve wrecked your economy, lost your shipbuilding industry, cleverly kicked out the Royal Navy establishment, forced the financial service industry to move south, penalised all companies who spoke up for a no vote, nationalised BP!!!, (SNP aim!), don’t be surprised at your tax rises to finance your pensions and your NHS. A bonus will be the extra charges on your mortgages and bank loans caused by international lack of confidence.
And please enjoy showing your passports at the border and needing permits to work in the UK. (There won’t be much work available in your own country!)
Yet more what is effectively the threat of economic sanctions to keep the Union alive. 
Every house with a mortgage on it is being financed by the rest of the community one way or another and certainly in the case of negative interest rates being paid to savers to keep the private housing sector afloat.Each according to their needs being the mark of the Communist system.When taken to its logical conclusion your idea just means that employers reduce wages and the government increases taxation relative to incomes to the point where they decide what housing anyone ‘needs’.The result obviously helping immigrants with large families move in as the indigenous population are kicked out of their houses wether they own them or not.In typical Communist style making sure that the chosen few at the top of the zb pile are exempt by way of tax breaks which take less from those with the most while taking the most from those with the least.
Bewick:
“Saviem” summed matters up perfectly,as per usual, and he touched on the “Poll tax” that Maggie was forced to ditch,well maybe not “forced” it was more like not sticking to her guns because if there was one piece of legislation that was fair it was the “poll tax” and IMHO this should be brought back together with a law similar to the one they have in Australia whereby everyone by law has to vote (even if they just write “[zb] you” on their ballot paper!)I realise that this may throw up some peculiar results but at least it will be truly democratic.I believe that after the Scottish referendum whichever way they vote there will have to major changes to the political landscape in these islands because the sleeping English Giant has just about had enough of the self serving political class and this Scottish debacle is the straw that finally broke the camels back.Watch this space I say !! Cheers Bewick.
Like UKIP you obviously don’t mind being English when it suits you and Unionist when it doesn’t.The fact is if this is really England then Scotland is obviously Scotland.
The fact is like most of Maggie’s ideas the poll tax was all about reducing the tax burden on the wealthiest households while increasing it on the least wealthy ones.
Oh Dear he is back with his crap, I wonder why he dosnt move to Scotland & give them his YES vote , Regards Larry.
Carryfast:
Bewick:
“Saviem” summed matters up perfectly,as per usual, and he touched on the “Poll tax” that Maggie was forced to ditch,well maybe not “forced” it was more like not sticking to her guns because if there was one piece of legislation that was fair it was the “poll tax” and IMHO this should be brought back together with a law similar to the one they have in Australia whereby everyone by law has to vote (even if they just write “[zb] you” on their ballot paper!)I realise that this may throw up some peculiar results but at least it will be truly democratic.I believe that after the Scottish referendum whichever way they vote there will have to major changes to the political landscape in these islands because the sleeping English Giant has just about had enough of the self serving political class and this Scottish debacle is the straw that finally broke the camels back.Watch this space I say !! Cheers Bewick.Like UKIP you obviously don’t mind being English when it suits you and Unionist when it doesn’t.The fact is if this is really England then Scotland is obviously Scotland.
The fact is like most of Maggie’s ideas the poll tax was all about reducing the tax burden on the wealthiest households while increasing on the least wealthy ones.
As per usual “CF” you are talking bollox,and I am English first and British second and never claimed to have been anything else,I suppose I’ll now have to add a caveat and write the word “Northern” in fron’t of “English”,well at least it will set me apart from you mongrels in the South East,especially from the inbreds around Leatherhead eh! 
Bewick