alexsaville:
“Nationalist propaganda by a snakeoil salesman”. An appalling comment on the UK’s most successful politician!
I do not support the SNP but I cant let your remark pass by, Gingerfold.
Salmond brought his party from obscurity to the most successful political party in Scotland, a country politically (After WW2) dominated by Labour.
In 2007 he won a majority of only one seat at Holyrood, shocking Labour to the core.
In 2011 he won a majority of over 60!
He managed to gain the support of people of all political shades in order to get that large majority.
Are you suggesting the voters who gave his party such a large majority are all stupid? That is insulting!
The “No good reason” you mention is that there is a large groundswell of opinion in Scotland that would like their country to be independent.
Whether that will happen we wont know until next week.
The reason Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are here today is that they have suddenly found out we might vote for independence. None of the three of them are of any consequence up here. They don’t count!
Perhaps you should look at Scottish newspapers online, you’ll find out we get different views up here from your southern paper’s.
Have a look at the cartoon in todays (Glasgow) ‘Herald’, Cameron, Clegg and Milliband crossing the border. Two of them are wearing castoffs from the recent Commonwealth Games, the third a traffic cone from Wellingtons statue in Glasgow.
Says it all really.
The problem you have in England is you don’t have a politician of Salmonds calibre anywhere. You do, however, have no shortage of, to use your words, plenty of snake oil salesmen!
Three of them are here today!
Alex
Amazing what he (Salmon) has acheived, the SNP were the only “British” political party to oppose Blair when he was in office.
Yes, I agree with you Alex, snakeoil salesmen the lot of them, Salmond included, because they are politicians, that is what they do. They can’t lie straight in bed, none of them.
Slab Murphy:
This referendum is going to turn out nasty, if the Scottish vote yes I can see tanks on the streets. Why oh why has Scotland created a centralised & armed police force.
Which ever way the voting goes 50% of Scotland will be angry.
‘If’ the figures,saying that it’s only around 50/50 in favour/against indepedence,are true then how is it that the SNP have such a large majority in the Scottish government.IE the SNP vote wouldn’t suddenly turn against the nationalist cause so how would such a discrepancy be explained.
Alec Saville has been brainwashed if he thinks Salmond is the greatest politician Cmon son it took 5 yrs to get the truth from him about his expenses on an American trip. He lives in DENIAL and so must his supporters . Eddie.
Eddie
Banter is one thing but please don’t be as ill mannered to suggest someone with a different point of view from you is “Brainwashed”.
Extremely bad manners!
I never said Salmond was the “Greatest” at any time.
I said he was the most successful politician in Britain. He isn’t jumping to Westminster’s tune, they’re jumping to his!
You have, on page 2 of this topic, referred to the SNP as “The Scottish Nutter’s Party”, perhaps you would be kind enough to tell everyone on this topic why the “Nutters Party” managed to get such a large majority in 2011 after the Holyrood Election?
Or are all the people who voted for the SNP ‘Nutters’ too? If you think that, it doesn’t seem that you have a high opinion for the majority of those who vote in Scotland.
You go on about his expenses, fair enough, that’s for him to explain.
Can you explain, though, your comments on page two, in the same sentence about Salmond, about the Bedroom Tax when that has nothing to do with Holyrood, Salmond or the SNP and was imposed on Scotland by the Westminster Government?
I await your response to the above queries with interest.
Alex
Well if the so great First Minister had been ocht worth his salt he and his government would have done something about the bedroom tax for a man in his position it should have been possible. Eddie.
Hold on a second-I’m a Scot also and I disagree vehemently with what the SNP are doing. They’re leading the country into an ultra socialist state which simply will not work and saddling all of us with massive expense to fulfil their promise of Nirvana north of the border.
Slab Murphy:
Scotsmen must not fall out amongst themselves if they do all anarchy will break out.
Evening all,
Well I am English, and I have friends and relations who are Scottish, Welsh, Irish, and English. So I suppose Im from an “immigrant” background…and proud of it!
Now if such a referendum had been offered to us English…of course we would have said YES, Independence…rid us of those left wing Scotts, and Welsh who have disrupted our lives so much…sod em!!!1
So Scotland goes away…who cares?
The European "super state rejoices…at last we have broken the UK!!!
A "left wing Scotland emerges…come their next election Salmond loses out…Labour is in…the "auld alliance…France Scotland is again…(but in truth , two lame dog socialist economies leaning on Brussells for support)…
The "productive " Scotts fock South, (and we welcome them)… or they go somewhere else n the world…our loss!
Then our celtic cousins in Wales wish to go…and providing they take those no hopers at the DVLA …good riddance…(and Ive lots of Welsh in me)!!!
Sad old outcome…product of the socialist philosophy…give me…Im entitled to it…I want…, (why should they have)…
Bugger off…no hopers…
Socialism equals lack of standards…moral, personal, and total non accountability…
If that is what Scotland s people want…then go and have it!!
Slab Murphy:
Scotsmen must not fall out amongst themselves if they do all anarchy will break out.
Evening all,
Well I am English, and I have friends and relations who are Scottish, Welsh, Irish, and English. So I suppose Im from an “immigrant” background…and proud of it!
Now if such a referendum had been offered to us English…of course we would have said YES, Independence…rid us of those left wing Scotts, and Welsh who have disrupted our lives so much…sod em!!!1
So Scotland goes away…who cares?
The European "super state rejoices…at last we have broken the UK!!!
A "left wing Scotland emerges…come their next election Salmond loses out…Labour is in…the "auld alliance…France Scotland is again…(but in truth , two lame dog socialist economies leaning on Brussells for support)…
The "productive " Scotts fock South, (and we welcome them)… or they go somewhere else n the world…our loss!
Then our celtic cousins in Wales wish to go…and providing they take those no hopers at the DVLA …good riddance…(and Ive lots of Welsh in me)!!!
Sad old outcome…product of the socialist philosophy…give me…Im entitled to it…I want…, (why should they have)…
Bugger off…no hopers…
Socialism equals lack of standards…moral, personal, and total non accountability…
If that is what Scotland s people want…then go and have it!!
Socialism is the misguided politics of envy and/or desperation born out of the legitimate aims of the working classes to maintain and improve living standards,in the face of greed driven government economic policy that’s all about providing a cheap labour supply for employers.Which at best is just a mistaken cure for the symptoms,of the problems of low wage employment and/or unemployment,not the cause.
Nationalism is something else.It’s just that in this case the nationalist cause seems to have misguidedly allowed itself to get sidetracked by the already misguided socialist cause.That doesn’t make the nationalist argument any less valid or remove the ability to put that nationalist cause back on track after the referendum regarding independence.In this case that translates as use Salmond as a means to an end in getting independence then ditch him and his socialist ideology in favour of something better than what would be available by staying with the failed undemocratic Unionist/Federalist system.After that we can do the same because at that point the Scots will have done most of the job in getting rid of that failed system for us.
Carryfast, your synopsis is quite wordy but I get the gist of what you’re attempting to say, and you know what, I agree with much of what you say. Well done. We nearly agree on something at last.
a quote from a friend , a highland scot , " i’ve no time for wee mooth and troosers " . this friend is a businessman who is not at all pleased with the prospect of independence . in his opinion salmond"s scotland ends south of inverness .
gingerfold:
Carryfast, your synopsis is quite wordy but I get the gist of what you’re attempting to say, and you know what, I agree with much of what you say. Well done. We nearly agree on something at last.
Saviem, nicely put, considered and thoughtful.
If the NO brigade could persuade “CF” to join the YES campaign the NO’s would ■■■■ it by a mile !! Bewick.
Bewick:
If the NO brigade could persuade “CF” to join the YES campaign the NO’s would ■■■■ it by a mile !! Bewick.
I think you’ve missed countless posts which show that I do support the yes campaign.Which isn’t surprising having nationalist sympathies not federalist unionist ones.
However I’d say that the idea of a socialist,federalist ‘nationalist’ like Salmond or an anti federalist unionist like Farage won’t need any help from me to zb their causes up in either case.Because that glaring contradiction is probably more than enough to do it.
Eddie
Did you ask your MP, David Mundell, the lone Tory MP in Scotland, about the Bedroom Tax? What did he do about it?
Nothing, of course!
Salmond, on the other hand, is doing something!
Salmond has called a Referendum that is asking those in Scotland to make sure we don’t ever get any more bad laws from Westminster and urging those in Scotland to make their own decisions here at Holyrood!
You don’t seem to be able to grasp that Salmond, or indeed, any non Tory Scottish politician, can do anything about a law made by the Tories and Lib-Dems in London!
Hence the demise of the Tories here.
We had the hated Poll Tax a full year before the rest of this so-called United Kingdom, or have you forgotten? We had riots in the streets over that!
So what did all the Scottish MP’s who were at Westminster do about that? NOTHING!
Are the English people on here aware we don’t have privatised Water Companies here? Or that we don’t have water meters in our homes?
When I turn on the tap, it is soft water all the way from Loch Katrine that flows out. As much as I want! No extra cost!
Are you aware our Law is different?
Our Education System?
Our Church (the Kirk)?
In Scottish waters, it is Marine Scotland that has three patrol boats to enforce fisheries law. We’ve had that since 1882. You have the Royal Navy.
So we’re not as much the same as perhaps you think we are.
Are you also aware that the Referendum Campaign is a cross party one?
It’s not about Salmond, the SNP, the Greens, the Independent MSP’s who don’t represent any political party, or those in the Labour Party who are supporting the ‘YES’ Campaign.
The Referendum is about Scotland, nothing more and nothing less.
A week today the people of my country will decide whether it’s Yes or No. Let the people speak, one way or the other.
Alex
alexsaville:
Are the English people on here aware we don’t have privatised Water Companies here? Or that we don’t have water meters in our homes?
When I turn on the tap, it is soft water all the way from Loch Katrine that flows out. As much as I want! No extra cost!
Are you aware our Law is different?
Our Education System?
Our Church (the Kirk)?
In Scottish waters, it is Marine Scotland that has three patrol boats to enforce fisheries law. We’ve had that since 1882. You have the Royal Navy.
So we’re not as much the same as perhaps you think we are.
Are you also aware that the Referendum Campaign is a cross party one?
It’s not about Salmond, the SNP, the Greens, the Independent MSP’s who don’t represent any political party, or those in the Labour Party who are supporting the ‘YES’ Campaign.
The Referendum is about Scotland, nothing more and nothing less.
Correction Alec, Mundell isny my MP I have never and never will vote Tory. Labour voter all my days and don’t see any reason to change things now and it is still a NO for me. Eddie.
Eddie
Sorry to have to tell you that Mundell IS your MP. You may not have voted for him but that’s who it is!
My MP is Willie Bain, Labour. I didn’t vote for him either but I’m stuck with him.
He’s done nothing for Springburn since he was elected, all he does is draw his salary and look down his nose at the people he grew up with.
Nobody’s going to miss him!
Hopefully after next Thursday, he, like Mundell, will be looking for a new job.
I don’t have a problem with you voting NO, that’s Democracy.
You’re as entitled to do that as I am to vote YES.
Alex
