Dan Punchard:
Vote Bewick
Vote for these two ladies.
no sure about the first one but the second one’s deid !!
GOG47:
no sure about the first one but the second one’s deid !!
Indeed she has in April, thanks for pointing that out can’t remember it being in the news, so we can’t vote for her.
McWilliam:
Bewick:
I’m no fussed either way but I’ve become a wee bit alarmed to-day seeing on the news these slime ball politicians from the three “establishment” political parties offering all kinds of juicy incentives (bribes) for the Scots to vote NO.Well IMO they already get more than their fair share of handouts and these [zb] are offering more !! WHY ? If the Scots want independence I say let them have it,no need to [zb] about with a referendum because if they had one in England it would be an overwhelming " Goodbye and Good luck" Only trouble is that once it has all turned to [zb],guess whole cop for the blame,why Li’l 'ol England and we’ll be daft enough to bail them out same as we did with RBS and HBoS to the tune of £billions.Hears a good idea,lets have a double referendum in England which is to leave the EU and give the Scots their independence!!
Oh yes if there is a no vote, we went “devo max” & increased Westminister spending on Scotland.
It is the English regions who will get a raw deal from this.
Can I start another riot ? How’s about ■■■■■■■ having a referendum to become part of Scotland,well the northern part of ■■■■■■■ used to be part of Scotia years ago I believe.
McWilliam:
GOG47:
no sure about the first one but the second one’s deid !!Indeed she has in April, thanks for pointing that out can’t remember it being in the news, so we can’t vote for her.
Jesus man,it was all over the news,keep up!!!
GOG47:
McWilliam:
GOG47:
no sure about the first one but the second one’s deid !!Indeed she has in April, thanks for pointing that out can’t remember it being in the news, so we can’t vote for her.
Jesus man,it was all over the news,keep up!!!
Alas I mainly watch BBC News 24 these days, used to watch Border TV (which was more English then Scottish) many moons ago.
Bewick:
Can I start another riot ? How’s about ■■■■■■■ having a referendum to become part of Scotland,well the northern part of ■■■■■■■ used to be part of Scotia years ago I believe.
I’ve already sorted that pages ago when England is returned to it’s regions of Wessex and Mercia.Although we might hand you back over to the Danes if they are prepared to bid more for the place than the Scottish. 
The way the three mainstream party leaders have suddenly reacted to the strong possibility of a “YES” vote is reprehensible and shows why politicians are held in contempt by many of us. Their own jobs are now on the line so they form an unholy coalition to try and persuade the Scots to vote “NO”. The majority of the English regions, let alone the Scots and Welsh, feel disconnected and ignored by the London and Westminster elite. It is time for a political earthquake to get the message home to these idiots that we have had enough of the lot of 'em.
McWilliam:
Jazzandy:
Yes McWilliam but why? What do you perceive to be the benefits?Being free the Scottish people, can:-
- Develope a more balanced industrial base
- Have a fairer society where the rich do not become richer,
- Not get involved in wars like invading Iraq, or upsetting Russia
- Stop the concentration of power being based in London & South East England.
We Scottish should have the confidence to run our own country. Examine the record of the Westminster parliament. Hardly one of outstanding success is it?
Well I’ve heard it all now, I am now hoping it’s a yes just so I can say “I told you so”
Gingerfold. The jobs of half of Scotland are on the line.
I am shocked that the massive costs of what is being proposed don’t seem to come into the equation and what are all these Yes people hoping for? Scotland as it was 300 years ago? Violent inter-clan rivalry?
Cattle thieving on an industrial scale? There’s some romantic view still held that pre-union was some golden age. It wasn’t!
Why is there such an apparent antipathy towards Westminster? The comment was made that no matter how you vote you get a government you don’t want. How can that be any truer than the rest of us? You’ve had over a decade of a Labour government. Did you not want them? We live in a democracy. Sometimes the government will not be the one you vote for. that’s life.
‘You can always tell the difference between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine’ So said P.G. Wodehouse. The constant whingeing coming from north of the border blaming all your troubles on the English does you no favours.
As for decentralisation of industry. It’s already been tried - Hillman Imp - BMC tractors etc. You can’t force industry to arbitrarily set up in uneconomic environments. There is already good thriving Scottish industry but much of it will move south.
Jazzandy
Personally I don’t want to see a “YES” vote, I believe it would be a disaster for the United Kingdom. We in the North West of England feel isolated from Westminster, let alone the Scots. You mention the Labour Governments of recent years that have had huge support in Scotland for decades but have done nothing for their Scottish voters. I read two articles last night, one about the political implications of a split United Kingdom and whilst their was an element of scaremongering by the writer, the repercussions of separate Scotland and England / Wales / NI on the EU would be serious. Irrespective of what one thinks about our EU membership the fact of the matter is that currently we are a member and a “YES” vote would cause huge problems. The second article I read was about the economic and financial consequences of a break-up, and their could be a worldwide loss of confidence in the Pound and the financial viability of Scottish based companies. It could be catastrophic and plunge both Scotland and the rest of the UK back into recession. So it is not Scottish jobs that are at risk, but English ones as well. The rest of the world is looking on in shock at what might happen here. We have had a succesful union for 307 years but for no good reason other than nationalist propaganda peddled by a snakeoil salesman it could all be destroyed by Spring 2016 with serious consequences for every citizen of the current UK. These are seriously worrying times and Cameron et al have suddenly wakened up to that fact.
It is never going to happen,there will be some clause in the original paperwork drawn up all those years ago that prevents it without the u.k. government approval or that of the Queen. 
Don’t bank on that!!
For once Alex is right. Nobody in Westminster dreamed in their worst nightmares that the canny Scots would fall for his hot air, smoke and mirrors.
This is the most serious constitutional situation of my lifetime. It must be decided on the basis of realities and not some brainless appeal to a dream of Scotland that never existed.
Well I’ve just voted, so no more deliberating for me.
Jazzandy:
Don’t bank on that!!For once Alex is right. Nobody in Westminster dreamed in their worst nightmares that the canny Scots would fall for his hot air, smoke and mirrors.
This is the most serious constitutional situation of my lifetime. It must be decided on the basis of realities and not some brainless appeal to a dream of Scotland that never existed.
Why the big so called shock and surprise that the Scottish would want to run their own country when the SNP already have the majority mandate in Scotland.Get use to it its called democracy which is something that the ‘union’ obviously doesn’t deliver when we’ve got Scottish MP’s voting on English issues.
shirtbox2003:
It is never going to happen,there will be some clause in the original paperwork drawn up all those years ago that prevents it without the u.k. government approval or that of the Queen.
That wouldn’t be surprising.Which is why the Irish had to go to war to get the job done in their case.The reality is the ‘union’ is an ‘English’ institution based on the English nation itself being wiped out by invading regimes.It will probably take the English to realise that and get their own national identity back before the ‘union’ can finally be consigned to history where it belongs.
Out of interest Carryfast, what do you propose happens to Wales, you mention England and Ireland a lot but unless Ive missed it (which is possible) no mention of Wales.
Rich_T:
Out of interest Carryfast, what do you propose happens to Wales, you mention England and Ireland a lot but unless Ive missed it (which is possible) no mention of Wales.
Like Scotland it’s time to let the idea of ‘the union’ go.If Ireland could manage to run their own affairs then I’m sure that an independent Scotland and Wales could too.In all cases,under the union,all being proud seperate nations brought to their knees by forced dependence on England and in at least the case of Wales and Scotland that included the deliberate destruction of those nation’s industrial capacity to look after themselves.
“Nationalist propaganda by a snakeoil salesman”. An appalling comment on the UK’s most successful politician!
I do not support the SNP but I cant let your remark pass by, Gingerfold.
Salmond brought his party from obscurity to the most successful political party in Scotland, a country politically (After WW2) dominated by Labour.
In 2007 he won a majority of only one seat at Holyrood, shocking Labour to the core.
In 2011 he won a majority of over 60!
He managed to gain the support of people of all political shades in order to get that large majority.
Are you suggesting the voters who gave his party such a large majority are all stupid? That is insulting!
The “No good reason” you mention is that there is a large groundswell of opinion in Scotland that would like their country to be independent.
Whether that will happen we wont know until next week.
The reason Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are here today is that they have suddenly found out we might vote for independence. None of the three of them are of any consequence up here. They don’t count!
Perhaps you should look at Scottish newspapers online, you’ll find out we get different views up here from your southern paper’s.
Have a look at the cartoon in todays (Glasgow) ‘Herald’, Cameron, Clegg and Milliband crossing the border. Two of them are wearing castoffs from the recent Commonwealth Games, the third a traffic cone from Wellingtons statue in Glasgow.
Says it all really.
The problem you have in England is you don’t have a politician of Salmonds calibre anywhere. You do, however, have no shortage of, to use your words, plenty of snake oil salesmen!
Three of them are here today!
Alex
This referendum is going to turn out nasty, if the Scottish vote yes I can see tanks on the streets. Why oh why has Scotland created a centralised & armed police force.
Which ever way the voting goes 50% of Scotland will be angry.