Well bearing in mind its a SCOTTISH vote going by the BIG majority of ENGLISH posts on the subject oh and an IRISH one it appears you Englishmen are a hell of a lot more worried than wee are in Scotland about what will happen. Eddie.
Ps mines a NO vote.
Your right but I still can’t see it happening
erfguy:
Well bearing in mind its a SCOTTISH vote going by the BIG majority of ENGLISH posts on the subject oh and an IRISH one it appears you Englishmen are a hell of a lot more worried than wee are in Scotland about what will happen. Eddie.Ps mines a NO vote.
Aye & if I was a Scot I would be a no also,Regards Larry.
erfguy:
Well bearing in mind its a SCOTTISH vote going by the BIG majority of ENGLISH posts on the subject oh and an IRISH one it appears you Englishmen are a hell of a lot more worried than wee are in Scotland about what will happen. Eddie.Ps mines a NO vote.
Eddy, apart from the plonkers out to cause trouble, ie carryfast and his ilk, I think you will find that the majority of english posters on here DO NOT want Scotland to leave the Union.
This is nothing to do with oil, the pound, or any racial reason. The simple fact is many of us still recall the “British” as a whole have stood together when the rest of the world collapsed under the weight of the tyrants boot.
This can not be discounted. My own dad (RIP) had nothing but praise for the Scottish Regiments he served alongside in WW2, they literally save his life on several occasions.
I can’t forget this nor can many others, this is just one example of mutual cooperation, we need each other!! I know there’s been a lot of input from south of the border, but that can be partially attributed to the fact there are a lot more people live in England than there are in Scotland so it must be reflected on here.
By the way I am not a pure■■? bred Englishman, my family came here after the famine in Ireland, (God rot those bloody landlords.) Regards Kevmac47.
kevmac47:
erfguy:
Well bearing in mind its a SCOTTISH vote going by the BIG majority of ENGLISH posts on the subject oh and an IRISH one it appears you Englishmen are a hell of a lot more worried than wee are in Scotland about what will happen. Eddie.Ps mines a NO vote.
Eddy, apart from the plonkers out to cause trouble, ie carryfast and his ilk, I think you will find that the majority of english posters on here DO NOT want Scotland to leave the Union.
This is nothing to do with oil, the pound, or any racial reason. The simple fact is many of us still recall the “British” as a whole have stood together when the rest of the world collapsed under the weight of the tyrants boot.
This can not be discounted. My own dad (RIP) had nothing but praise for the Scottish Regiments he served alongside in WW2, they literally save his life on several occasions.
I can’t forget this nor can many others, this is just one example of mutual cooperation, we need each other!! I know there’s been a lot of input from south of the border, but that can be partially attributed to the fact there are a lot more people live in England than there are in Scotland so it must be reflected on here.
By the way I am not a pure■■? bred Englishman, my family came here after the famine in Ireland, (God rot those bloody landlords.) Regards Kevmac47.
Well said Kev.Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
kevmac47:
erfguy:
Well bearing in mind its a SCOTTISH vote going by the BIG majority of ENGLISH posts on the subject oh and an IRISH one it appears you Englishmen are a hell of a lot more worried than wee are in Scotland about what will happen. Eddie.Ps mines a NO vote.
Eddy, apart from the plonkers out to cause trouble, ie carryfast and his ilk, I think you will find that the majority of english posters on here DO NOT want Scotland to leave the Union.
This is nothing to do with oil, the pound, or any racial reason. The simple fact is many of us still recall the “British” as a whole have stood together when the rest of the world collapsed under the weight of the tyrants boot.
This can not be discounted. My own dad (RIP) had nothing but praise for the Scottish Regiments he served alongside in WW2, they literally save his life on several occasions.
I can’t forget this nor can many others, this is just one example of mutual cooperation, we need each other!! I know there’s been a lot of input from south of the border, but that can be partially attributed to the fact there are a lot more people live in England than there are in Scotland so it must be reflected on here.
By the way I am not a pure■■? bred Englishman, my family came here after the famine in Ireland, (God rot those bloody landlords.) Regards Kevmac47.Well said Kev.Regards Larry.
I don’t agree with you but that was well said
kevmac47:
erfguy:
Well bearing in mind its a SCOTTISH vote going by the BIG majority of ENGLISH posts on the subject oh and an IRISH one it appears you Englishmen are a hell of a lot more worried than wee are in Scotland about what will happen. Eddie.Ps mines a NO vote.
Eddy, apart from the plonkers out to cause trouble, ie carryfast and his ilk, I think you will find that the majority of english posters on here DO NOT want Scotland to leave the Union.
This is nothing to do with oil, the pound, or any racial reason. The simple fact is many of us still recall the “British” as a whole have stood together when the rest of the world collapsed under the weight of the tyrants boot.
This can not be discounted. My own dad (RIP) had nothing but praise for the Scottish Regiments he served alongside in WW2, they literally save his life on several occasions.
I can’t forget this nor can many others, this is just one example of mutual cooperation, we need each other!! I know there’s been a lot of input from south of the border, but that can be partially attributed to the fact there are a lot more people live in England than there are in Scotland so it must be reflected on here.
By the way I am not a pure■■? bred Englishman, my family came here after the famine in Ireland, (God rot those bloody landlords.) Regards Kevmac47.
My own late Dad served alongside American,New Zealand,and South African forces amongst others in WW2.So where’s the logic in suggesting that there’s any connection between such alliances being supposedly conditional on removal of the nation status of the different countries which they all fought under. 
As for the majority of what the English want.Maybe it’s time to give us the vote on wether we’d like to leave the ‘Union’ and get our own government back instead of being ruled by those we have no electoral control over from other parts of the country.Meanwhile as I’ve said the 'union itself having it’s origins in and being nothing more than an institution forced on all sides by alien outside forces anyway.
Who taught you English Carryfast? They should be indicted for a crime against humanity.
The purpose of the language is to communicate. You use it to obfuscate. The danger is that your arguments appear to be quite cogent and logical until you analyse them and discover that you constantly twist the arguments and come up with absurd conclusions. For you 2 and 2 will always make 5!
My view on this debate is that most of this country would like to be independent of London !
London is a mini country within Britain that ■■■■■ up so much of our national taxes.
All the big spending goes to London, pro rata. All the big venues go there, all the big museums and shows - which means I would have a 500+ mile return trip to see anything - and the cost involved!
What happens in London doesn’t happen in the rest of the country, so I’m not surprised that Scotland wants to go independent, and I’m sure the whole of Yorkshire would like to as well!
Well said kevmac47 and especially well said Jazzandy
Let’s clarify; I have no wish to see the Union break up (and I do not believe that that will be the result that the Scottish people vote for) but as non-Scots residents in England there is nothing whatever the majority of us can do to influence the result.
My question is then why have we occupied 11 pages on a transport forum simply to give carryfast and his mates yet another platform for his nonsense. The V8 thread was more than enough, thanks all the same.
And anyway I like tatties and neeps 
David
Can anyone really see independence happening,it will mean a change in legislation etc that no parliament will sanction,it is not a vote for independence as such but a vote to see if the scots want independence,getting it is a different matter.They do a lot better than most out of current legislation and would be fools to want anything other.Why do we English not get a vote,as it concerns us just as much? If its working don,t change it. 
shirtbox2003:
Can anyone really see independence happening,it will mean a change in legislation etc that no parliament will sanction,it is not a vote for independence as such but a vote to see if the scots want independence,getting it is a different matter.They do a lot better than most out of current legislation and would be fools to want anything other.Why do we English not get a vote,as it concerns us just as much? If its working don,t change it.
Care to elaborate? According to the TV, newspapers, my ballot paper etc, a vote for independence is exactly what it is.
Jazzandy:
Who taught you English Carryfast? They should be indicted for a crime against humanity.The purpose of the language is to communicate. You use it to obfuscate. The danger is that your arguments appear to be quite cogent and logical until you analyse them and discover that you constantly twist the arguments and come up with absurd conclusions. For you 2 and 2 will always make 5!
No I simply don’t agree with unionism and support nationalism.In which case as usual the unionist/federalist side either resort to wanting the nationalist/anti federalist argument silenced and if that doesn’t work they usually resort to force as proven throughout history.In the case of the UK union that being all about a combination of outside alien forces in the case of the Norman invasion and the following Plantagenet and Hanovarian agendas and an English mindset that’s been distorted by years of reference to same.
Although having said that as I’ve said Athelstan did the Anglo Saxon method of government no favours in that regard.But what can you expect from a Mercian. 
RON234:
My view on this debate is that most of this country would like to be independent of London !
London is a mini country within Britain that ■■■■■ up so much of our national taxes.
All the big spending goes to London, pro rata. All the big venues go there, all the big museums and shows - which means I would have a 500+ mile return trip to see anything - and the cost involved!
What happens in London doesn’t happen in the rest of the country, so I’m not surprised that Scotland wants to go independent, and I’m sure the whole of Yorkshire would like to as well!
The truth is the South East actually bankrolls the rest of the country with net loss of our local tax revenue raised here to the rest of the country.
Carryfast:
RON234:
My view on this debate is that most of this country would like to be independent of London !
London is a mini country within Britain that ■■■■■ up so much of our national taxes.
All the big spending goes to London, pro rata. All the big venues go there, all the big museums and shows - which means I would have a 500+ mile return trip to see anything - and the cost involved!
What happens in London doesn’t happen in the rest of the country, so I’m not surprised that Scotland wants to go independent, and I’m sure the whole of Yorkshire would like to as well!The truth is the South East actually bankrolls the rest of the country with net loss of our local tax revenue raised here to the rest of the country.
Why do you just do one as the old saying goes, & Give everyone on here a rest, Words cant describe U, R.U.From another planet, Only U Has the bloody answer to that, That’s if U can understand the words, Eh Think about it Mr C, that’s if you have a brain that is, Regards Larry.
The truth is Carryfast that we are at the moment a cohesive country which works. There is a give and take and Scottish oil has been a huge contributor to the country.
Every capital city attracts a massive economical advantage for every country and that benefits everyone. People from all over the country work in the capital and many eventually, having made their ‘fortunes’ go back to their roots.
But can we keep this thread to the pros and cons of Scottish Independence please?
Jazzandy:
The truth is Carryfast that we are at the moment a cohesive country which works. There is a give and take and Scottish oil has been a huge contributor to the country.Every capital city attracts a massive economical advantage for every country and that benefits everyone. People from all over the country work in the capital and many eventually, having made their ‘fortunes’ go back to their roots.
But can we keep this thread to the pros and cons of Scottish Independence please?
The idea that North Sea oil can/has made the slightest difference to the economies of England or Scotland when it’s actually just been a millstone in regards to import trade deficits,inflation and taxation.Which isn’t surprising in any type of regime that sees it as just something to produce money from taxes and exports of and not to just use to fuel the domestic economy exclusively by using it all at home.
Or the case for English independence based on the fact that Britain can work with it’s seperate nation states being reinstated,is all part of the argument of the pros and cons of Scottish Independence.IE support for Scottish independence is effectively exactly the same thing as support for English independence because either or means both anyway.Although it seems obvious that any support for the nationalist side of the argument isn’t welcome by the unionist one.Which is nothing new or surprising to me.
Carryfast:
The idea that North Sea oil can/has made the slightest difference to the economies of England or Scotland when it’s actually just been a millstone in regards to import trade deficits,inflation and taxation.Which isn’t surprising in any type of regime that sees it as just something to produce money from taxes and exports of and not to just use to fuel the domestic economy exclusively by using it all at home.Or the case for English independence based on the fact that Britain can work with it’s seperate nation states being reinstated,is all part of the argument of the pros and cons of Scottish Independence.IE support for Scottish independence is effectively exactly the same thing as support for English independence because either or means both anyway.Although it seems obvious that any support for the nationalist side of the argument isn’t welcome by the unionist one.Which is nothing new or surprising to me.
You truly are bonkers and seem to have trouble understanding what England is, the gist of you posts seems to suggest that you’re under the impression that Wales, Scotland and NI are part of England. Calling for a return to England being broken up as well is beyond comprehension, it must be a thousand years or more since Wessex, Mercia etc were seperate. What next, a return to witch burning and the like?
It’s meant to be a thread about Scottish independence but seems to have become a thread about your pesonal agenda (what ever the hell that may be). Maybe you just like to go against the grain, I seem to remember you condoning child abusers on the Jimmy Saville thread too, just to provoke a reaction.
You seem to have all the answers, so surely you should have achieved greter things than to be a lorry driver who still lives with his mum…
Rich_T:
Carryfast:
The idea that North Sea oil can/has made the slightest difference to the economies of England or Scotland when it’s actually just been a millstone in regards to import trade deficits,inflation and taxation.Which isn’t surprising in any type of regime that sees it as just something to produce money from taxes and exports of and not to just use to fuel the domestic economy exclusively by using it all at home.Or the case for English independence based on the fact that Britain can work with it’s seperate nation states being reinstated,is all part of the argument of the pros and cons of Scottish Independence.IE support for Scottish independence is effectively exactly the same thing as support for English independence because either or means both anyway.Although it seems obvious that any support for the nationalist side of the argument isn’t welcome by the unionist one.Which is nothing new or surprising to me.
You truly are bonkers and seem to have trouble understanding what England is, the gist of you posts seems to suggest that you’re under the impression that Wales, Scotland and NI are part of England. Calling for a return to England being broken up as well is beyond comprehension, it must be a thousand years or more since Wessex, Mercia etc were seperate. What next, a return to witch burning and the like?
It’s meant to be a thread about Scottish independence but seems to have become a thread about your pesonal agenda (what ever the hell that may be). Maybe you just like to go against the grain, I seem to remember you condoning child abusers on the Jimmy Saville thread too, just to provoke a reaction.
You seem to have all the answers, so surely you should have achieved greter things than to be a lorry driver who still lives with his mum…
Hi “Rich T” if I remember correctly carryfast did not like Maggie Thatcher either and passed numerous negative comments on her passing RIP Maggie, bet she could have sorted this sad soul out who appears pretty self opinionated on most subjects and always goes against the grain its the nature of the beast, Buzzer.
Rich_T:
Carryfast:
The idea that North Sea oil can/has made the slightest difference to the economies of England or Scotland when it’s actually just been a millstone in regards to import trade deficits,inflation and taxation.Which isn’t surprising in any type of regime that sees it as just something to produce money from taxes and exports of and not to just use to fuel the domestic economy exclusively by using it all at home.Or the case for English independence based on the fact that Britain can work with it’s seperate nation states being reinstated,is all part of the argument of the pros and cons of Scottish Independence.IE support for Scottish independence is effectively exactly the same thing as support for English independence because either or means both anyway.Although it seems obvious that any support for the nationalist side of the argument isn’t welcome by the unionist one.Which is nothing new or surprising to me.
You truly are bonkers and seem to have trouble understanding what England is, the gist of you posts seems to suggest that you’re under the impression that Wales, Scotland and NI are part of England. Calling for a return to England being broken up as well is beyond comprehension, it must be a thousand years or more since Wessex, Mercia etc were seperate. What next, a return to witch burning and the like?
It’s meant to be a thread about Scottish independence but seems to have become a thread about your pesonal agenda (what ever the hell that may be). Maybe you just like to go against the grain, I seem to remember you condoning child abusers on the Jimmy Saville thread too, just to provoke a reaction.
You seem to have all the answers, so surely you should have achieved greter things than to be a lorry driver who still lives with his mum…
It’s a topic about Scottish independence in which any support for the nationalist side of the arguments obviously won’t be tolerated by the unionist one.Yes I agree with the idea of the break up of the UK union and a return to regional government for England so get over it.As for attacking witches I think there were more examples of that after the Anglo Saxon England had been wiped out by the French invasion than before.
As for the Saville topic no there is no law which says that someone of over 18 can’t marry someone under 18 which was the actual argument on the topic assuming you can read and comprehend English.So what the zb has any of that got to do with so called ‘condoning child abusers’.
You sound to me like one of the typically ignorant arrogant tossers who represent the worst aspects of the unionist cause and confirms to me why it is so important to get rid of such an outdated divisive ideology which unfortunately forms such a large part of our history.