Jazzandy:
Well a lot of bad tempered hot air last night caused in the main by Alec Salmond’s bullying rabble rousing tactics and it worked for him. Certainly his rabble in the hall made themselves heard!
He came across to me as a pig. Still no answers to the crucial currency question. If you have the pound your fiscal policy will be dictated by Westminster. If it’s the Euro then it will be Brussels.
Do you really want to be governed by someone like this? The whole ethos is spend spend spend. No mention of his governments record in crucifying Fergusons for example by buying nationalised ferries abroad! No mention of wealth creation. All he wants is to destroy the status quo.
funny how all the oil running out stories are out but then bp release this
It’s equally ironic though that a global warming believing environmentalist socialist is all for burning as much oil as he can get out of the ground just so long as its for use in other countries.In exchange for a few bob to meet his socialist spending targets.
Independence Salmond style means more of the same bs that we’ve had since they found the stuff.That being pricing it beyond reach in the domestic economy on the grounds of ‘environmentalism’ in exchange for worthless cash that just stokes up inflation.
The fact is yes there’s still plenty of oil in the North Sea but no where near as much as there was.However it won’t make the slightest difference to the Scottish domestic economy just as it didn’t ours.That’s because it’s not actually owned by the Scots or us.The rights to it have long since been given away to the multi national oil companies while our governments just see it as a licence to print money and/or import stuff we could be making for ourselves.While making us pay the same or more as anyone else for it.
The fact is yes Scotland should vote yes but don’t expect the oil to make the slightest difference.If Scotland wants independence to succeed it will have to do it the old fashioned way by working for it in the form of rebuilding its industries and chucking out Salmond and his bs socialist ideology from the start.
Buzzer:
Well I aint bothered which way this vote goes, but there are only five and a quarter million Scots so when you work out the percentage that are able to work and contribute to the coffers there aint too many of them once you remove the OAP’s and the cronically sick etc. This may be all very well if the old oil keeps coming but Mr Salmon is always quoting the top line money on this asset and disregards the out takes of the industry, silly move. Any one in business realizes things don’t always go to plan, right from when I started as an OD pulling other peoples trailers you scraped a living working all hours but if you had the misfortune to have a blow out bang went you profit for two weeks. This is only compounded when you run a company as I went on to do but then its your employee’s that make the errors but you still collect the tag.
Watched that debate last night from start to finish, and what I abhor is one speaker shouting out another, happened both ways last night, they never give straight answers to straight questions which is what the audience want. Government in this country is the same, my god if I got to be prime minister in five years I could sort out the UK in the first six months of office as I suspect a good few of you could also, you then got four and a half years to prove your worth to the disbelievers but no one with the balls to do this yet. All to late for me but its your grand children you have to think about what future for them in a multicultural society a proportion of which want to go to war. My god this place needs an all mighty shakeup but I fear its to late now, Buzzer
Jazzandy:
If that’s the best you can come up with there 's not much hope for the yes campaign after all!
Is your comments the best you can come up with slagging People off calling them Bullies and Pigs, People you dont know anything about and probably never met, this thread is for sensible comments not a lot of antagonistic comments.
Buzzer:
Well I aint bothered which way this vote goes, but there are only five and a quarter million Scots so when you work out the percentage that are able to work and contribute to the coffers there aint too many of them once you remove the OAP’s and the cronically sick etc. This may be all very well if the old oil keeps coming but Mr Salmon is always quoting the top line money on this asset and disregards the out takes of the industry
So there’s around 12 times less overall population to keep.All Scotland needs in that case is a wealth creating sector of just a 1/6th of the UK’s and Scotland will be 100% ahead.Bearing in mind Scotlands previous share of the UK’s industrial and coal reserves/output with the workers it had/has.The oil in that case is just an irrelevant bonus.Having said that a ‘real’ nationalist government would make sure that the oil companies are given the choice that the stuff is only kept for domestic use sold at below world market prices not for export or it stays where it is in the ground.As I said use Salmond as a means to an end in first dumping the Union then kick him out and put someone who knows what they are doing in his place.
Buzzer:
Well I aint bothered which way this vote goes, but there are only five and a quarter million Scots so when you work out the percentage that are able to work and contribute to the coffers there aint too many of them once you remove the OAP’s and the cronically sick etc. This may be all very well if the old oil keeps coming but Mr Salmon is always quoting the top line money on this asset and disregards the out takes of the industry
So there’s around 12 times less overall population to keep.All Scotland needs in that case is a wealth creating sector of just a 1/6th of the UK’s and Scotland will be 100% ahead.Bearing in mind Scotlands previous share of the UK’s industrial and coal reserves/output with the workers it had/has.The oil in that case is just an irrelevant bonus.Having said that a ‘real’ nationalist government would make sure that the oil companies are given the choice that the stuff is only kept for domestic use sold at below world market prices not for export or it stays where it is in the ground.As I said use Salmond as a means to an end in first dumping the Union then kick him out and put someone who knows what they are doing in his place.
Do I detect this may be a “pitch” for the top job in an independant Scotland by ““the Great Man” from Leatherhead ■■ Based on what I saw last night"CF” they could do a lot worse than overlook you mate !! Cheers Bewick.
When Blair, Brown and their Scottish friends were running Westminster for all those years just what did they do for Scotland ? You’d have thought, once they had control, they’d have had a field day looking after Scotland. Or did reality hit them smack betwean the eyes. Even with the deck stacked in their favour those north of the border still complained that Westminster did nothing for them.The only crumb Blair has tossed their way was Holyrood and what a financial black hole that’s turned out to be. As for Salmond he’s your typical football fan, who from the saftey of terrace, believes if only they would make HIM manager the team would be a world beater.
Sorry if I upset one or two people with my impressions of Alec at the great debate but that was the way I saw him. Bully and barrack room lawyer. Darling didn’t cover himself with glory either. A very inept performance.
As P. G. Wodehouse famously remarked, ‘You can always tell the difference between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.’
By the way, it wasn’t Maggie who closed the shipyards. It was shockingly bad management, ludicrously outdated ‘Spanish practices’ by the unions and sheer bloody mindedness when the socialist government did their best to try to sort it out.
Bear in mind ‘Yes’ voters!
RBS and BOS have already indicated they will move their HQ’s south of the border.
The BAE shipyards will all close because the Royal Navy will build its ships in England in future.
No way can the SNP re-employ all those who will be out of work because of your Nuclear policy.
Oil revenue is great but you can only spend it once and no one is going to lend money to a country which has defaulted on its’ debt.
120 business leaders have signed a letter this morning warning against separation.
It’s great to have a heart and a heritage but without an economy there will be no money to finance the arts and social services.
Jazzandy:
By the way, it wasn’t Maggie who closed the shipyards. It was shockingly bad management, ludicrously outdated ‘Spanish practices’ by the unions and sheer bloody mindedness when the socialist government did their best to try to sort it out.
Bear in mind ‘Yes’ voters!
RBS and BOS have already indicated they will move their HQ’s south of the border.
The BAE shipyards will all close because the Royal Navy will build its ships in England in future.
No way can the SNP re-employ all those who will be out of work because of your Nuclear policy.
Oil revenue is great but you can only spend it once and no one is going to lend money to a country which has defaulted on its’ debt.
120 business leaders have signed a letter this morning warning against separation.
It’s great to have a heart and a heritage but without an economy there will be no money to finance the arts and social services.
Or to put it another way you’re saying that the Scottish aren’t good enough to look after themselves so the English will have to support them instead.So the scam of the ‘union’ is a bad deal for us too.
As for the closure of the shipyards that also applied to shipbuilding and most other types of heavy industry throughout the western developed world not just Scotland.The reason being that in the global free market economy it’s all about the race to the bottom in terms of wages.
carryfast why do you keep trying to wind people up with your posh ■■■■■ I personely want the Scottish people to stay united. they are fiersly proud people and iv alwaysgot on well with them but if they want to go its up to them il still support them same I would the irish north and south and the English get it in yourbloody head our enemies are hoping for the great divide ie Taliban isis terrorists and all the other ■■■■■■■ who want to destroy the country I love regards Rowland ward PS GOOD LUCK SCOTLAND WAT EVER YOU DO
rward:
carryfast why do you keep trying to wind people up with your posh [zb] I personely want the Scottish people to stay united. they are fiersly proud people and iv alwaysgot on well with them but if they want to go its up to them il still support them same I would the irish north and south and the English get it in yourbloody head our enemies are hoping for the great divide ie Taliban isis terrorists and all the other [zb] who want to destroy the country I love regards Rowland ward PS GOOD LUCK SCOTLAND WAT EVER YOU DO
Well said Rowley perhaps the Scots should replace Alex Salmon with Carryfast, then the perverbiall would hit the fan as what ever they said or did he would go the other way, every one on these threads knows the nature of the beast that is Carryfast he is the modern day Lord Haw Haw, cheers Buzzer.
rward:
carryfast why do you keep trying to wind people up with your posh [zb] I personely want the Scottish people to stay united. they are fiersly proud people and iv alwaysgot on well with them but if they want to go its up to them il still support them same I would the irish north and south and the English get it in yourbloody head our enemies are hoping for the great divide ie Taliban isis terrorists and all the other [zb] who want to destroy the country I love regards Rowland ward PS GOOD LUCK SCOTLAND WAT EVER YOU DO
The Islamic extremist threat has nothing to do with Scottish independence.That has more to do with ‘British’ immigration policy.Which is all part of the unionist agenda not a nationalist one or at least not a nationalist one that is worthy of the name.As for ‘proud’ in the case of around a 50/50 split between nationalism and unionism and with the unionist side seeming to be all about saying that they want the union so that the English continue to support them economically,is anything but proud.
You’re saying that you’d still get on with the Scottish if they get their independence back which obviously includes continuing an ‘alliance’.So what is your big problem in then contradicting yourself by saying you want the union to continue and having a go at me for supporting the nationalist cause.
rward:
carryfast why do you keep trying to wind people up with your posh [zb] I personely want the Scottish people to stay united. they are fiersly proud people and iv alwaysgot on well with them but if they want to go its up to them il still support them same I would the irish north and south and the English get it in yourbloody head our enemies are hoping for the great divide ie Taliban isis terrorists and all the other [zb] who want to destroy the country I love regards Rowland ward PS GOOD LUCK SCOTLAND WAT EVER YOU DO
Well said Rowley perhaps the Scots should replace Alex Salmon with Carryfast, then the perverbiall would hit the fan as what ever they said or did he would go the other way, every one on these threads knows the nature of the beast that is Carryfast he is the modern day Lord Haw Haw, cheers Buzzer.
I also hope that Scotland will stay with us.Of course they will survive if they become independent but they would be taking a huge risk and I really can’t see the point.
As part of the UK, Scots have a far greater say than they would have alone. Look at our succession of Scottish prime ministers and the number of Scots MP’s.
Scotland’s influence in the UK is disproportionate to its’ size and population and long may it remain so.
Jazzandy:
I also hope that Scotland will stay with us.Of course they will survive if they become independent but they would be taking a huge risk and I really can’t see the point.
As part of the UK, Scots have a far greater say than they would have alone. Look at our succession of Scottish prime ministers and the number of Scots MP’s.
Scotland’s influence in the UK is disproportionate to its’ size and population and long may it remain so.
Which seems to suggest that the case for holding the Union together is so that the English pay for the Scottish and the Scottish hold the balance of power over English policy.Which seems like payback in the case of anyone in England who supports the union and the way in which it came into being.
For anyone else if that isn’t a good reason for English independence and nationalism then nothing is.
I had to chuckle at this poster because immediately underneath it was IrishLorries’s signiture, ‘Keep her lit!’ - shades of Guy Fawkes! Robert 
