Winseer:
Why does ‘getting rid of Trident’ magically pay for all these spending plans?It would actually cost MORE money to get rid of nuclear weapons!
If we get rid of nuclear weapons it would actually make war with Russia for one more likely.Having said that the US seems to have lost its bottle in regard to the nuclear option anyway.Which is why it’s upsetting the Russians by trying to change the conventional balance of power across eastern Europe.
bazza123:
Winseer:
Why does ‘getting rid of Trident’ magically pay for all these spending plans?It would actually cost MORE money to get rid of nuclear weapons!
Not to mention losing all those jobs at Faslane. Also if they do get independence, no more Royal Navy ships built on the Clyde. Goodbye to those jobs too.
Or to put it another way using English money and trading English jobs for the Scottish union.So exactly what’s in this ‘union’ for us and where is the proof that the Scots couldn’t re direct and diversify their production resources to benefit their own economy.Remembering that unlike us they’ve only got 5 million people to support.
You english seem to care more about this than we do
nearly there:
You english seem to care more about this than we do
I was just thinking the same, they do seem very excitable
NewLad:
matamoros:
addcoxy:
Unpicking nearly 300 years of Union is going to be a messy ! Very messyAny one on here know the main reason for the act of union in the first place?
I don’t know where I heard it but basically Scotland was bankrupt.
We’re bankrupt - ie the whole of the UK.
The big difference is that as the UK, we have access to a good credit line, maintained not by how much we’ve got outstanding already - but by the large size of our economy overall.
Scotland on it’s own, with less than a tenth of the UK population - would have it’s credit line shifted to match - and that would make future borrowings by an independent Scotland harder to obtain and more expensive. Once again, Flooding the market with Oil, and scrapping Trident does not seem to have enough going for it to replace the huge new borrowing requirement - and that’s before one factors in any share of the UK national debt that might be added to Scotland on top! (For that part, I’m assuming Zero - The Scots defaulting that bit after being told they cannot print sterling!)
Do know where you get Scotland can’t print Stirling mr winseer? They can print whatever the ■■■■ they please and need no permission of anyone.
That’s the problem telling folk what they can and cannot do instead of showing us what we can achieve together it’s all scare mongering pish.
Business should not be making statements on what they will be doing depending on the outcome of a vote, yes make contingency plans but keep them private. It is ■■■■■■■ disgusting big business trying to motivate people one way or the other all because they are thinking about their profits. Put the price eh your gear up but I tell you one thing there will always be someone that will come along and cut your throat for custom.
If Scotland where to go independent I have no doubt in my mind it could be successful, they put more into the pot than is taken and have done for the last 30 years.
The big gamble is agreement of the pound without mutual agreement it would sink both countries back into depression more so Scotland. It would be years and years of financial pain.
Yes vote and there is a 18month countdown to make it work, they only card salmond can play is the 160billion pound that is estimated as our part of the national debt. Will Cameron sell the mutual use of the pound for 160billion that’s the gamble.
■■■■ the euro and ■■■■ inventing your own currency! We either use the pound without agreement (which would damage both economies (Scotland’s particular bad) or we get agreement there is no other option in my opinion.
Nothing else matters, business’s, banks can all be replaced. We’ve been running the NHS , police, councils , education for years. Our regiments are the best in the world need no help from a British army that is cutting back severely. Trident can be relocated good luck with that, ship building it’s all dying anyway thanks to the Koreans and Chinese.
This is a gamble that could involve some severe pain but it could be something quite special.
I’m still undecided but I warm to the yes vote day by day.
An important historical discussion point for you…
Those well versed in geography, will be aware that several countries that
were once part of Yugoslavia, now describe themselves as, for example
Macedonia, FYR - denoting: Former Yugoslav Republic.
So, If Scotland gains its independence after the forthcoming referendum,
the remainder of the United Kingdom will be known as the “Former United
Kingdom” ([zb]).
In a bid to discourage Scots from voting ‘yes’ in the referendum,
the Government have now begun to campaign with the slogan:
“Vote NO, for [zb] sake”
Entirely logical one feels, are we all OK with that?
merc0447:
Do know where you get Scotland can’t print Stirling mr winseer? They can print whatever the [zb] they please and need no permission of anyone.
Stirling, aka GBP, is the currency controlled by the Bank of England. “Stirling” printed by any other establishment without the mandate of the Bank of England is no different than monopoly money, its worthless as it doesn’t have the backing of the Bank of England.
Business should not be making statements on what they will be doing depending on the outcome of a vote
I keep hearing this from the Yes camp. Are you scared of voters knowing all the facts? Do you think it is right to only tell them half of the story and to not tell them about the downsides?
Nothing else matters, business’s, banks can all be replaced. We’ve been running the NHS , police, councils , education for years.
I think you’ll find business and banking matters massively and your view that they don’t matter a toss and can just magically be replaced is beyond stupid. Sure you’ve been running public sector services but using a currency which has a world standing, a currency you may or may not be using in 2 years time, and a budget which would be provided from Westminster regardless of whether Scotland as a country was running a budget deficit. You’re soon going to have to fund all of it yourself with money you borrow on your own without any back up whatsoever other than the IMF who’ve proven just how incompetent they are with Greece.
Ive not made up my mind yet but bare in mind this was a union set up in our blood.my thinking is the english need us,why else fight so much to keep us.my gripe with this yes thing is its not real independance is it.keep the everything but ■■■■ up to the eu.if its a toss up for the english or eu then i ill prob pick the english
Am not in the yes camp Conor, I’m in the camp that makes my own mind up and my own mind tells me that the royal bank of Scotland saying they will relocate to London is the ■■■■■■■ daftest statement I’ve ever heard in my life.
At least your asda and John Lewis give tangible reason but I still believe if you sell a pint of milk for a pound and the next day you sell a pint of milk for 1.20 because of a vote then you are lying to your consumer and sooner or later someone will come along and sell that pint of milk for a pound again.
Monopoly money or not they do not need permission to use it. That’s why am saying if no mutual agreement was to be had then it would mean years of financial pain.
we could use the fencing used for the NATO talks in Wales for starters 
you never know the illegals might leave England and head for bonny Scotland
Aye,fight and you may die ,run,and you’ll live…at least a while .And dying in your beds , many years from now, would you be will in’ to trade all of that from this day to that , for one chance , just one chance , to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take away our lives but they’ll never take our Freeeedooom.And I’m English
Rich_T:
nearly there:
You english seem to care more about this than we doI was just thinking the same, they do seem very excitable
It’s because most of us are getting nervous in case you lot bottle it & say no.
Bottle it lol your a funny runt
Conor:
merc0447:
Do know where you get Scotland can’t print Stirling mr winseer? They can print whatever the [zb] they please and need no permission of anyone.Stirling, aka GBP, is the currency controlled by the Bank of England. “Stirling” printed by any other establishment without the mandate of the Bank of England is no different than monopoly money, its worthless as it doesn’t have the backing of the Bank of England.
Business should not be making statements on what they will be doing depending on the outcome of a vote
I keep hearing this from the Yes camp. Are you scared of voters knowing all the facts? Do you think it is right to only tell them half of the story and to not tell them about the downsides?
Nothing else matters, business’s, banks can all be replaced. We’ve been running the NHS , police, councils , education for years.
I think you’ll find business and banking matters massively and your view that they don’t matter a toss and can just magically be replaced is beyond stupid. Sure you’ve been running public sector services but using a currency which has a world standing, a currency you may or may not be using in 2 years time, and a budget which would be provided from Westminster regardless of whether Scotland as a country was running a budget deficit. You’re soon going to have to fund all of it yourself with money you borrow on your own without any back up whatsoever other than the IMF who’ve proven just how incompetent they are with Greece.
Alistair Darling confirmed, when asked by Alex Salmond that yes Scotland could still use the pound, and there is nothing preventing them from doing so. He said it on a live televised debate.
There appears to be no issue around currency now.
What Alex Salmond wants is a currency union, a totally different thing. It means the Scottish currency, whatever it’s called, will be completely tied to the Bank of England, administered by the Bank of England and supported by the Bank of England. That is totally against the stated policy of the three main political parties at Westminster and also has been dismissed by the governor of the bank.
nearly there:
Bottle it lol your a funny runt
It’s you’re.
Mike-C:
Conor:
merc0447:
Do know where you get Scotland can’t print Stirling mr winseer? They can print whatever the [zb] they please and need no permission of anyone.Stirling, aka GBP, is the currency controlled by the Bank of England. “Stirling” printed by any other establishment without the mandate of the Bank of England is no different than monopoly money, its worthless as it doesn’t have the backing of the Bank of England.
Business should not be making statements on what they will be doing depending on the outcome of a vote
I keep hearing this from the Yes camp. Are you scared of voters knowing all the facts? Do you think it is right to only tell them half of the story and to not tell them about the downsides?
Nothing else matters, business’s, banks can all be replaced. We’ve been running the NHS , police, councils , education for years.
I think you’ll find business and banking matters massively and your view that they don’t matter a toss and can just magically be replaced is beyond stupid. Sure you’ve been running public sector services but using a currency which has a world standing, a currency you may or may not be using in 2 years time, and a budget which would be provided from Westminster regardless of whether Scotland as a country was running a budget deficit. You’re soon going to have to fund all of it yourself with money you borrow on your own without any back up whatsoever other than the IMF who’ve proven just how incompetent they are with Greece.
Alistair Darling confirmed, when asked by Alex Salmond that yes Scotland could still use the pound, and there is nothing preventing them from doing so. He said it on a live televised debate.
There appears to be no issue around currency now.
Last time I checked darling wasn’t in government, he can say what he wants as it means bugger all.
Mike-C:
Conor:
merc0447:
Do know where you get Scotland can’t print Stirling mr winseer? They can print whatever the [zb] they please and need no permission of anyone.Stirling, aka GBP, is the currency controlled by the Bank of England. “Stirling” printed by any other establishment without the mandate of the Bank of England is no different than monopoly money, its worthless as it doesn’t have the backing of the Bank of England.
Business should not be making statements on what they will be doing depending on the outcome of a vote
I keep hearing this from the Yes camp. Are you scared of voters knowing all the facts? Do you think it is right to only tell them half of the story and to not tell them about the downsides?
Nothing else matters, business’s, banks can all be replaced. We’ve been running the NHS , police, councils , education for years.
I think you’ll find business and banking matters massively and your view that they don’t matter a toss and can just magically be replaced is beyond stupid. Sure you’ve been running public sector services but using a currency which has a world standing, a currency you may or may not be using in 2 years time, and a budget which would be provided from Westminster regardless of whether Scotland as a country was running a budget deficit. You’re soon going to have to fund all of it yourself with money you borrow on your own without any back up whatsoever other than the IMF who’ve proven just how incompetent they are with Greece.
Alistair Darling confirmed, when asked by Alex Salmond that yes Scotland could still use the pound, and there is nothing preventing them from doing so. He said it on a live televised debate.
There appears to be no issue around currency now.
Anyone in the world can use sterling as a currency in the same way that many countries use the dollar, the problem in Scotlands case would be where do they obtain these pounds sterling and what do they pay for them with. The source of pounds sterling is the Bank Of England and presumably without a currency union they will not be distributing millions of pounds to Scotland’s banks free of charge.
SCOTLAND!!! Please vote YES!!! May put the rest of us on the road to an EU exit! 