Firstly considering that we’ve got negative interest rates propping up a failing stagnant low wage economy the fact that is obviously now being reflected in the value of the pound has nothing whatsoever to do with any Scottish independence vote.Although its obvious that the no campaign and the LibdemCon coalition would want to use that excuse to divert attention from the real problem,being the lack of spending power in an economy that’s been sold out to the cheap labour agenda.
As for Cameron a no vote can only strengthen his position v that of Farage’s.
desypete:
the vote is reported to be just 2% either way, so the yes vote is just 52% or the no vote could win with 52%
would all sides be happy with a result like this ? i mean you only need 51% to win but that leaves a lot of people who will feel cheated whatever the outcome
so what will happen when the result is in and one side or the other finds out they lost but by the smallest of margins ?
It’s actually 50% + 1 vote to win. There’s certainly interesting times ahead and I for one am quite glad I wont be in any major Scottish cities on Friday as a large number of people are expecting a major kick off, regardless of the result, no helped by some bright spark giving the pubs an all night licence
Carryfast:
‘… [the] federation of Ireland … [is] now being thrown away again to the point where the UK is again calling the shots regarding Irish policy based on the big business and EU agendas …’
‘…Thrown away…’ is a bit strong
The EU (and undemocratically thus our UK taxes) paid for the Republic of Ireland to be bullied by two lots of voting until Brussels achieved what Brussels dictated the Irish to ‘want’.
Which UK party manifestos support that kind of manipulation? The pro-EU and ultra-liberal conglomeration that represent one EU ambition, albeit they masquerade themselves as Lib/Lab/Green/Con’s, of course
McWilliam:
‘…either way England, N Ireland and Wales are in a no win situation regardless of the outcome…’
Of course: Our supposed ‘leaders’ are busy chopsing-off about any & everything worldwide when they’re paid to lead us hyper-liberalised but seemingly disenfranchised and discontent idiots
it will show us all that what the snp can do then ukip can do the same for england, well done to the snp for standing up over all these years were most thought they were just a small fringe party, well look at them now !!! who would of thought it ■■?
I also hope they vote yes, not that I have any reason either way other than how much I’d hate to see so much effort wasted - not to mention the wasted expense if it goes to a ‘No’ vote.
Whether they get the ‘Devo-max’ or not, it’ll still have been 1 hell of an expensive waste of time and money - and then we’d have the clean up after the ‘protests’ which will inevitably happen.
iguana:
What about cabotage for Scot or Eng based hauliers, that could be a headache.
would i need an international o licence to go scotland
Theoretically yes, Ive thought similar and did mention somewhere that although my vehicles are registered in Scotland, my operating centre is in England lol
desypete:
‘… what the snp can do then ukip can do the same for england … ukip next …’
Please don’t align these two parties.
The SNP is pro-EU and wants it’s babies, ultra-liberalism, inefficiencies and catastrophic migration policy, etc, etc
UKIP doesn’t
Given their chance, the the SNP through independence will not reclaim Scottish waters - thereby allowing supertrawlers from, eg., Spain to continue taking UK fish right up to the UK coastline thereby denying thousands of potential UK jobs in this now dormant industry.
All thanks both to the EU and successive pro-Brussels, SNP/Lib/Lab/Green/Con, soft-touch appeasers
Carryfast:
‘… [the] federation of Ireland … [is] now being thrown away again to the point where the UK is again calling the shots regarding Irish policy based on the big business and EU agendas …’
‘…Thrown away…’ is a bit strong
The EU (and undemocratically thus our UK taxes) paid for the Republic of Ireland to be bullied by two lots of voting until Brussels achieved what Brussels dictated the Irish to ‘want’.
Which UK party manifestos support that kind of manipulation? The pro-EU and ultra-liberal conglomeration that represent one EU ambition, albeit they masquerade themselves as Lib/Lab/Green/Con’s, of course
McWilliam:
‘…either way England, N Ireland and Wales are in a no win situation regardless of the outcome…’
Of course: Our supposed ‘leaders’ are busy chopsing-off about any & everything worldwide when they’re paid to lead us hyper-liberalised but seemingly disenfranchised and discontent idiots
The bitter irony being that people gave their lives for Irish independence only for it to be handed back to the federalist cause in the form of EU membership in which the UK is again in large part calling the shots regarding Irish policy.The common link being the big business interests effectively using what are economic sanctions against anyone who refuses to follow the federalist agenda.
The British Isles aren’t in a no win situation regardless of the outcome.They are only in the lose lose situation of being lumbered with a federalist agenda wether they vote for nationalism or federalism.As in the case of the so called anti federalist but pro unionist UKIP and the so called nationalist but actually pro EU federalist Irish and Scottish ‘nationalist’ Parties.When what’s needed is an anti fedralist agenda throughout the British Isles that actually does what it says on the tin.
it will show us all that what the snp can do then ukip can do the same for england, well done to the snp for standing up over all these years were most thought they were just a small fringe party, well look at them now !!! who would of thought it ■■?
ukip next : )
The fact that UKIP didn’t immediately change it’s position and name to that of English Independence Party supportive of Scottish independence,as soon as Cameron announced the agreement for the Scottish referendum,is a massive mistake that has destroyed any credibility which it might have had as an anti federalist Party.
desypete:
‘… what the snp can do then ukip can do the same for england … ukip next …’
Please don’t align these two parties.
The SNP is pro-EU and wants it’s babies, ultra-liberalism, inefficiencies and catastrophic migration policy, etc, etc
UKIP doesn’t
Given their chance, the the SNP through independence will not reclaim Scottish waters - thereby allowing supertrawlers from, eg., Spain to continue taking UK fish right up to the UK coastline thereby denying thousands of potential UK jobs in this now dormant industry.
All thanks both to the EU and successive pro-Brussels, SNP/Lib/Lab/Green/Con, soft-touch appeasers
There’s no difference between the contradiction in the pro EU federalist policies of the Scottish ‘Nationalist’ Party and the contradiction in the pro unionist policies of the ‘anti federalist’ UKIP.
desypete:
‘… what the snp can do then ukip can do the same for england … ukip next …’
Please don’t align these two parties.
The SNP is pro-EU and wants it’s babies, ultra-liberalism, inefficiencies and catastrophic migration policy, etc, etc
UKIP doesn’t
Given their chance, the the SNP through independence will not reclaim Scottish waters - thereby allowing supertrawlers from, eg., Spain to continue taking UK fish right up to the UK coastline thereby denying thousands of potential UK jobs in this now dormant industry.
All thanks both to the EU and successive pro-Brussels, SNP/Lib/Lab/Green/Con, soft-touch appeasers
as always you miss the point being made and go off on your well rehearsed speech
the point being that ukip is a party as seen as having no chance, a minoirty party with stupid ideas just like the snp party was many years ago
so if one stupid party with stupid ideas can bring about change then who are you to say ukip can not do the same and finaly protect us who live here from the political correct lot in euro land who want to give it all away just for the sake of looking like a good european
the fact is both labour and torys need the bigest kick they have ever had for ignoring whats been going on now for many many years none of those partys should ever be trusted in office again so we need a party that will put us first in our own land no matter how much the nutters who want to pleed its not fair to the polish who need to earn a wage and have a holiday home in england for there family to come away from persecution or what ever other bollox they can think up for the stupidity of it all
Interesting that a lot of businesses are planning on relocating elsewhere if Scotland votes ‘Yes’…
It will also be interesting to see what currency Scotland will use.
And how they will pay the bills as a country as the population dwindles…
Mr Salmond is about as clued up on what the future would hold for an independent Scotland, several years down the line as our German Sheperd is… People with a bee in their bonnet seldom make good leaders at anything.
God help Scotland if a Yes is cast…
There is much change needed certainly. But, jumping out of the frying pan into the fire never is very successful…
Does this mean, if a yes is cast, I pay less in tax? After all, we’ll not have as many people to look after we count Scotland out!
iguana:
What about cabotage for Scot or Eng based hauliers, that could be a headache.
would i need an international o licence to go scotland
Theoretically yes, Ive thought similar and did mention somewhere that although my vehicles are registered in Scotland, my operating centre is in England lol
desypete:
‘… what the snp can do then ukip can do the same for england … ukip next …’
Please don’t align these two parties.
The SNP is pro-EU and wants it’s babies, ultra-liberalism, inefficiencies and catastrophic migration policy, etc, etc
UKIP doesn’t
Given their chance, the the SNP through independence will not reclaim Scottish waters - thereby allowing supertrawlers from, eg., Spain to continue taking UK fish right up to the UK coastline thereby denying thousands of potential UK jobs in this now dormant industry.
All thanks both to the EU and successive pro-Brussels, SNP/Lib/Lab/Green/Con, soft-touch appeasers
as always you miss the point being made and go off on your well rehearsed speech
the point being that ukip is a party as seen as having no chance, a minoirty party with stupid ideas just like the snp party was many years ago
so if one stupid party with stupid ideas can bring about change then who are you to say ukip can not do the same and finaly protect us who live here from the political correct lot in euro land who want to give it all away just for the sake of looking like a good european
the fact is both labour and torys need the bigest kick they have ever had for ignoring whats been going on now for many many years none of those partys should ever be trusted in office again so we need a party that will put us first in our own land no matter how much the nutters who want to pleed its not fair to the polish who need to earn a wage and have a holiday home in england for there family to come away from persecution or what ever other bollox they can think up for the stupidity of it all
The problem is that,like UKIP,the SNP can’t deliver the type of ‘change’ required in this case because both contain the same contradiction in being supposedly anti federalists but also federalists at the same time.The result being that they have both alienated the type of voters who they are supposedly standing to represent.IE the type of Scottish fishing industry voter that would have been expected to vote for independence for example will obviously be alienated by Salmond’s federalist pro EU policies.
Or for that matter both UKIP or SNP voters who want more democratic control over our own affairs being alienated both by UKIP following the same old Con Unionist line in terms of Scottish MP’s voting on English policy and vice versa and the SNP following the same old EU control over Scottish affairs respectively.While both are supposedly standing on a so called anti federalist democratic ticket.It would therefore take a miracle for either the SNP or UKIP to come out of this as winners with all the signs pointing to a no vote and the strengthening of the LabLibdemCon alliance with UKIP and the SNP being sunk by the glaring contradictions contained in their own selectively federalist and anti federalist ideologies.That ideology being all about the big business agenda in the case of UKIP and socialism in the case of the SNP.
nearly there:
For me it boiled down to ami british or scottish.
The issue is actually one of federalist v anti federalist.Which doesn’t just stop with the choice between Scottish or British.It’s actually a choice between a British state of a federal USE.
Or Scotland/England/Wales/Ireland all with the exclusive sovereign right to self determination and to govern themselves.
nearly there:
For me it boiled down to ami british or scottish.
The issue is actually one of federalist v anti federalist.Which doesn’t just stop with the choice between Scottish or British.It’s actually a choice between are we a British state of a federal USE or are we Scottish/English/Welsh/Irish.
Not for me its not as i cant speak for anyone other than myself
nearly there:
For me it boiled down to ami british or scottish.
The issue is actually one of federalist v anti federalist.Which doesn’t just stop with the choice between Scottish or British.It’s actually a choice between are we a British state of a federal USE or are we Scottish/English/Welsh/Irish.
Not for me its not as i cant speak for anyone other than myself
