“The same applies in regard to Japan,China and India but vice versa.None of those countries have anything which we need and which wouldn’t mean exporting goods of a higher value than anything which they can produce that we need from them in return.”
Hah hah ha!
I think they all export more to us than we to them!
Most UK consumer goods are now assembled in China, there are Japanese components in much of what we make here, and much of that is assembled by Japanese equipment and I think you’d be surprised by how fast the export side of the Indian economy is growing.
GasGas:
“The same applies in regard to Japan,China and India but vice versa.None of those countries have anything which we need and which wouldn’t mean exporting goods of a higher value than anything which they can produce that we need from them in return.”
Hah hah ha!
I think they all export more to us than we to them!
Most UK consumer goods are now assembled in China, there are Japanese components in much of what we make here, and much of that is assembled by Japanese equipment and I think you’d be surprised by how fast the export side of the Indian economy is growing.
I think that’s what I’ve been saying in that we’re in trade deficit with just about every market we deal with and therefore we’ve got nothing to lose by closing our borders to imports.
My point was that more or less everything which we import from them is stuff which we ‘could’ be making for ourselves thereby creating an artificial trade deficit and debt mountain.While,as I’ve said,our exports usually involve manufactured goods of a higher value than the garbage which we recieve in exchange for it.The global free market as it applies in our case is just a big foreign aid scam.In which we pay developing countries to provide us with stuff which we could make for ourselves usually in exchange for goods sent in export of higher value and indirectly paid for using our own money.
While even those so called British exporters are mostly foreign owned companies often using Britain as Trojan Horse to assemble foreign made products/components for so called ‘export’ in competition with our own domestic industries.While even those domestic industries are now foreign owned bought with our own money which British banks have invested in those developing countries not here.In all cases we’re in a lose lose situation in which our foreign competitors are getting richer at our expense.
The fact is it all started going wrong when we started exporting loads of oil and gas to place like Europe in exchange for manufactured goods which we didn’t need because we could make them ourselves.So effectively we gave it all away for zb all in return when it was more valuable to us by keeping it here and keeping our own people in work.Which of course would have meant a much richer Britain and a much poorer Germany which didn’t fit the script for the bankers who’d invested loads of money in German industry.
This is a shot of “Carryfast” as he will cross the Border at Gretna on 1/1/13 in order to quell all the unrest of our “minions” in Scotland,he’s looking for that ■■■■ Salmond as he makes his way around the Kingdom talking “Bollox” to the populace !!
The BENEFITS of being in the EU for working individuals are what we are told by business indiciduals., for example “more jobs” (obviously not true) in exchange for lower pay and conditions - the price many have already paid.
The DOWNSIDE is what we actually experience. The moment you don’t benefit personally (ie have your life enriched) from EU laws and practice, you are already worse off, because you’ve missed out on what could have been a good wheeze which alas went straight over your head.
Ok, so if rank and file drivers are therefore all worse off, and top bosses are all better off, then what about those in the middle? High-ranking drivers, and middle management/small business bosses?
Would anyone out there who’s running a transport business care to comment on how easy and good things are now, compared to say, 20 years ago?
We all know what’s changed in that time for the worse, so let’s hear about what (if anything) has changed for the better from those it’s supposed to have benefited…
50% tax wouldn’t be a problem if truck driving pays €20ph+ in Europe, but I’m guessing it doesn’t even in the top-dollar places.
Whatever the wages are, you’re going to be better off self-employed with taxation like that.
kr79:
Vat is 20% income tax varies between 22 and 40%
In Belgium we pay 21% VAT (soon to be 22%) & 50% TAX on our wages…
This not only keeps our country afloat, but helps Eastern Europe as well (with the help of you guy’s, of course )…
The whole thing is a big scam.Hopefully it’ll soon be without our help although it’s probably too late for that to make much difference now that we’ve already wrecked our economy by excessive indirect taxation and given away all of our oil and gas to make the Germans and the east europeans richer.Although according to the agreement,which the zb’s in our government have signed up to,we’d have to wait until 2020 to get out even if we do vote out in a referendum while even Farage doesn’t seem to have the bottle to say that he’d tear that agreement up and get out immediately as of midnight on the day of the election if or when UKIP ever get into power.
I think that without Japanese robots and machine tools, Indian tea and Chinese electronics the country would rapidly grind to a halt.
If we cut ourselves off from the EU, trade with these countries would become more important, not less.
Britain isn’t a big enough country to support industry producing cheap, high-quality goods for domestic consumption only. We’ve always had to export, and without the empire as a captive market we have to import in return.
In fact, with international shipping costs rising British manufacturers should be able to take some market off Chinese imports. Also China has rising costs and domestic demand, so the days of unlimited cheap Chinese goods for us are probably nearing an end. The Chinese middle classes are actually keen to buy British made luxury goods because they are expensive (!) just as we were keen to buy cheap imported Chinese goods because they were cheap!
Sadly, many people paid for those cheap goods with their jobs. And you’d struggle to buy a British-made plastic soap dish these days.
I hope they stay in uk I would rather share a trench with a SCOT ,A WELSHMAN than any other nation more so most of thatt two faced lot acros the channel
GasGas:
I think that without Japanese robots and machine tools, Indian tea and Chinese electronics the country would rapidly grind to a halt.
If we cut ourselves off from the EU, trade with these countries would become more important, not less.
Britain isn’t a big enough country to support industry producing cheap, high-quality goods for domestic consumption only. We’ve always had to export, and without the empire as a captive market we have to import in return.
The fact is before the idea of the EU or the global free market economy took off we were self sufficient in coal fired energy and manufactured goods.During the early 1970’s or before it would have been very difficult to find any type of manufactured goods that weren’t made here by British owned firms.
As for exports there’s no point in exporting anything if the trade deal required to do it means importing stuff which we can produce for ourselves especially if those imports exceed exports as in the case of our dealings with both the EU since we joined it and the global free market economy.The British public has been indoctrinated into the idea that we can’t produce anything for ourselves and that because of the global warming bs we’ve also got to be dependent on foreign imported energy supplies.Which is fine for those bankers etc who are making a few bob in kickbacks from the deal but it’s economic suicide for the nation as a whole.
Snarley:
We are GREAT britain for a reason.
Salmond will destroy Gods country, Scotland.
This man is a power freak
In the case of Scotland there’s nothing ‘great’ about a ‘union’ which was built on force.Salmond is just a typical politician who’s on the right track in knowing that Scotland isn’t the same country as England and never should have been but he just isn’t all that bright in knowing how to do the job,of making Scotland the independent country which it should be,properly. Just like his English counterparts when the zb’s put us all into the EU and the global free market economy.
All the farmland in Britain cannot feed even the population of Greater London.
We have to trade with other nations…or starve.
The challenge is to produce stuff that the world wants to buy, and so we cannot turn our backs on the world.We’d end up like North Korea (which incidentally is propped up by food aid from PRC and USA although its own people are not told that).
Probably the only two nations in the world that could exist in complete economic isolation are the Peoples Republic of China and the United States of America. Both of those nations have tried isolationism and have decided they are better off trading with the rest of the world.
The rise in protectionism in the early part of the 1930s is now universally accepted as having prolonged the Great Depression and aided the rise of Hitler and Stalin and the start of WW2.
I don’t think anyone is going to make that mistake again.
