eddie snax:
so often older drivers me included, trot out the mantra “you’ve got your licence now start learning” or any other derivative off that statement. On this logic, a police driver would never learn the finer points off artic driving, and maybe they don’t, but their ability to handle to a very high standard, high performance vehicles gives them the ability to handle to a reasonable standard, an artic. Driving a truck aint rocket science
I can easily believe those 2 examples, driving is an aptitude as much as a learned skill, and either you have or you don’t, most Police drivers, I would think would be motoring enthusiasts, and that being a reason for them to specialise in that field, making moving anything with wheels a joy to relish.
Agreed like pilots drivers are born not trained.However the idea of thinking that the job of driving a truck,isn’t at least as much,actually more so,‘rocket science’,as driving a police car at whatever level,would be a potentially dangerous understatement of the every day skill requirement for the job.
I agree that driving a truck is complex and high skilled, and a high performance police driver wont be driving to the highest off their skill set on a daily basis, but will be called upon to deliver that skill set at a moments notice, and that specialist driving skill set is to a very high standard that even us (quality)truckers might struggle to deliver
eddie snax:
I agree that driving a truck is complex and high skilled, and a high performance police driver wont be driving to the highest off their skill set on a daily basis, but will be called upon to deliver that skill set at a moments notice, and that specialist driving skill set is to a very high standard that even us (quality)truckers might struggle to deliver
Trust me it does no harm to go out there with the attitude that truck drivers are/should be at least as,if not more,skilled than police car drivers.
While some say that UK motorway speed limits are just there to make the law feel superior.By stopping anyone from using the money earn’t driving a truck for a living,on something a bit quicker than the usual spend limited police kit,and then driving it at unlimited German type motorway type speeds.
Just a thought=if so many highly trained police drivers are so good, why do I keep seeing knobheads in stolen corsa’s etc run rings around them on programs like Traffic cops, Police Interceptors etc? Half the time the plod try and box them in and they just [zb] off up the pavement.
Another thought. If they are so good, why do they keep smashing up police cars? And one more final thought. Why do they collide with other motorists on a regular basis?
eddie snax:
I agree that driving a truck is complex and high skilled, and a high performance police driver wont be driving to the highest off their skill set on a daily basis, but will be called upon to deliver that skill set at a moments notice, and that specialist driving skill set is to a very high standard that even us (quality)truckers might struggle to deliver
Trust me it does no harm to go out there with the attitude that truck drivers are/should be at least as,if not more,skilled than police car drivers.
While some say that UK motorway speed limits are just there to make the law feel superior.By stopping anyone from using the money earn’t driving a truck for a living,on something a bit quicker than the usual spend limited police kit,and then driving it at unlimited German type motorway type speeds.
With respect, why should we trust you? You regularly come to topics with a unique perspective and are quite dogmatic when putting your opinion.
WIRETWISTER : not following my logic : facts and events dont çonform to logic !
The dutch had a double whammy of joining the euro AND openboarders
This slashed their income by uncontrolled immigration and massively increased their living costs by the enforced devaluation upon joining euro
We have had the mad immigration ,
And if we vote to stay in EU we will end up having € forced on us too
Carryfast:
Assuming that,at best,the job of a police ( car ) driver just includes ( Class 1/C+E ‘training’ ? ) how can the job itself possibly involve ‘more’ observation,planning,positioning,use of mirrors,and other general driving skills.As required,all the time,on an every day basis,in the case of the actual job of driving a truck.As opposed to a car.Bearing in mind the comparative potential dimensions and weights involved.
I am not talking about just a police car driver as you put it. I am talking about highly trained traffic police.
Their training is far more comprehensive that a basic LGV training and their skills are far greater than any lorry driver.
Of course as a lorry driver you should have good observational skills etc but to compare the two types of driver is ridiculous.
Most of the traffic police I trained to pass an LGV test took half a day each before sitting the test and very few failed.
In what way would ‘highly skilled traffic police’ translate as anything more than a decent car driver in terms of driving skills.
lol:
Don’t they do stuff like skid pan handling, high speed pursuit, defensive driving, combative driving, and stuff that I don’t even know the names off, and take some considerable length off time to move through the stages off training, being assessed and having to pass each stage before moving to the next. just a thought
Carryfast:
So you’re saying that you’re going to put someone who’s never driven anything bigger than a car in a truck.Then teach them all the finer points of handling the extra length,width,cut in,tail sweep,approach technique and massively different mirror use regime in ‘half a day’s’ instruction.
Yet so often older drivers me included, trot out the mantra “you’ve got your licence now start learning” or any other derivative off that statement. On this logic, a police driver would never learn the finer points off artic driving, and maybe they don’t, but their ability to handle to a very high standard, high performance vehicles gives them the ability to handle to a reasonable standard, an artic. Driving a truck aint rocket science
albion1971:
And yes we had 2 police students for one day then a test. They picked things up no problem in fact most of them seemed to have a natural ability to driving a truck. And it was not a synchro box. It was a Leyland Chieftan.
As I have said before if you know nothing about training you have no idea about different abilities from different people and the different standards of driving.
I once had a binman on a rigid for 5 days training. He was certainly not brightest kid on the block. The rigid broke down on the second day and as we only had one rigid my boss said take him out in the artic.
It was like he had driven the thing for years. Just not a problem going forwards or backwards. Yet others struggle and never really get anywhere.
I can easily believe those 2 examples, driving is an aptitude as much as a learned skill, and either you have or you don’t, most Police drivers, I would think would be motoring enthusiasts, and that being a reason for them to specialise in that field, making moving anything with wheels a joy to relish.
Nice to see someone that knows something about the subject Eddie. It is blatantly obvious Carryfast has no idea about police training or any other training by his answers. Their training is far more complex and advanced than any LGV test and their driving tests are far far harder as well. The two types of training are completely different and cannot be compared. The fact is police drivers go through the basic LGV test but LGV drivers do not go through any advanced training like the police do. Not knocking either but it is as simple as that.
eddie snax:
I agree that driving a truck is complex and high skilled, and a high performance police driver wont be driving to the highest off their skill set on a daily basis, but will be called upon to deliver that skill set at a moments notice, and that specialist driving skill set is to a very high standard that even us (quality)truckers might struggle to deliver
Trust me it does no harm to go out there with the attitude that truck drivers are/should be at least as,if not more,skilled than police car drivers.
While some say that UK motorway speed limits are just there to make the law feel superior.By stopping anyone from using the money earn’t driving a truck for a living,on something a bit quicker than the usual spend limited police kit,and then driving it at unlimited German type motorway type speeds.
You seem to be equating skill as speed with that comment, and “Trust Me” speed though a pleasurable experience, it aint the definition off skill. Mud plugging with a 4 x 4 is more about slow and steady, but very skilled in the right hands.
eagerbeaver:
Just a thought=if so many highly trained police drivers are so good, why do I keep seeing knobheads in stolen corsa’s etc run rings around them on programs like Traffic cops, Police Interceptors etc? Half the time the plod try and box them in and they just [zb] off up the pavement.
Another thought. If they are so good, why do they keep smashing up police cars? And one more final thought. Why do they collide with other motorists on a regular basis?
The knobheads in Corsa’s are being reckless, Police don’t have that allowance. I suppose they are going to get it wrong sometimes, but are you mistaking panda pushers with the highway county mounty types.
Jeese, I never thought I’d be defending the old bill
As for when was I last ‘assessed’ I haven’t driven a truck since 1999 but I think I could at least hopefully still pass my ex employers’ type driving standards assessments.On that note I’d still at least be up for its drawbar reversing standards test against the best police car driver you can find.With a reasonable bet on the side that the copper will fail it before I do and therefore won’t get the chance to even go out on the road with it.
I would suggest your driving is not as up to scratch as much as you would like to think. I have assessed and trained many older drivers like yourself who think they are the worlds best but in reality they are full of bad driving habits.
It is extremely rare to find a driver like that who is anywhere near 100%.
As for reversing an A frame drawbar you probably could reverse one better than a policeman but you have experience and he does not.
But take an average policeman and an average lorry driver both who have no experience and I know who would crack it first.
Why would he not go out on the road? Surely you know driving them forwards is easier than an artic!
Now I don’t usually get involved but my best mate is a traffic Copland escorts royalty and all sorts of top people I won’t say to much of wat he does all to get her but let me tell you he is without doubT the best driver I ever been in a car with most people wouldn’t live with him but I always criticise him or he may get big headed regards rowly
rward:
Now I don’t usually get involved but my best mate is a traffic Copland escorts royalty and all sorts of top people I won’t say to much of wat he does all to get her but let me tell you he is without doubT the best driver I ever been in a car with most people wouldn’t live with him but I always criticise him or he may get big headed regards rowly
Yes they are usually spot on in a lot of ways most drivers would not even know. It takes an awful lot of time and skill to get them to the level they are at.Their courses are extremely tough and only the best get through.
Wiretwister:
With respect, why should we trust you? You regularly come to topics with a unique perspective and are quite dogmatic when putting your opinion.
If I was being dogmatic I would have said you have to trust me instead of just trust me.
If anyone wants to subscribe to the idea that driving a truck is an unskilled job go ahead.It is an attitude which can only have a negative effect on the image of the industry not to mention drive down standards.
rward:
Now I don’t usually get involved but my best mate is a traffic Copland escorts royalty and all sorts of top people I won’t say to much of wat he does all to get her but let me tell you he is without doubT the best driver I ever been in a car with most people wouldn’t live with him but I always criticise him or he may get big headed regards rowly
Yes they are usually spot on in a lot of ways most drivers would not even know. It takes an awful lot of time and skill to get them to the level they are at.Their courses are extremely tough and only the best get through.
Feel free to describe exactly what it is about driving a car that can possibly involve so much more skill than driving 40t +,almost 9 feet wide,and up to around 60ft long of truck.Although to be fair we’ll give them a few days instead of just the half day to prove that they can handle the drawbar outfit.
rward:
Now I don’t usually get involved but my best mate is a traffic Copland escorts royalty and all sorts of top people I won’t say to much of wat he does all to get her but let me tell you he is without doubT the best driver I ever been in a car with most people wouldn’t live with him but I always criticise him or he may get big headed regards rowly
Its a dirty job, but someone has to keep his feet on the ground, a true friend,
eddie snax:
I agree that driving a truck is complex and high skilled, and a high performance police driver wont be driving to the highest off their skill set on a daily basis, but will be called upon to deliver that skill set at a moments notice, and that specialist driving skill set is to a very high standard that even us (quality)truckers might struggle to deliver
Trust me it does no harm to go out there with the attitude that truck drivers are/should be at least as,if not more,skilled than police car drivers.
While some say that UK motorway speed limits are just there to make the law feel superior.By stopping anyone from using the money earn’t driving a truck for a living,on something a bit quicker than the usual spend limited police kit,and then driving it at unlimited German type motorway type speeds.
You seem to be equating skill as speed with that comment, and “Trust Me” speed though a pleasurable experience, it aint the definition off skill.
I was referring to the description of ‘high performance’ driving which is the usual most notable aspect of high level police driving activeties.The ability to deal with big speeds safely being the main important factor in that description.Which,as suggested above,is often then used to differentiate the higher standard of police driving from the lower.
Although the argument is really getting away from the point I was making.Regarding the potentially negative aspects,of allowing the idea of truck driving being a supposedly ‘unskilled’ job,to go unchallenged.
Mitsubishi Evo/Scooby. A child can drive them fast and handle them. I’ve had both. Piece of ■■■■. BMW 530d with two traffic cones and a torch in the back. A bit of oversteer but progressive, so unless you are being a complete ■■■ there is enough warning before it lets go. A eurocopter above you monitoring everything and also recording. Sometimes if its too dangerous, the chase gets called off. Fast driving in wet conditions-pretty obvious whats required. Decision making ability-hardly professor level stuff. J turns are carried out every weekend by young lads in small hatchbacks-they think its cool. Skidpan-self explanatory. Highway code-a child can learn it. Traffic laws-a child can learn it. Let me know which mystical qualities I’ve missed.
A police pursuit trained officer is trained to a high standard. One which the VAST majority of people could attain. A truck driver is something which the VAST majority of people could do also.
rward:
Now I don’t usually get involved but my best mate is a traffic Copland escorts royalty and all sorts of top people I won’t say to much of wat he does all to get her but let me tell you he is without doubT the best driver I ever been in a car with most people wouldn’t live with him but I always criticise him or he may get big headed regards rowly
Yes they are usually spot on in a lot of ways most drivers would not even know. It takes an awful lot of time and skill to get them to the level they are at.Their courses are extremely tough and only the best get through.
Feel free to describe exactly what it is about driving a car that can possibly involve so much more skill than driving 40t +,almost 9 feet wide,and up to around 60ft long of truck.Although to be fair we’ll give them a few days instead of just the half day to prove that they can handle the drawbar outfit.
You really do not know what you are talking about and as normal you miss any points I make and come up with your own theories.
Let me try and explain in simple English. A lorry driver sits a basic test and gains practice and experience.
Yes of course it takes a certain skill to drive and manoeuvre a truck and that is what you average truck driver does. However all traffic police do exactly the same. They pass the LGV test and gain experience driving them and I can assure you after they pass their test their assessment is 10 times harder than any normal driver before they are allowed on the road. They may not have driven anywhere near the hours of a normal driver but their high standard must be maintained.
They also do far more advanced driver training that is extremely complex and very hard to pass.
THEY ARE TRAINED TO A FAR HIGHER STANDARD THAN ANY ORDINARY TRUCK DRIVER AS I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG.
eagerbeaver:
Mitsubishi Evo/Scooby. A child can drive them fast and handle them. I’ve had both. Piece of ■■■■. BMW 530d with two traffic cones and a torch in the back. A bit of oversteer but progressive, so unless you are being a complete ■■■ there is enough warning before it lets go. A eurocopter above you monitoring everything and also recording. Sometimes if its too dangerous, the chase gets called off. Fast driving in wet conditions-pretty obvious whats required. Decision making ability-hardly professor level stuff. J turns are carried out every weekend by young lads in small hatchbacks-they think its cool. Skidpan-self explanatory. Highway code-a child can learn it. Traffic laws-a child can learn it. Let me know which mystical qualities I’ve missed.
A police pursuit trained officer is trained to a high standard. One which the VAST majority of people could attain. A truck driver is something which the VAST majority of people could do also.
Oh dear if you really think advanced driving is all about J turns and skid control you really have missed something.
Tell me what the main objective of skid control is if you know so much about it?
If you think a young kid has the level of skill of a highly trained police officer you are living in dreamland.
Regarding your last statement you are quite correct about a truck driver is something almost anyone can do but you are completely wrong about anyone becoming a traffic policeman.You have obviously no idea how tough their training is and I suspect you are a big police hater a bit like carryfast.
And I suspect you have a picture of a police officer that you rub your ■■■■■ on. You were asked what EXACTLY they do which is so special. You haven’t answered his Q. I also would like to know what magical abilities make up a traffic cop?
If you genuinely think that MOST people cannot pass advanced driving tests and maintain those standards, then it is YOU who is dreaming.
eagerbeaver:
And I suspect you have a picture of a police officer that you rub your ■■■■■ on. You were asked what EXACTLY they do which is so special. You haven’t answered his Q. I also would like to know what magical abilities make up a traffic cop?
If you genuinely think that MOST people cannot pass advanced driving tests and maintain those standards, then it is YOU who is dreaming.
I will ignore your unsavoury first line and I have answered his question. What makes them special is the amount of tough training they go through. There are no magical abilities only tough training which takes an awful long time and an awful lot do not make it.
I also ASKED you a question.You have not answered my question. What is the main objective of skid training?
I never said most people cannot pass advanced tests. Did I? What I did said was that the police go through far more than an advanced test.
You like Carryfast are trying to talk about something you obviously do not have a clue about.
