I know its vearing off topic a bit,but the Routemasters were initially re-engined
with ■■■■■■■ or Iveco engines,but later many were re-re- engined with DAF or Scania,and some had the engine and gearbox replaced (for the LEZ)
Its generally accepted amongst the enthusiasts that a Routemaster with an
AEC engine is quite rare within reason,and they don’t seem to bothered that
most are re-engined,especially as some re-engined have 20 year old engines!
I think its called “tollerance”. 
Just my opinion but I think that it is good to see trucks in original livery and also a fictitious one as long as the thing is still around to be seen! 
I exhibit stationary engines and barn machinery and you allways get some ‘Smart Alec’ who comes to you at a show and tells you that you have the wrong magneto or fuel tank on your engine, even though it has probably been like that for 40 years! 
I just ask them what engines they have and normally the answer is NONE, just armchair critics.
Myself I would love to see a Foden tipper restored in TILCON colours, there is a Foden unit doing the rounds in SLATERS livery which again was not one of theirs in its working days, but at least it keeps the memory of the company alive which would otherwise be lost in the mists of time.
Pete.
Alan Coxall TN member atkidave’s Dad restored this Dodge 300 series for John Weaver,along with many other older lorries to a very high standard.This Dodge won best in show at the 2011 Retro show at Gaydon.
Bewick:
Exactly “soldier”,the operative word is “fictitious”
The livery on my View-Line was fictitious… 
240 Gardner:
Bewick:
Exactly “soldier”,the operative word is “fictitious”The livery on my View-Line was fictitious…
It is just my personal opinion Chris and as I said the final decision rests with the Owner/Restorer any comments from me or A N Other are just that and are of no relevance really.Cheers Dennis.
Of course the most important thing is that the lorry is saved for the next man, so the restorer has the right to paint it however he likes. However, this does not disqualify others from giving their opinions (why take it to the shows, if you think the showgoers’ views are irrelevant?), and some restorations will inevitably be better than others, in many ways. I was a bit annoyed that Pat Seal’s old F88 had its colours changed. Although its new livery is splendid, the vehicle itself was unique and the extended cab was added during Mr. Seal’s ownership of it (correct me if I am wrong), so it would have been better to keep it as he had it. Only my opinion.
The lorry is only a sandblaster and a spraygun away from being whatever colour it likes. If it has been saved, and the corridible (sic?) parts protected against further deterioration, its next owner can start the process again.
Hi All 
I think its up to the owner what they do. Many waggons changed liveries as they were sold on during thier lifetimes and so staying true would be difficult.Restoration, in my mind, is entirely up to the owner, how they do it and what stage they want to take the restoration too. Many wagons on show are in much better condition than when they came off the line and, for me, a wagon should looked used, have a bit of character allow a peep into history and provide enjoyment, memories, discussions etc. We are not all the same and everybody enjoys a different part of the restoration owners and viewers alike. Its mean to pick fault with wagons that people have taken the time to restore, on a shoestring, or with a limitless budget. Without such enthusiasm there wouldnt be anything to look at and, after all, original liveries started off thier lives made up and on canal boats.
i must admit,i have been reading/following this post with interest. My feet were
firmly in the “let them paint it how they like,as long as its saved” camp,but to be
honest,i am beginning to understand the “original livery,and original look views”
I think the big issue is those who pick fault and criticise 
. As someone in the repair/maitenance side,i know how hard it can be to get parts for older vehicles,and also,i wouldn’t have a clue if an Atki Borderer,or an AEC Mandator,had the correct mirrors etc fitted or not!! If you have tried and struggled,or cannot afford,it must be quite upsetting for some know it all to come along and put you down!
If,however,someone came up to me and said “did you know X and Y on your truck are not original?” that at least gives you a chance to explain why,or to learn.
I’ve just restored a 1981 Seddon Atkinson 401 I’ve painted it in my old employers livery which was J .Stirlands of Nottingham we ran several Sed Atks I’ve got very little history of the lorry so I think it’s down to your own preference mine was just pure nostalgia my Dad drive the same 401 for 14 years he had it from new so mines a tribute to his I’ll try and put a photo on the forum when I fathom out how to do it
On the subject of non-standard/original parts fitted to any make of wagon, 1 of the things I find so boring about modern lorries/fleets is (other than that 75% of them seem to be painted white 
) is that they are
so flipping boring 
. There was a time that seeing a Scania with twin DAF tanks, or a Crusader with a Kenworth bumper, or a ERF with Volvo mirrors etc etc would either make you laugh or cry, but that was Transport! So a wagon doesn’t have the correct part no./colour-coded mirror-arms/mirrors/sun-visor/wiper-blades etc, quite frankly who gives a toss 
, isn’t it just a joy to see the wagon still here for us all to look at & enjoy, or reminise about the 1 we used to drive, when the Transport world had colourfull characters & wagons, & they were run by proper Transport Managers/planners who knew the difference between a tractor & a trailer without having to google it!!!
adr:
On the subject of non-standard/original parts fitted to any make of wagon, 1 of the things I find so boring about modern lorries/fleets is (other than that 75% of them seem to be painted white
so flipping boring
i agree with the above-back in the day if a mirror was broken it was replaced with “a mirror”-didnt matter if it didnt match the other one,as long as it was legal it was fine.wonder how many rivet counters would pick out something like this at a show?
if it got the job done it was good enough!!
I was visiting a good mate of mine to-day Colin Hogg of Murray Hogg Transport to-day, A pal of his called in with a 1946 30 cwt Bedford fully restored, What a classic to see, The owner told me it was an import from Newzealand, Hence no rust It will be on show at the RED ROW Show Sat/Sun this weekend, I will be there myself showing my 1971 MGB GT, I hope this sunny spell continues, Regards Larry.
gazsa401:
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Very nice -
Is this yours too?
No mate the Seddon belongs to a mate of mine I worked at Stirlands for 18 years it was a great firm
Out of the 4 lorries only the ERF is an original Stirlands lorry the rest have been restored in the Stirlands colours my next project is going to be a 1988 ERF E Series E12 fitted with 290 Gardner
Blimey, a wrecker AND a recovery vehicle!
Does that say something about running British lorries?
Only joking 
Just one more thing I’m looking for a ERF A Series with a 8 pot 240 fitted if anyone knows of one around thanks
And not a overrated Scandinavian in sight
