you didn’t actually use the word great, but we’re 4 years away from an election, nobody has even written a manifesto or any kind of plan yet, and already you’ve made you mind up to vote for Farage and his Reform party, because you “like the sound of his new ideas”. its clear who you strongly support
and I didn’t have to trawl back very far, you wrote that 6 days ago!
and i said its impossible. if you want better education for everyone than everyone has to be equal. otherwise how can every pupil get a better education. Im capable of doing a level maths. my friend isnt. does that mean she should be ignored or left to self study while the teacher concentrates on me or the other way round.
as i said above in a previous post the average private school fee is 15,324 the minimum wage is 12.44 or 24,258 (20,985 net) a year at 37.5 hours a week per person. easily affordable.
forcing pupils into a broken system doesnt make it better it exacerbates the issue. something starmer needs to learn as well.
thats funny one of starmers retorts about reform is that they dont have a plan
Equal is not a synonym for identical.
Everyone should have equal opportunity. It should not be dependent on money.
I did not say that everyone should be treated the same.
Pupils should be given equal opportunity to follow maths or woodwork. If they show an aptitude for any course they should follow that according to their ability, not the size of their wallet.
Private education for a couple of kids, and how about one of your “easily affordable mortgages” as well?
All the average worker has to do is buy a two year old car instead of a brand new Ferrari I suppose?
i assume your not disputing the 20,985 per year.
1000 per month gets you a mortgage of 225,000 over 35 years.
What Mortgage Can You Get For £1000 A Month?!
plus the 15% deposit gets you total of 258,750. a quick look on right move gets 551 results with in kent.
Properties For Sale in Kent | Rightmove
average food bill for a family of three is 400 per month
https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/average-uk-household-cost-food#:~:text=What's%20the%20average%20food%20bill,on%20takeaways%20and%20restaurant%20meals.
utilities (electricity, gas, water council tax, broadband phone) 250 per month
to summerise because i know what your maths is like
2 adults working only 37.5 hours each earns a net of 41,970
total expenditure
4800 for food
12000 for mortgage
3000 for utilities
total 19,800
combined salary - living costs = 22,170 left
less school fees 15,324 = 6,846 left or 570.50 per month ie 14.5% of their combined monthly income. most banks and financal advisers suggest saving 10% so 4.5% more than recomended
Ahhh right.
But you said I did…so now I didn’t eh?
(Just like I told you.)
Yep and only 1 year into a totally inept and frankly totally crap govt, and just had 4 years of a not as inept or crap govt…but still no good.
So yeah I have made my mind up to give a ‘new wave’ type one a chance,.away from the same sh/ different name type scenario.
What is wrong with that?
You did not need to whatsoever trawl at all mate I have made no secret of the fact…why would I?
Btw..
So I’m getting the vibe that Help for Heroes aint getting their tenner anytime soon then eh?.
@Franglais concerning education.
Have you actually got any kids ?..or experience of kids ?
(apart from once being one yourself)
Or are you talking through your arse again pretending to be an authority on something you know the far end of f/all about.
Yeah it would be an ideal world if kids could all get the same level of education and all schools were adequately commited and equipped to do that,.every kid was keen to learn,.and all teachers were model teachers
But as in everything ‘Realworld’ is much different and harsh.
Are you judging your impression of kids and schools after watching an old 1950s Jimmy Edwards film ,.the same way you think the Police today are all like Dixon of Dock Green’.by some of your naive posts about the Police in the past.
In many schools discipline is non existent,.and the kids could not gaf, …granted not all btw thankfully.
If you have a oarticulatly bright kid he/she is held back by this, so many working people make sacrifices to give their kids a chance…they fertainly can not afford it, but it’s doing the best for their kids future.
Then Starmer and his out of touch socislist clowns think all private school parents are rich, so they penalise them.
Your last few posts on this read like a line from the left wing official narrstive dialogue, totally out of youch with how things rrally are.
, but nothing new thre where you are concerned.
The percentage of successful sixth form university entrants, particularly to Oxbridge, is heavily loaded in favour of candidates from the private sector schools and not simply because of academic achievements. The Sporting reputation of the university is also a consideration, which can discriminate against the state sector candidate. Given the choice between two applicants with nominally similar grades, the one excelling at those sports seen by many as traditionally associated with the private sector and the universities, such as Rugby, Cricket or Rowing, is the more likely to be offered a place. Taking rowing as an example I’ll refer to Henley Regatta which was last weekend.
The Princess Elizabeth Cup is for under 18 oarsmen , however the event is dominated by crews from the private fee-paying sector. This is partially because the cost of the equipment and facilities is beyond the budget of most state schools or academies, so few offer rowing as a sporting activity. Since many schools in the private sector are boarding schools, more time within the school day is available for sport. Parents current and past are used as a reliable source of funds for new equipment.
These factors do not mean that youngsters keen on the sport are excluded from it, many riverside towns have a rowing club and these make every effort to attract schoolchildren to the sport either by allowing schools to use their facilities, equipment and often coaches, or by attracting children to join the club at a very junior novice level. This is particularly successful with girls, who soon find that they can compete with boys on an equal or even superior level.
The PE Cup 2024 list had 41entries but only around half a dozen were from clubs or state schools. There is no doubt that the individuals competing in this competition are exceptionally talented at their sport. The time demands at this level are extremely demanding, requiring many hours training daily. However many of these manage to combine sporting prowess with academic abilities of the highest level.
The commentary on the Henley PE cup races frequently includes detail on the academic future of the individual competitors, which on the final two days usually reads along the lines of Oxford, Oxford, Cambridge, Cambridge UL, UCL, IC, Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Oxford Brookes, Newcastle, Durham: all major rowing universities .
I haven’t mentioned the Prince Philip Cup for under 18 Girls nor the other junior events for boys and girls for which the situation is broadly similar, but with a slightly improved state/club participation.
I haven’t mentioned either the distractions of home life which the boarding school child does not have to endure.
what a compleat load of leftie codswallop
the reason most get in from private schools is all universities i dont care if they are an ex polly or top of the russle group want foreign students because they have topay higher fees. the top unis dont want the dross from some slum so they pick from the private schools where there is a strong possibility they bothered to turn up and got some sort of an education.
Dont like it blame labour they are the ones that froze the tuition fees below inflation
Agreed.
Yes true. Why is that?
Is state education under valued? Under spending?
Yes. Why is this?
Because the state does not support state schools enough. Because the rich and MPs of all parties can opt out and send their kids to private schools.
Of course they are… no one is saying otherwise.
But why are parents forced to make sacrifices? Why is it necessary for them to get what should be a right for all kids equally?
Penalise who exactly?
They have removed a tax concession. A loophole has been closed.
i answered that one here
nope a new tax has been created. a loophole means they are getting away with something. they arent they still have to pay towards state education that no one pays vat on
Yep. What used to be state system of education for UK citizens and their kids, has been turned into a quasi-privatised money making device.
Of course the richest, who can afford fees, are not being penalised. It is the run-of -the-mill salary and wage earners who get the ■■■■■■ end of the stick.
And the rest of it…
Is no surprise at all.
as i said… blame labor but you wont
I haven’t a clue who I’ll vote for in 4 years I may not vote at all. See how things pan out
I see no need to pay out on your bet - you’re a big reform and farage fan, you like the sound of their fresh ideas, you’ve made no secret about that
Nothing wrong with that
I think reform are the Tories. Most of the party are ex Tories and failed Tories it’s like when marathon changed its name to snickers. They seem to be promising austerity and cutbacks, Brexit, and to stop the boats. Which is what the Tories did for ten years. But that’s just my opinion
And both are full of nuts…
As I say, envy and jealousy!
Why shouldn’t private schools exist? Not everyone who attends one is born into wealth. Everyone has the opportunity to build something for themselves that allows them the chance to send their kids.
Of course, I wouldn’t expect anything less of someone with such a naïve and shut eye view of how the real world works outside of your closed mind ideology.
seems that ole two tier was up to his usual tricks before he became pm. Nick brown mp for newcastle had a complaint lodged against him… what did ole starmer do absolutely nothing. just the usual bs about how he cant comment on an investigation yet they never informed the police . Yet at the same time if a tory mp as much as broke wind in private ole two tier would be screaming for imprisonment.
@Franglais.
Here’s another chance for you to call me out as ‘‘a racist’’ (or as last time a race obsessive 
) …in the style of what a lefty delusionist does when the uncomfortable truth is pointed out…
The truth that usually contradicts your narrative and absolute doctrine, so then the default ‘defense by attack’ default kicks in.
Fact is many of the problems in this country whether or not it fits in with your idyllic view of the country/world …or not, is down to race and conflicting culture, modern civilastion trying to cope with medieval style and values, and the problems caused by it for the indigenous population…but we’ve been here before.
Now I am NOT saying this example is the main problem, but I have spoke to parents in other parts of the country where it sure as hell is.
I was not exactly over the moon (but I left my kids as ever to make their own minds up) when RE at their school was on the curriculum.
It was predominately Christian based, and learning about other religions as a sideline…but no way in hell would I want my kids to have Islam pushed down their throats on a daily basis, as a lot of these schools do.
That and the fact a high percentage of kids do not even SPEAK English, holds the indigenous kids back.
Again just because that indigenous population, (in this case justified concerned, parents) express dissatisfaction and unfairness with that scenario does definitely NOT make them ‘racist’ and it is naive, childish…(not to mention convenient and effective) to use that as a tactic to stifle argument and debate.
As for other aspects of kids in education, I’m getting the vibe, rightly or wrongly (but tbh I don’t care anyway) that you have no kids nor experience of bringing them up, hence your misguided views on the British education system…so would YOU be happy sending YOUR kids there,.and if the only viable altrnative in your town was private education, would you still stand by your principles, and send them to the state school anyway??
We were lucky with our kids, they went to a good revered school in a market town with old fashioned (and sometines long gone values) other parents are not so lucky.
Yeah they could spend time gobbing off about how things SHOULD be this that and the other, and how unfair it is, and simultaneously send their kid to the local crappy school,.OR sacrifice such as holidays and social life for private education…in my view that makes good parents.
Both my wife and her brother went to private school and their parents were certainly not rich. Her dad came from a mining family and he went down the pit as a Bevan boy during the war, her mother was one of eight brothers and sisters.
When they married in the early fifties they took the tenancy of small two room pub down the street from where they lived. Worked seven days a week, never took holidays and eventually were able to take the tenancy of a larger pub about a mile away.
Again seven days a week toil and when the children came along decided to send them to private school, so more seven days a week. They eventually started to take the odd holiday, five days in Blackpool!!, Mon to Fri and back for the busy weekend.
When they came out of the pub her dad worked a security guard at the National Savings building in Durham.
The only house they ever owned was a two up two down in Washington New Town.
Certainly not rich !!!
