Police Crackdown

[roadsrat]

Mike-C:

RoadsRat:

Mike-C:
Anyway if anyones interested, here’s who instigated the crackdown…

Tispol Organisation, who according to companies house are an Architectural & Engineering Activities & Consultancy company. They are run by ACPO, or sort of headed by them. Here’s their up and coming crackdown dates…
tispol.org/road-policing/rp … dates-2013

They’re an interesting organisation…

You’re wrong, two seperate campaigns were ran in the same week:

suffolk.police.uk/newsandeve … paign.aspx

suffolk.police.uk/newsandeve … ivers.aspx

But lets not let incorrect info get in the way eh!

I’m wrong am i ? You deduce this how, by relying on a police press release to actually say Tispol is responsible or do you know other wise? Because one press release doesn’t mention TISPOL we can take it for gospel its not a TISPOL led initiative can we? Lets see what the alternatives are, Suffolk Police (and others) meet the TISPOL initiative to have a seat belt crackdown and you reckon whilst the POlice are providing the rescources for this they think…hey we’ll do our own crackdown too. Even though as you intimated the RPU are hard pushed and you can be waiting ages for help if they’re ■■■■■■■, they’ve still got the manpower to run two seperate operations? I’d doubt it.
Also you infer people can vote their own Police commisioner who can have a direct say in what the public want (or words to that effect). Thats actually not true. TISPOL is a private company answerable to no one, with spivs on its board who run crash for cash type companies, this TISPOL organisation is “headed” or “overseen” by ACPO who are (as you well know) a complete unelected and law to them selves, who is well documented for favouring the economic concerns of their ex members or ex coppers. TISPOL and ACPO decide where and when the campaigns are run. Its nothing to do with what the electorate wants or needs and its certainley nothing to do with what the local Police Chief thinks.
Like you say, if a trucker gets caught without a seatbelt then he’s ony himself to blame for the fine, whats hard to fathom out though is why the Police are searching for this stuff to issue fines when they claim their remit is ‘saftey’. If it was really saftey, they’d pull them and advise them. If people wants more coppers on the beat instead of driving up and down the motorway in trucks stopping people for seatbelts, then thats some thing they’re entitled to decide upon as the Police work for them but its not going to happen, because they really do not have a choice, even though you intimate they do. Even though there is talk about openess/community liason/stakeholders etc…its [zb] and bluff.
The difference between a lorry driver and you is that one knows what he’s doing and why he’s doing it and the other hasn’t a clue , he just does what he’s told and what his priorities are this week.

One was a TISPOL operation, the other wasn’t. It’s really that simple.

[raymundo]

RoadsRat:

MikeCunn:
I don’t really want to get involved in all of this but

RoadsRat:
Who’s going to do the crackdown on the police?

Isn’t this the whole problem? The Police believe they answer to no one.

I wasn’t making a serious point, it was a joke.

Er, they answer to various authorities.

Due to the weather today it’s been a bit depressing out on the road, but to get home and read this has made my day. A so called guardian of the people with a sense of ■■■■■■ humour. It aint real !!!

[roadsrat]

ironstipper:

Mike-C:

RoadsRat:

Mike-C:
Anyway if anyones interested, here’s who instigated the crackdown…

Tispol Organisation, who according to companies house are an Architectural & Engineering Activities & Consultancy company. They are run by ACPO, or sort of headed by them. Here’s their up and coming crackdown dates…
tispol.org/road-policing/rp … dates-2013

They’re an interesting organisation…

You’re wrong, two seperate campaigns were ran in the same week:

suffolk.police.uk/newsandeve … paign.aspx

suffolk.police.uk/newsandeve … ivers.aspx

But lets not let incorrect info get in the way eh!

I’m wrong am i ? You deduce this how, by relying on a police press release to actually say Tispol is responsible or do you know other wise? Because one press release doesn’t mention TISPOL we can take it for gospel its not a TISPOL led initiative can we? Lets see what the alternatives are, Suffolk Police (and others) meet the TISPOL initiative to have a seat belt crackdown and you reckon whilst the POlice are providing the rescources for this they think…hey we’ll do our own crackdown too. Even though as you intimated the RPU are hard pushed and you can be waiting ages for help if they’re ■■■■■■■, they’ve still got the manpower to run two seperate operations? I’d doubt it.
Also you infer people can vote their own Police commisioner who can have a direct say in what the public want (or words to that effect). Thats actually not true. TISPOL is a private company answerable to no one, with spivs on its board who run crash for cash type companies, this TISPOL organisation is “headed” or “overseen” by ACPO who are (as you well know) a complete unelected and law to them selves, who is well documented for favouring the economic concerns of their ex members or ex coppers. TISPOL and ACPO decide where and when the campaigns are run. Its nothing to do with what the electorate wants or needs and its certainley nothing to do with what the local Police Chief thinks.
Like you say, if a trucker gets caught without a seatbelt then he’s ony himself to blame for the fine, whats hard to fathom out though is why the Police are searching for this stuff to issue fines when they claim their remit is ‘saftey’. If it was really saftey, they’d pull them and advise them. If people wants more coppers on the beat instead of driving up and down the motorway in trucks stopping people for seatbelts, then thats some thing they’re entitled to decide upon as the Police work for them but its not going to happen, because they really do not have a choice, even though you intimate they do. Even though there is talk about openess/community liason/stakeholders etc…its [zb] and bluff.
The difference between a lorry driver and you is that one knows what he’s doing and why he’s doing it and the other hasn’t a clue , he just does what he’s told and what his priorities are this week.

to be fair on the bloke mike, i think the Leveson Inquiry as well as the Saville inquiry has proved to the country without doubt what the average working folk have know for donkeys years.

The average copper is as bent as a three pound note, who has to justify his job by sucking crap of a nobody’s 'arris. most of them are ex bed wetting bullied school kids that have a grudge to bear.

Once they get stuffed in that shiny uniform, they go from bullied to bully, and use that uniform to try to patronise and intimidate folk.

They ask the working public to support them during cuts, wage and pension disputes as well as supply information. Whilst at the same time they target the same generally honest, tax paying hard working folk. That whom’s only agenda in life is to gain a fair days pay for a fair days work.

my post above was 100% factual last night, apart from the bit about picking up my mobile phone. Having been on the receiving end of Norfolk police’s great stitch ups to gain brownie points in the past, as well as receiving grovelling oppologies and pay outs thanks to “Simon Nicholls of Belmores solicitors” from them for being in the wrong. As a hard working, honest tax paying family bloke. The day I ever phone the police will by Christ be a very dark one.

I have my job to do, they have theirs. i crack on, so can they. If they are any good they can do it by them selves.

Well let’s just hope you never require the assistance of the police. But when you do and you will do, perhaps you’ll think back to the comments you’ve posted.

[raymundo]

If ever anyone needs the help of the police remember that’s what WE pay them to do and what THEY get paid to do, you as a policeman don’t do it out of the goodness of your heart do you?

[mike-c]

RoadsRat:
One was a TISPOL operation, the other wasn’t. It’s really that simple.

Thats not simple, even accepting your version. The local Police are really running the same operation as they have been seconded to by a non elected, unacountable organisation in the same week. And thats simple give the stretch on public finances ?

[ironstipper]

RoadsRat:
Well let’s just hope you never require the assistance of the police. But when you do and you will do, perhaps you’ll think back to the comments you’ve posted.

2 years ago, outside my girlfriends house. 5 kids(18 to 20 year olds) where kicking off on her driveway. All seemed hammered. They where all fighting with each other. I wandered over and just said to them. “Look lads, crack on somewhere else as its likely one of the neighbours will call the police”.

At that point, I had 5 feral youths wanting to tear lumps out of me. Not a big problem yet, I was sober they where falling all over the place.

Well I took the choice of removing the keys from the car, and phoning the police, and refusing to give the keys back until the police arrived.

The result of this was a whole bunch of their mates turning up, along with dodgy council estate parents and stuff wanting to give it some big one.

When the police finally turned up, by this time the neighbours where on the phone as we where seriously under siege and they had near on kicked in a 5 point locking double glazed door in to get to us. We had an ambulance on site as my girlfriends daughters boyfriend had gained a serious head injury. Even they refused to leave the house to get more stuff from the ambulance.

The outcome was for the police to prosecute them (even though a positive breath test was proven on the driver) they would have to arrest me for tampering with a motor vehicle.(Because I removed the keys without permission)

Well after a 2am phone call to Simon Nicholls, under his guidance I reluctantly I let them arrest me, and went through the Judicial process and enjoyed a night in her majesties hotel. Had it not been for that advice, I would have told them to get stuffed and leave it.

Well the outcome of this was fantastic. One of the kids involved, his step father was a big player in Norfolk CID. No corruption here then is there.

After some cracking letters to my MP, the police complaints commission, and some serious stress given from my barrister ect, we got a nice sum and an apology. Basically it was all written as please don’t publicise this, and the police on the night where as much use as Jimmy Saville running a crèche.

As you put it, “I hope you never require the help of the police” you are correct, as with that help from your mob, i strongly believe that vigilantly principles rule and any future problems I will not darken your doorstep but solve myself, as clearly anything beyond nicking someone for stuffing their dial with a pork pie is beyond you. The UK police have a world wide reputation on forensic and detective work of par excellence, nobody in the world is better, but the ground level policing has the reputation of King Canute’s tide tables, with more corruption (as proven via leveson) then China.

Mate your all Wayne Kerr’s

[mike-c]

RoadsRat:
Well let’s just hope you never require the assistance of the police. But when you do and you will do, perhaps you’ll think back to the comments you’ve posted.

And then go look at the photographs (and testimony)of what the Police actually done at Hillsborough for example, or the miners strikes, or the dockers strikes or numerous protests across the country. See first hand how they prioritise public saftey !!!
Unfortunatley for you no one seems to be swayed by the photographs of Police in the community with black people and Gay parades, and general Police helping people because in reality it doesn’t happen often. And thats why there’s a plethora of blogs of coppers and ex coppers bemoaning the system. Some coppers though as we see are happy with it. You’ve no need to keep defending yourself,we just don’t like you and thats it.

[ironstipper]

Mike-C:

RoadsRat:
Well let’s just hope you never require the assistance of the police. But when you do and you will do, perhaps you’ll think back to the comments you’ve posted.

And then go look at the photographs (and testimony)of what the Police actually done at Hillsborough for example, or the miners strikes, or the dockers strikes or numerous protests across the country. See first hand how they prioritise public saftey !!!
Unfortunatley for you no one seems to be swayed by the photographs of Police in the community with black people and Gay parades, and general Police helping people because in reality it doesn’t happen often. And thats why there’s a plethora of blogs of coppers and ex coppers bemoaning the system. Some coppers though as we see are happy with it. You’ve no need to keep defending yourself,we just don’t like you and thats it.

And here ls the crux of modern policing. When i was a kid, we moved from East london to Norfolk. we had a Village bobby who every one knew by name. He was respected like the local doctor, or midwife. He was part of the community.

During the winter he would have snowball fights with the kids, would enjoy a shandy in the pub with the locals near on last orders, Basically telling the landlord without persecution its closing time.

The Police where respected and placed on a pedestal back then (I’m 42)

Now we have some sort of modern day Gestapo, who’s only purpose is to raise revenue. They have no personal man management skills to be able to create conversation with folk on the street, they have no wish to break conversation with folk on the street.

They ponder around with their thumbs in the belt loops of their trousers, standing straight trying to look more intimidating then a 1970’s bent nosed bouncer.

Geezer, the public are now frightened and intimidated of the police, hence why you have the negative attitude towards you.

To be fair at least right now you grunt for a licence, I don’t think it will be long before you start demanding “PAPERS”.

Before you can get the public to adapt to working with modern ■■■■ policing, your mob needs to start trying to work with the public.

[mike-c]

ironstipper:

Mike-C:

RoadsRat:
Well let’s just hope you never require the assistance of the police. But when you do and you will do, perhaps you’ll think back to the comments you’ve posted.

And then go look at the photographs (and testimony)of what the Police actually done at Hillsborough for example, or the miners strikes, or the dockers strikes or numerous protests across the country. See first hand how they prioritise public saftey !!!
Unfortunatley for you no one seems to be swayed by the photographs of Police in the community with black people and Gay parades, and general Police helping people because in reality it doesn’t happen often. And thats why there’s a plethora of blogs of coppers and ex coppers bemoaning the system. Some coppers though as we see are happy with it. You’ve no need to keep defending yourself,we just don’t like you and thats it.

And here ls the crux of modern policing. When i was a kid, we moved from East london to Norfolk. we had a Village bobby who every one knew by name. He was respected like the local doctor, or midwife. He was part of the community.

During the winter he would have snowball fights with the kids, would enjoy a shandy in the pub with the locals near on last orders, Basically telling the landlord without persecution its closing time.

The Police where respected and placed on a pedestal back then (I’m 42)

Now we have some sort of modern day Gestapo, who’s only purpose is to raise revenue. They have no personal man management skills to be able to create conversation with folk on the street, they have no wish to break conversation with folk on the street.

They ponder around with their thumbs in the belt loops of their trousers, standing straight trying to look more intimidating then a 1970’s bent nosed bouncer.

Geezer, the public are now frightened and intimidated of the police, hence why you have the negative attitude towards you.

To be fair at least right now you grunt for a licence, I don’t think it will be long before you start demanding “PAPERS”.

Before you can get the public to adapt to working with modern ■■■■ policing, your mob needs to start trying to work with the public.

They’re a waste of time. A good day to them is handing out a load of FPN’s, doesn’t matter if they’re RPU or others. Thats how they measure their day. I had to laugh at a recent TV documentary where the copper was on some sort of excersise and he was happy to be on it as it was a change from the more mundane stuff of…quote…“knocking on peoples doors because of what they’ve said on facebook”. In itself that tells you how the system operates.
Here’s what doesn’t happen…How did your day go at work love?

Oh it was good, i stopped about 20 lorry drivers and said wear you seatbelt it for your own good. Then i stopped a few others and after searching hard i found their load wasn’t secured enough so in the interests of saftey i told them, how to secure it better, they where gratefull for this. I helped a woman on the hard shoulder change a tyre. Stopped a foreign lorry who looked lost and helped him fid his way ad in general i just helped the public out and make sure there was no disorder or crime going on…

[bazza123]

I think there probably are a few good coppers out there but they are all tarnished with the same bad reputation as a significant amount of idiots that seem to have infiltrated our once great police forces. Over a period of time the public have lost faith in the police and IMHO dont generally believe the police are working in their best interest anymore.

I lived in london at the time of the bombings and the de Menezes debacle. At the time people were shocked but relieved that the police had foiled, or so they thought, another bombing attempt. It was only later that people learnt they had killed an innocent man in cold blood, and it wasn’t the first time either.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Stanley

When you add in incidents such as Stanley and de Menezes, plus Hillsborough and the corruption allegations in Saville and Leveson, you (Roadsrat hopefully) can see why people do not trust the police anymore.

People feel getting the police involved in things is too much hassle now, or that trying to be a law abiding citizen, reporting crimes or taking matters in to your own hands will end up in you yourself being a suspect and/or arrested ( ).

A lot of people have respect for Tony Martin as he took matters in to his own hands when his local force had failed. The fact he himself was arrested and prosecuted cemented in a lot of peoples mind that the police are against the majority in society.

Someone mentioned keys. I once removed a set of keys from a crashed car as the ignition was still on and I thought a fire could start (the car was off the road and was up to its sills in mud, beached, and I didn’t know if the tank was damaged). I was in the car checking the driver, waiting for the ambulance etc, and I didn’t fancy getting burnt to a crisp.

Only took a couple of seconds but seemed fairly sensible thing to do to me. Young copper turns up, “Good idea” he said when I told him. Two pipped officer turns up, when I explained things re the keys he rolled his eyes and grunted “That was evidence…!”

I once reported another driver for ripping my wing mirror off, at the station, after I had explained things at the desk, the copper on duty said “Is there something you’re not telling me…!!”

The day’s of Dixon of Dock Green are well well over and im afraid the police only have themselves to blame.

[harry]

ironstipper:

Mike-C:

RoadsRat:
Well let’s just hope you never require the assistance of the police. But when you do and you will do, perhaps you’ll think back to the comments you’ve posted.

And then go look at the photographs (and testimony)of what the Police actually done at Hillsborough for example, or the miners strikes, or the dockers strikes or numerous protests across the country. See first hand how they prioritise public saftey !!!
Unfortunatley for you no one seems to be swayed by the photographs of Police in the community with black people and Gay parades, and general Police helping people because in reality it doesn’t happen often. And thats why there’s a plethora of blogs of coppers and ex coppers bemoaning the system. Some coppers though as we see are happy with it. You’ve no need to keep defending yourself,we just don’t like you and thats it.

And here ls the crux of modern policing. When i was a kid, we moved from East london to Norfolk. we had a Village bobby who every one knew by name. He was respected like the local doctor, or midwife. He was part of the community.

During the winter he would have snowball fights with the kids, would enjoy a shandy in the pub with the locals near on last orders, Basically telling the landlord without persecution its closing time.

The Police where respected and placed on a pedestal back then (I’m 42)

Now we have some sort of modern day Gestapo, who’s only purpose is to raise revenue. They have no personal man management skills to be able to create conversation with folk on the street, they have no wish to break conversation with folk on the street.

They ponder around with their thumbs in the belt loops of their trousers, standing straight trying to look more intimidating then a 1970’s bent nosed bouncer.

Geezer, the public are now frightened and intimidated of the police, hence why you have the negative attitude towards you.

To be fair at least right now you grunt for a licence, I don’t think it will be long before you start demanding “PAPERS”.

Before you can get the public to adapt to working with modern ■■■■ policing, your mob needs to start trying to work with the public.

+1 …+ them stupid PCSOS!!

[air_horns]

after reading through all the posts on this topic. i find it very hard to understand all the negative coments.

as i have no verdict on the police in anyway. why has this topic got into a slagging match.
both sides have a point. the police are there to do a job mayby some times right sometimes wrong.
why dont us drivers take some of roadrats points i think in that way it would help us be more professional.

[goaty]

air horns:
after reading through all the posts on this topic. i find it very hard to understand all the negative coments.

as i have no verdict on the police in anyway. why has this topic got into a slagging match.
both sides have a point. the police are there to do a job mayby some times right sometimes wrong.
why dont us drivers take some of roadrats points i think in that way it would help us be more professional.

Happily for you officer, it seems Newark exists in a bubble as for as this subject goes.

[m4rky]

air horns:
after reading through all the posts on this topic. i find it very hard to understand all the negative coments.

as i have no verdict on the police in anyway. why has this topic got into a slagging match.
both sides have a point. the police are there to do a job mayby some times right sometimes wrong.
why dont us drivers take some of roadrats points i think in that way it would help us be more professional.

LOL

As I posted on your other trolling thread you are definitely related to Roadsrat - Excellent entertainment!

[roadsrat]

m4rky:

air horns:
after reading through all the posts on this topic. i find it very hard to understand all the negative coments.

as i have no verdict on the police in anyway. why has this topic got into a slagging match.
both sides have a point. the police are there to do a job mayby some times right sometimes wrong.
why dont us drivers take some of roadrats points i think in that way it would help us be more professional.

LOL

As I posted on your other trolling thread you are definitely related to Roadsrat - Excellent entertainment!

Yes, excellent entertainment m4rky! You’re coming across like a right prat with your obsession.

[air_horns]

so somebody joins a forum. people do not like what their oppinion is and you get called a troll. now i am glad i joined a forum of inteligent lgv drivers.

[roadsrat]

air horns:
so somebody joins a forum. people do not like what their oppinion is and you get called a troll. now i am glad i joined a forum of inteligent lgv drivers.

Stop posting stuff like this, they don’t like common sense and the truth being posted!

Intelligent? That’s in short supply here.

[goaty]

air horns:
so somebody joins a forum. people do not like what their oppinion is and you get called a troll. now i am glad i joined a forum of inteligent lgv drivers.

I’d say your timing in joining was impeccably coincidental given Rugrats failed propaganda attempt.

To me you don’t “sound” like a driver. Just another character in someone else’s repertoire. It is possible I’m wrong of course. Though I doubt it.

[goaty]

RoadsRat:

air horns:
so somebody joins a forum. people do not like what their oppinion is and you get called a troll. now i am glad i joined a forum of inteligent lgv drivers.

Stop posting stuff like this, they don’t like common sense and the truth being posted!

Intelligent? That’s in short supply here.

Hats off to you, you’re certainly tenacious. You keep banging that tired old drum and we’ll keep calling you out.

I do find these conversations between these characters amusing. All we need now is Foxy Stars to join in for the full 3 ring circus.

[m4rky]

RoadsRat:

m4rky:

air horns:
after reading through all the posts on this topic. i find it very hard to understand all the negative coments.

as i have no verdict on the police in anyway. why has this topic got into a slagging match.
both sides have a point. the police are there to do a job mayby some times right sometimes wrong.
why dont us drivers take some of roadrats points i think in that way it would help us be more professional.

LOL

As I posted on your other trolling thread you are definitely related to Roadsrat - Excellent entertainment!

Yes, excellent entertainment m4rky! You’re coming across like a right prat with your obsession.

Thank you I feel suitably told off officer