mickyblue:
Sorry but all bugerkings posts are sort of posts that provoke a reply. Sorry Troll springs to mind
Questions do that too mate, you have to be carefull !!!
LOL yes mike 
but then he cant do POA as was not told how long …so why put it as break , sod that unless I could fox trot Oscar to the canteen, so the only option was really what he did
nick2008:
LOL yes mike
Erm… Because it’s perfectly legal to put it on break, why wouldn’t you?
just because you’re not told how long doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t use poa perfectly legally
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
LOL yes mikeErm… Because it’s perfectly legal to put it on break, why wouldn’t you?
just because you’re not told how long doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t use poa perfectly legally
Steve the official part of POA you must know or be given a length of time that you may be delayed. or you know by past experience how long you may be … the OP had none of that information so LEGALY he was un able to book poa…so his only option is break or work so at the end of all this he booked chuffin work and there’s nothing wrong with that .
nick2008:
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
LOL yes mikeErm… Because it’s perfectly legal to put it on break, why wouldn’t you?
just because you’re not told how long doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t use poa perfectly legally
Steve the official part of POA you must know or be given a length of time that you may be delayed. or you know by past experience how long you may be … the OP had none of that information so LEGALY he was un able to book poa…so his only option is break or work so at the end of all this he booked chuffin work and there’s nothing wrong with that .
But he wasn’t doing any work, so why book work? He’s been there long enough that he could’ve had an idea how long a truck would be, as I said in a previous post, a driver takes approx 15 mins to get out of a truck, so that’s 15mins POA from when he’s in the yard, so you could book 15 mins poa when he’s not in the yard followed by another 15 mins poa until he is…
But, if you’re not driving, and not working, then you’re either on break, rest or POA.
No wonder drivers are treated like crap with attitudes like these… As someone else said, sit there for 5hrs 30, 15 mins getting truck ready etc, drive out of the gate and have a break? 
I sorta understand what the OP is getting at, being on day rate etc, but I’d have still booked either POA or break, the duty time had still started at the same time, so his 13/15 was still doing the same thing.
And doing it by the book is how it should always be done, otherwise nothing is done about the planning of the job - but we all do stuff to suit ourselves.
waynedl:
nick2008:
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
LOL yes mikeErm… Because it’s perfectly legal to put it on break, why wouldn’t you?
just because you’re not told how long doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t use poa perfectly legally
Steve the official part of POA you must know or be given a length of time that you may be delayed. or you know by past experience how long you may be … the OP had none of that information so LEGALY he was un able to book poa…so his only option is break or work so at the end of all this he booked chuffin work and there’s nothing wrong with that .
But he wasn’t doing any work, so why book work? He’s been there long enough that he could’ve had an idea how long a truck would be, as I said in a previous post, a driver takes approx 15 mins to get out of a truck, so that’s 15mins POA from when he’s in the yard, so you could book 15 mins poa when he’s not in the yard followed by another 15 mins poa until he is…
But, if you’re not driving, and not working, then you’re either on break, rest or POA.No wonder drivers are treated like crap with attitudes like these… As someone else said, sit there for 5hrs 30, 15 mins getting truck ready etc, drive out of the gate and have a break?
I sorta understand what the OP is getting at, being on day rate etc, but I’d have still booked either POA or break, the duty time had still started at the same time, so his 13/15 was still doing the same thing.
And doing it by the book is how it should always be done, otherwise nothing is done about the planning of the job - but we all do stuff to suit ourselves.
you’ve missed the point totally fella … the OP was did he have to book POA and the simple answer is NO
nick2008:
waynedl:
nick2008:
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
LOL yes mikeErm… Because it’s perfectly legal to put it on break, why wouldn’t you?
just because you’re not told how long doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t use poa perfectly legally
Steve the official part of POA you must know or be given a length of time that you may be delayed. or you know by past experience how long you may be … the OP had none of that information so LEGALY he was un able to book poa…so his only option is break or work so at the end of all this he booked chuffin work and there’s nothing wrong with that .
But he wasn’t doing any work, so why book work? He’s been there long enough that he could’ve had an idea how long a truck would be, as I said in a previous post, a driver takes approx 15 mins to get out of a truck, so that’s 15mins POA from when he’s in the yard, so you could book 15 mins poa when he’s not in the yard followed by another 15 mins poa until he is…
But, if you’re not driving, and not working, then you’re either on break, rest or POA.No wonder drivers are treated like crap with attitudes like these… As someone else said, sit there for 5hrs 30, 15 mins getting truck ready etc, drive out of the gate and have a break?
I sorta understand what the OP is getting at, being on day rate etc, but I’d have still booked either POA or break, the duty time had still started at the same time, so his 13/15 was still doing the same thing.
And doing it by the book is how it should always be done, otherwise nothing is done about the planning of the job - but we all do stuff to suit ourselves.
you’ve missed the point totally fella … the OP was did he have to book POA and the simple answer is NO
His boss says otherwise, so therefore he DOES
Mike-C:
mickyblue:
Sorry but all bugerkings posts are sort of posts that provoke a reply. Sorry Troll springs to mindQuestions do that too mate, you have to be carefull !!!
No harm in asking a question Mike -C but posting non stop replys with non stop swearing and personal attacks is getting a bit stupid.
waynedl:
nick2008:
waynedl:
nick2008:
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
LOL yes mikeErm… Because it’s perfectly legal to put it on break, why wouldn’t you?
just because you’re not told how long doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t use poa perfectly legally
Steve the official part of POA you must know or be given a length of time that you may be delayed. or you know by past experience how long you may be … the OP had none of that information so LEGALY he was un able to book poa…so his only option is break or work so at the end of all this he booked chuffin work and there’s nothing wrong with that .
But he wasn’t doing any work, so why book work? He’s been there long enough that he could’ve had an idea how long a truck would be, as I said in a previous post, a driver takes approx 15 mins to get out of a truck, so that’s 15mins POA from when he’s in the yard, so you could book 15 mins poa when he’s not in the yard followed by another 15 mins poa until he is…
But, if you’re not driving, and not working, then you’re either on break, rest or POA.No wonder drivers are treated like crap with attitudes like these… As someone else said, sit there for 5hrs 30, 15 mins getting truck ready etc, drive out of the gate and have a break?
I sorta understand what the OP is getting at, being on day rate etc, but I’d have still booked either POA or break, the duty time had still started at the same time, so his 13/15 was still doing the same thing.
And doing it by the book is how it should always be done, otherwise nothing is done about the planning of the job - but we all do stuff to suit ourselves.
you’ve missed the point totally fella … the OP was did he have to book POA and the simple answer is NO
His boss says otherwise, so therefore he DOES
not his boss fella and since they didn’t tell him how long maybe the planner /tm /trainer needs training
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nick2008:
not his boss fella and since they didn’t tell him how long maybe the planner /tm /trainer needs training
His driver trainer had been instructed to speak to him and give him lessons on using POA - sounds like instructions from a boss to me.
As I said, think of your 48hr WTD. You’re not bloody working if you’re sat there with a coffee waiting for a truck, and you’re certainly not driving.
10 mins other work whilst booking in and getting told that you’ve not got a truck, then POA or break until the truck arrives. How can it possibly be anything else?
DO you have it it other work whilst being tipped at an RDC where you take no part in the tipping process?
I used to work with a guy on containers who’d have it on other work whilst being tipped, then he’d pull onto the road for a break?? Oh, he’s not working now btw, shocked anyone?
nick2008:
waynedl:
nick2008:
waynedl:
nick2008:
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
LOL yes mikeErm… Because it’s perfectly legal to put it on break, why wouldn’t you?
just because you’re not told how long doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t use poa perfectly legally
Steve the official part of POA you must know or be given a length of time that you may be delayed. or you know by past experience how long you may be … the OP had none of that information so LEGALY he was un able to book poa…so his only option is break or work so at the end of all this he booked chuffin work and there’s nothing wrong with that .
But he wasn’t doing any work, so why book work? He’s been there long enough that he could’ve had an idea how long a truck would be, as I said in a previous post, a driver takes approx 15 mins to get out of a truck, so that’s 15mins POA from when he’s in the yard, so you could book 15 mins poa when he’s not in the yard followed by another 15 mins poa until he is…
But, if you’re not driving, and not working, then you’re either on break, rest or POA.No wonder drivers are treated like crap with attitudes like these… As someone else said, sit there for 5hrs 30, 15 mins getting truck ready etc, drive out of the gate and have a break?
I sorta understand what the OP is getting at, being on day rate etc, but I’d have still booked either POA or break, the duty time had still started at the same time, so his 13/15 was still doing the same thing.
And doing it by the book is how it should always be done, otherwise nothing is done about the planning of the job - but we all do stuff to suit ourselves.
you’ve missed the point totally fella … the OP was did he have to book POA and the simple answer is NO
His boss says otherwise, so therefore he DOES
not his boss fella and since they didn’t tell him how long maybe the planner /tm /trainer needs training
now you’re starting to make sense! If they just fire out a default 1 hour then everybody who wouldn’t dream of recording poa without this accurate piece of information can joint the majority of us in the normal world all in 1 big happy poa party!!
At my previous company, during training, I was told that the minimum time registered on the tacho is 1 minute. Therefore, you know that you will be waiting more than that so due to previous knowledge of waiting for more than a minute you were entitled to use POA.
Bit of a twist of the rule book in my eyes. Keeps wtd down though lol.
have to agree with Wayne. It just common sense surely. Digging your heels in at rules that make no difference to your day is just going to make you unpopular 
waynedl:
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not his boss fella and since they didn’t tell him how long maybe the planner /tm /trainer needs trainingHis driver trainer had been instructed to speak to him and give him lessons on using POA - sounds like instructions from a boss to me.
As I said, think of your 48hr WTD. You’re not bloody working if you’re sat there with a coffee waiting for a truck, and you’re certainly not driving.
10 mins other work whilst booking in and getting told that you’ve not got a truck, then POA or break until the truck arrives. How can it possibly be anything else?
DO you have it it other work whilst being tipped at an RDC where you take no part in the tipping process?
I used to work with a guy on containers who’d have it on other work whilst being tipped, then he’d pull onto the road for a break?? Oh, he’s not working now btw, shocked anyone?
I know what your saying fella and yes we all do it i’m just saying that he did nothing wrong.
George@ASDA driver:
am I still the only one who see POA as my friend??If I go by some of your rules, come week 20 out of 26 they’d be putting me on 40 hour weeks and basic pay to bring my average down!!!
I assuming everyone gets paid for POA■■?
POA is your friend - providing you get paid for it.
If you don’t, you’ll find yourself at work 80+ hours a week but paid for something like 48 of them.
I dunno about everyone else, but I like to be paid from when I go to work to the time I get home again. 
It seems firms like RM that “don’t recognise POA” (meaning they’ll pay for it as “other duty hours” are) will enforce the limits on working weeks and banked hours used for overtime etc etc. The term “POA is a management tool” often comes up in conversation as well.
I’m surprised no firm has “tried it on” yet with someone 14 hours into a shift, and being told “go on POA for 3 hours 'cos you ain’t gonna be back in the next hour!”
This is when I’ll be getting ready to phone the office for someone to “come and get me” by the way… 
Mike-C:
Your duty time starts when you start work. You’re making things up, i’ve never said being at work is not duty. I’m saying its imperative that you do indeed record the correct duty i.e break,POA,other work, driving.
Might be helpful to use the same language as the Regulations do and refer instead to recording the correct mode (or activity). Using the word “duty” seems to have caused a certain amount of misunderstanding.
My firm don’t want there drivers to use POA. They only want us to use it when we have a break down so i use mainly other work and driving mode 
Winseer:
I’m surprised no firm has “tried it on” yet with someone 14 hours into a shift, and being told “go on POA for 3 hours 'cos you ain’t gonna be back in the next hour!”This is when I’ll be getting ready to phone the office for someone to “come and get me” by the way…
what are you on about?? 
mickyblue:
My firm don’t want there drivers to use POA. They only want us to use it when we have a break down so i use mainly other work and driving mode
Apparently co-op do that
stevieboy308:
Winseer:
I’m surprised no firm has “tried it on” yet with someone 14 hours into a shift, and being told “go on POA for 3 hours 'cos you ain’t gonna be back in the next hour!”This is when I’ll be getting ready to phone the office for someone to “come and get me” by the way…
what are you on about??
I was wondering that too Steveieboy… 14hrs into shift, you’ve still only got 1 hr MAX to play with, no matter what you’re doing with that hour, whether it be POA, driving, working, ■■■■■■■■■ rest whatever, you must have at least 9hrs continuous break in the 24hr period from when your duty started, ie if you started at 6am, by 6am the next day you must have done all your work + at least 9hrs rest.
So the only thing you’ll be doing if you’re not going to make it back is sleeping