My point is, there are firms who won’t pay you when broken down 14 hours into a shift.
You’ll be told to get your head down, go off-duty, but you WON’T automatically start being paid again 9 hours hence.
You might be told "Stick your tacho on daily rest just before the 15 hours on duty mark, leave it on rest for the 9 hours (tough ■■■■■ if you cannot actually get a sleep in during this period!) and then you are “available” 9 hours hence, switch to POA, but alas you won’t be considered “on duty” again until wheels are turning, which might not happen at all on day two, if you have a skinflint employer.
“What am I on about”? - Clarification for the hard of thinking:-
(1) 14 hours into shift, Friday night, you break down.
(2) Book off at 14:55 into duty for example, time say, 23:55 hours.
(3) 9 hours “rest” booked
(4) go onto POA at the insistance of boss via phone call. at 09:00 Saturday morning. “Breakdown pickup will be there soon” says he.
(5) All Saturday later (7pm) breakdown finally recovers you and vehicle to home yard, boss tells you to go home, but you won’t receive any money for working well into Saturday, normally your day off, either because you’re salaried or because you don’t get paid for rest breaks and POA. 
Winseer:
My point is, there are firms who won’t pay you when broken down 14 hours into a shift.
You’ll be told to get your head down, go off-duty, but you WON’T automatically start being paid again 9 hours hence.
You might be told "Stick your tacho on daily rest just before the 15 hours on duty mark, leave it on rest for the 9 hours (tough ■■■■■ if you cannot actually get a sleep in during this period!) and then you are “available” 9 hours hence, switch to POA, but alas you won’t be considered “on duty” again until wheels are turning, which might not happen at all on day two, if you have a skinflint employer.
“What am I on about”? - Clarification for the hard of thinking:-
(1) 14 hours into shift, Friday night, you break down.
(2) Book off at 14:55 into duty for example, time say, 23:55 hours.
(3) 9 hours “rest” booked
(4) go onto POA at the insistance of boss via phone call. at 09:00 Saturday morning. “Breakdown pickup will be there soon” says he.
(5) All Saturday later (7pm) breakdown finally recovers you and vehicle to home yard, boss tells you to go home, but you won’t receive any money for working well into Saturday, normally your day off, either because you’re salaried or because you don’t get paid for rest breaks and POA.
crystal clear now!
Where’s the wrecker coming from, Russia?
^^^^^^^^ Around here, it might as well be.
3.5 hours is normal, I’ve been out for a similar period I indicated 3 times in the past decade, which although rare would still be considered a disasterous result if working for the wrong firm. I didn’t get paid, but was excused my duty for the following night. That’s still out for around 36 hours for 15 hours + a day off in lieu (8 hours) pay, thus I’m still losing time. 
There’s also a tendency for wrecker drivers to prefer recovery to yard over roadside repair - despite that roadside repair not being brain surgery to do!
I dunno if this is as a result of “taking the path of least resistance”, being ill-equipped, or it’s the better money-making option for what, after all, is a self-employed private contractor. 
Winseer:
^^^^^^^^ Around here, it might as well be.
3.5 hours is normal, I’ve been out for a similar period I indicated 3 times in the past decade, which although rare would still be considered a disasterous result if working for the wrong firm. I didn’t get paid, but was excused my duty for the following night. That’s still out for around 36 hours for 15 hours + a day off in lieu (8 hours) pay, thus I’m still losing time.
There’s also a tendency for wrecker drivers to prefer recovery to yard over roadside repair - despite that roadside repair not being brain surgery to do!
I dunno if this is as a result of “taking the path of least resistance”, being ill-equipped, or it’s the better money-making option for what, after all, is a self-employed private contractor.
Depends on what’s wrong, if they know what’s wrong before going etc. There’s only so many spare parts you can carry… We used to carry belts and tensioners for dafs as it was a common breakdown, but mostly big stuff went to the dealer or back to the yard.
If memory serves, some wiring under the vehicle had been worn away by the moving parts, causing complete electrical failure. This was advised to them by myself (I’d identified electrical failure, unknown cause) but it still took half a day just to turn up (presumably with the right bits) then the rest of the day before the vehicle was recovered.
Winseer:
If memory serves, some wiring under the vehicle had been worn away by the moving parts, causing complete electrical failure. This was advised to them by myself (I’d identified electrical failure, unknown cause) but it still took half a day just to turn up (presumably with the right bits) then the rest of the day before the vehicle was recovered.
I’d just drag that back, problem with repairing electrical things is if the truck then sets on fire, it was the recovery drivers fault, sod that, let the boys do their job 
I would have been happier with a quicker pickup, since I’d only managed to pull into a bus stop when the electrics went. Hazards not working of course, and my arse is sticking out onto the road a bit.
It was the time it took for them to even get their first time out (A414 hatfield bound, leaving hertford) that annoyed me more than anything.
It’s almost as if someone like the TM told the wrecker crew “Don’t hurry guys, he’s on his own time not mine!” - but of course that may just be my conspiracy sense working overtime as usual. 
Phantom Mark:
Btw just a quick side step, as many drivers have a story to tell on this.
As far as I understand it by the letter of the rules you are not allowed to be planned more than a 13hr shift, the 15’s only exist to help you out of unforeseen circumstances. Right or Wrong ?
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Well in the real world they plan you 3 times 15 hours and 2 or 3 times 13 hour, to the maximum.
I did a 18 and a half hour, shift not long ago.
Its all a bit fishy really.
The 48hour average was a good idea. The UK messed.it up.
I suspect accidents are happening because drivers work like robot the employers expect you to just bang it in POA.
Drivers should record their duty time correctly and if they go over the hours this should be compensated by time if.
If the mobile worker is employed then the time. Will be paid.
Contractually entitled.
Drivers need to with professionally and legally.
Its a big change but its a change that needs to be.
Remember the more units that are available,then the cheaper those units will be.
all time us work time,minus the statutory breaks.
Phantom Mark:
Btw just a quick side step, as many drivers have a story to tell on this.
As far as I understand it by the letter of the rules you are not allowed to be planned more than a 13hr shift, the 15’s only exist to help you out of unforeseen circumstances. Right or Wrong ?
,
Well in the real world they plan you 3 times 15 hours and 2 or 3 times 13 hour, to the maximum.
I did a 18 and a half hour, shift not long ago.
Its all a bit fishy really.
The 48hour average was a good idea. The UK messed.it up.
I suspect accidents are happening because drivers work like robot the employers expect you to just bang it in POA.
Drivers should record their duty time correctly and if they go over the hours this should be compensated by time if.
If the mobile worker is employed then the time. Will be paid.
Contractually entitled.
Drivers need to with professionally and legally.
Its a big change but its a change that needs to be.
Remember the more units that are available,then the cheaper those units will be.
all time us work time,minus the statutory breaks.
Winseer:
I dunno about everyone else, but I like to be paid from when I go to work to the time I get home again.
+1
Time is your most precious asset; don’t give it away for free.