So today I sit in the drivers box waiting for a unit so I can get on and do my run, nobody knows how long I will be.
Started at 13:00 and got a unit at 15:15, got into the unit and did a manual entry to reflect other work whilst I have been waiting.
My run today is mission impossible and I will be massively late regardless of me playing by the rules but then I get a call from the onsite driver trainer to give me lessons in POA and I pointed out nobody could give me an eta so I need a break before seven to cover my Wtd, he agrees but the says in future I MUST enter any time waiting in the drivers room as POA ■■ Wtf ■■
Now had I got a sensible run I would be happy to play the game and get on with the job and “bend” the rules a little at my discretion but I am damned if I will break the rules on their say so to help them give me mission impossible runs !! I have also made a point of doing the bloody speed limit all the way more to highlight that the run is stupid even without a 2hr delay getting my unit.
What do the rules say on POA exactly, and can I be forced to enter that time as POA ?
no you cant .
you must have prior knowledge of your delay either
By being told or informed or
by previous knowledge (ie) you been there before and the company don’t open till 7 and you got there at half 6 or they go to lunch at 12 and knowing they wont touch you till half past (timings are rounded examples only )
Personally I think you were being unnecessarily militant, but then you may have your reasons. as rog said it could of gone down as break, they might just remember when you want an early finish or they need to make someone redundant.
stevieboy308:
Personally I think you were being unnecessarily militant, but then you may have your reasons. as rog said it could of gone down as break, they might just remember when you want an early finish or they need to make someone redundant.
Ignore this you did exactly the right thing,well done if we all did it we might just get somewhere
ROG:
If you get paid for break then book on other work for a few mins then record break until you need to work or drive
but that could still mess up his day Rog and after all he’s still gotta get breaks in also don’t help when we don’t know what the drivers waiting room is like. But I would and have done the same break when I want it.
Now i’m just guessing here but i reckon his trainer is going to show him that leaflet, specifically the bit where it says…
Periods of availability are periods of time during which the mobile worker is not required to remain at their workstation but is required to be available for work, the foreseeable duration of which are known about in advance for example:- . Delays at a distribution centre. .Time spent travelling in the vehicle (only if no work is carried out such as navigating). . Reporting for work then being informed that no duties are to be undertaken for a specified period. .Accompanying a vehicle being transported by boat or train. A PoA can be taken at the workstation. Providing the worker has a reasonable amount of freedom (e.g. they can read and relax) for a known duration, this could satisfy the requirements of a PoA.
You could argue that it is POA because they always make you wait 2 hours before they give you any keys or a job, you certainly cannot take that time as break because you have done nothing else to interrupt.
Let us imagine that the POA is correct, the security guard tells you to park facing the wall, you will be at least 1h.45 before I can get you on Bay 6.
After 45 minutes the supervisor tells you to stick the truck on Bay 3 as he needs two pallets urgently, you have still had 45 minutes POA
Now i’m just guessing here but i reckon his trainer is going to show him that leaflet, specifically the bit where it says…
Periods of availability are periods of time during which the mobile worker is not required to remain at their workstation but is required to be available for work, the foreseeable duration of which are known about in advance for example:- . Delays at a distribution centre. .Time spent travelling in the vehicle (only if no work is carried out such as navigating). . Reporting for work then being informed that no duties are to be undertaken for a specified period. .Accompanying a vehicle being transported by boat or train. A PoA can be taken at the workstation. Providing the worker has a reasonable amount of freedom (e.g. they can read and relax) for a known duration, this could satisfy the requirements of a PoA.
very true mike very true but what happens if they couldnt give him an eta for his run?
ROG:
If you get paid for break then book on other work for a few mins then record break until you need to work or drive
but that could still mess up his day Rog and after all he’s still gotta get breaks in also don’t help when we don’t know what the drivers waiting room is like. But I would and have done the same break when I want it.
How would taking break instead of POA before he starts driving mess up his day ? - please explain
scotstrucker:
very true mike very true but what happens if they couldnt give him an eta for his run?
I’m not 100% certain but i reckon that…“as soon as we’ve got a unit for you”, is as good as “as soon as we’ve got a bay for you”? I don’t really know the answer to his question of can they make him use POA, i’d disagree with Wheelnut that he could not have it as a break as he would have nothing to interupt. To my mind booking on at work and speaking to someone and getting yourself sorted out at the desk is indeed work.
Wheel Nut:
You could argue that it is POA because they always make you wait 2 hours before they give you any keys or a job, you certainly cannot take that time as break because you have done nothing else to interrupt.
Let us imagine that the POA is correct, the security guard tells you to park facing the wall, you will be at least 1h.45 before I can get you on Bay 6.
After 45 minutes the supervisor tells you to stick the truck on Bay 3 as he needs two pallets urgently, you have still had 45 minutes POA
talking to the planner who tells you there is no unit yet - work, boom!
