gggary:
If the company state you will be at least 15 min you are then on poa,regardless of how long the delay is this meets poa criteria.
thought it only counted as poa if it was more than an hour ( could be wrong as my job dont use poa)
Dafman:
I take that back you are correct
who’s correct ■■
ROG:
nick2008:
ROG:
If you get paid for break then book on other work for a few mins then record break until you need to work or drivebut that could still mess up his day Rog and after all he’s still gotta get breaks in also don’t help when we don’t know what the drivers waiting room is like. But I would and have done the same break when I want it.
How would taking break instead of POA before he starts driving mess up his day ? - please explain
Rog you should know vosa takes a dim view of booking on for duty then booking break , and a lot of places I’ve worked for don’t like it and ur not really at break are you
scotstrucker:
gggary:
If the company state you will be at least 15 min you are then on poa,regardless of how long the delay is this meets poa criteria.thought it only counted as poa if it was more than an hour ( could be wrong as my job dont use poa)
gggary. if your told 15 min then only 15 min can be counted then they have to tell you of any extension but by saying an hour you can be called back to your (workstation ) any time within that hour.
scotrucker there is no min amount of time for POA as stated if your told an hour then 5 mins later they change their mind … in this instance would you look up an say " sod that you told me an hour"
Thing is, if you are told to be in work for midday, then you spend 5 minutes going to the office, and being told of your duties and being told THERE IS NO TRUCK FOR YOU YET, you are on duty. From 12.05 you should be on PoA unless you have been told you will not be required for x amount of time which no matter what, even if it’s 5 minutes into your shift can be a break. VOSA can say what they like but you are doing it correctly and that’s that. If they say they don’t know when a wagon will be available for you to drive then you are available for work. PoA is your only option.
Screw POA, I’m either driving, doing other work, on break or on rest.
Ok look, normally I play the game, I am not militant, however I refuse to grease the very pole they are about to insert up my backside.
To accomplish this run I would need to be flat out, breaks on bays bending all the rules, and like I said, to help grease the pole, I am on day rate btw so I am sure some will understand what pole I am on about when your gonna be pushing 13 or 14 plus when doing it all flat out.
Sat currently taking my second 30m break to clear my driving. Just finished tipping, By the book. Will then ring up and see if they pull the unrealistic part of my run off me or not.
Kerbdog:
Thing is, if you are told to be in work for midday, then you spend 5 minutes going to the office, and being told of your duties and being told THERE IS NO TRUCK FOR YOU YET, you are on duty. From 12.05 you should be on PoA unless you have been told you will not be required for x amount of time which no matter what, even if it’s 5 minutes into your shift can be a break. VOSA can say what they like but you are doing it correctly and that’s that. If they say they don’t know when a wagon will be available for you to drive then you are available for work. PoA is your only option.
why is POA your only option there , you can just use work as sald …
on the other hand who says that you MUST and WILL use POA…?
Phantom Mark:
Ok look, normally I play the game, I am not militant, however I refuse to grease the very pole they are about to insert up my backside.To accomplish this run I would need to be flat out, breaks on bays bending all the rules, and like I said, to help grease the pole, I am on day rate btw so I am sure some will understand what pole I am on about when your gonna be pushing 13 or 14 plus when doing it all flat out.
Good on you for standing your ground . If more drivers did that the job might be better
A couple of posts make perfect sense here but completely contradict each other, more confused than when I started !!
Btw just a quick side step, as many drivers have a story to tell on this.
As far as I understand it by the letter of the rules you are not allowed to be planned more than a 13hr shift, the 15’s only exist to help you out of unforeseen circumstances. Right or Wrong ?
bobbya:
stevieboy308:
Personally I think you were being unnecessarily militant, but then you may have your reasons. as rog said it could of gone down as break, they might just remember when you want an early finish or they need to make someone redundant.Ignore this you did exactly the right thing,well done if we all did it we might just get somewhere
Exactly, why should he bend over ffs 
, just to be sure not to upset them and they find a way to ■■■■ him off 
, he’s got the rules on his side for once, he has done right, it aint militant, it’s looking after his own interests and trying to ensure he doesn’t get shafted again.
Phantom Mark:
Btw just a quick side step, as many drivers have a story to tell on this.As far as I understand it by the letter of the rules you are not allowed to be planned more than a 13hr shift, the 15’s only exist to help you out of unforeseen circumstances. Right or Wrong ?
Wrong. HTH.
nick2008:
you can just use work as sald …
on the other hand who says that you MUST and WILL use POA…?
Yes you could (sorry I worded my post wrong, a bit misleading - I meant out of the 2 options being spoken about (POA or Break)). However, if he waits 3 hours for a vehicle (on work) then he restricts himself to doing 3 hours work before a WTD break of 15 mins. Whereas if he is on POA from 12.05 then he can do till 9pm before having a 30 min break.
The other problem he may encounter is the Total number of hours worked at the end of the week(s) according to the WTD which he wouldn’t on PoA mode !
Kerbdog:
nick2008:
you can just use work as sald …
on the other hand who says that you MUST and WILL use POA…?Yes you could (sorry I worded my post wrong, a bit misleading - I meant out of the 2 options being spoken about (POA or Break)). However, if he waits 3 hours for a vehicle (on work) then he restricts himself to doing 3 hours work before a WTD break of 15 mins. Whereas if he is on POA from 12.05 then he can do till 9pm before having a 30 min break.
The other problem he may encounter is the Total number of hours worked at the end of the week(s) according to the WTD which he wouldn’t on PoA mode !
agreed
Just rung in and my second part of this silly run has been dropped, result.
Tbh the night planners seem much more realistic !!
If you could start moving a vehicle any minute, then you can’t be on POA.
If stuck in a regular traffic jam for example, you don’t book any.
If plod comes upto you and says “You’ll be stationary for 2-3 hours 'cos the road is blocked RTA” then you CAN book it.
“In the yard waiting for a tractor” could come right any minute, so cannot be booked.
If the TM said “Go wait in the waiting room or in your cab, you’ll not be going anywhere for 2 hours regardless of what’s ready or not” then that technically would qualify, but the scenario seems so unlikely as to not apply anyway. 
You must be free to "dispose of your time as you see fit. eg. “read a newspaper” so in terms of what you can do, there’s little difference between POA and an extra “grace break”.
Personally, I don’t book any unless I KNOW I’m going to be held up for at least half an hour, with no chance of anyone asking me to move on in that time. 
Winseer:
If you could start moving a vehicle any minute, then you can’t be on POA.If stuck in a regular traffic jam for example, you don’t book any.
If plod comes upto you and says “You’ll be stationary for 2-3 hours 'cos the road is blocked RTA” then you CAN book it.“In the yard waiting for a tractor” could come right any minute, so cannot be booked.
If the TM said “Go wait in the waiting room or in your cab, you’ll not be going anywhere for 2 hours regardless of what’s ready or not” then that technically would qualify, but the scenario seems so unlikely as to not apply anyway.
You must be free to "dispose of your time as you see fit. eg. “read a newspaper” so in terms of what you can do, there’s little difference between POA and an extra “grace break”.
Personally, I don’t book any unless I KNOW I’m going to be held up for at least half an hour, with no chance of anyone asking me to move on in that time.
that’s Rest not break
Sounds like Browns, or what was Browns 
I told `em to fornicate with themselves after 3 weekends
Phantom Mark:
Btw just a quick side step, as many drivers have a story to tell on this.As far as I understand it by the letter of the rules you are not allowed to be planned more than a 13hr shift, the 15’s only exist to help you out of unforeseen circumstances. Right or Wrong ?
They can plan you what they like, if you can get it done legally is a different matter.
If you felt the need to put your foot down about this and book it as other work, could you question whether your working for the right company?