If the OP gets to work at 13:00 and cant get a unit until 15:15 then who’s faults that? its certainly not the OPs fault!
Someone must have told the OP a 13:00 start time? or else why would anyone go to work 2:15hrs early
OP original poster
Phantom Mark:
Thing is Nick whilst I may be technically right in what I did nobody likes a smart arse and as Mike showed on page 1 in the PDF if they want to get smart the rules are more on their side than mine, better to just wind my neck I a little and accept it with the best cream possible whilst pleading for them to insert it gently.
we all play the game but you were right in what you did though. the way Mike -C puts it your not on duty 
even though you were so would he be saying you could do a 15 from the time you got ur truck think not.
Happy Truckin fella
chester:
If the OP gets to work at 13:00 and cant get a unit until 15:15 then who’s faults that? its certainly not the OPs fault!Someone must have told the OP a 13:00 start time? or else why would anyone go to work 2:15hrs early
OP original poster
But according to Mike-c that’s not duty being there at 1300 waiting till 15.15 if it aint duty what the flying fish is it
nick2008:
chester:
If the OP gets to work at 13:00 and cant get a unit until 15:15 then who’s faults that? its certainly not the OPs fault!Someone must have told the OP a 13:00 start time? or else why would anyone go to work 2:15hrs early
OP original poster
But according to Mike-c that’s not duty being there at 1300 waiting till 15.15 if it aint duty what the flying fish is it
can ya point it out to me where mike says that the waiting time is not on duty please?
chester:
If the OP gets to work at 13:00 and cant get a unit until 15:15 then who’s faults that? its certainly not the OPs fault!Someone must have told the OP a 13:00 start time? or else why would anyone go to work 2:15hrs early
OP original poster
no one is saying it’s his fault. It’s not exactly a one off in this industry to go in and have to wait for a unit, some firms will have a spare man come in and potentially do nothing all shift.
it happens on hourly pay as well as day rate, it’s gonna ■■■■ you off more if you’re on a day rate, but that’s the rough with the smooth.
And unless your contract states otherwise, when taking a job on salary / day rate then you need to be happy with the money in the worst case scenario - 3x15 and 2x13 for a 5 day week (or 2 split rests) and 60 working hours averaging 48.
discoman:
stevieboy308:
robroy:
bobbya:
stevieboy308:
Personally I think you were being unnecessarily militant, but then you may have your reasons. as rog said it could of gone down as break, they might just remember when you want an early finish or they need to make someone redundant.Ignore this you did exactly the right thing,well done if we all did it we might just get somewhere
Exactly, why should he bend over ffs
, he’s got the rules on his side for once, he has done right, it aint militant, it’s looking after his own interests and trying to ensure he doesn’t get shafted again.
he could of legally put it down as break, why is that bending over?
what happens if someone was sat there 5h15m, say it takes him 30 mins to find the wagon, couple up, checks etc, 15 minutes out of the gate - sorry lads i’m downing tools for a break
what about if someone is sat there for 5h59m, planner turns up with the keys, sorry fella i’m on a break in a minute
ok, so this driver has been sat there for 5 hours on poa waiting for a truck he is not free to take a break as it could come in at any moment and be expected to take the motor out, so has every right to take a break.
poa doesn’t rack up working time, so a break to satisfy the 6 hour rule wont be needed. you don’t need to know the length of time you’ll be sat there to take a break, so you could have a break to get the 6 hour break out of the way
poa has evolved to meet the needs of transport…like a chamelion.
first it was waiting time…pure and simple.then it became waiting time (known in advance)…then it became a grey area,before reverting back to waiting time again.
am I still the only one who see POA as my friend??
If I go by some of your rules, come week 20 out of 26 they’d be putting me on 40 hour weeks and basic pay to bring my average down!!!
I assuming everyone gets paid for POA■■?
I’ve not read it all as it got a bit boring tbh.
You book on, you’ve got no truck, you go and sit in a canteen. How is that NOT POA or break?
You’re not driving and you’re not working, so it’s either break or POA by definition?
POA can be done by notified ETA or by experience. If you know that when a truck returns, a driver takes 15 mins to get his stuff out and he has to fuel which takes another 10 mins, that’s 25 mins POA, and it’s reset everytime the truck isn’t in the yard, so is the truck in the yard? No, 25mins POA, 25 mins later is the truck in the yard etc…
If I get to a job and there’s no truck, I record POA, as others have said, it keeps my WTD down, and keeps everyone happy.
waynedl:
I’ve not read it all as it got a bit boring tbh.If I get to a job and there’s no truck, I record POA, as others have said, it keeps my WTD down, and keeps everyone happy.
not just me then
George@ASDA driver:
am I still the only one who see POA as my friend??If I go by some of your rules, come week 20 out of 26 they’d be putting me on 40 hour weeks and basic pay to bring my average down!!!
I assuming everyone gets paid for POA■■?
No, it’s mine too, I can get paid for 60 hours a week and stay under 48 hour average 
. The only annoying thing is the bloody resetting of driving time on the tacho.
MADBAZ:
George@ASDA driver:
am I still the only one who see POA as my friend??
The only annoying thing is the bloody resetting of driving time on the tacho.
yeah, that is an absolute pain in the arse!!! I use the driving time on the trip computer as a 2nd time keeper
George@ASDA driver:
I assuming everyone gets paid for POA■■?
Come April we won’t be. Will be on a salary based on 48hours WTD so no credit for POA or breaks. Can you see why I will be minimising the un-credited/unpaid time I attend at work?
Wiretwister:
George@ASDA driver:
I assuming everyone gets paid for POA■■?Come April we won’t be. Will be on a salary based on 48hours WTD so no credit for POA or breaks. Can you see why I will be minimising the un-credited/unpaid time I attend at work?
if it’s unpaid, then yes, totally.
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
chester:
If the OP gets to work at 13:00 and cant get a unit until 15:15 then who’s faults that? its certainly not the OPs fault!Someone must have told the OP a 13:00 start time? or else why would anyone go to work 2:15hrs early
OP original poster
But according to Mike-c that’s not duty being there at 1300 waiting till 15.15 if it aint duty what the flying fish is it
can ya point it out to me where mike says that the waiting time is not on duty please?
Nick, you realise its an offence to record a duty when you’re not doing it. So if the OP recorded ‘other work’, could you describe this work to me. As far as i can see sitting on your arse waiting to go to work is going to be either break or POA. Now if you think not working and waiting to go to work is actually working that might explain why we are where we are !!
so recordeing duty starts when
nick2008:
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
chester:
If the OP gets to work at 13:00 and cant get a unit until 15:15 then who’s faults that? its certainly not the OPs fault!Someone must have told the OP a 13:00 start time? or else why would anyone go to work 2:15hrs early
OP original poster
But according to Mike-c that’s not duty being there at 1300 waiting till 15.15 if it aint duty what the flying fish is it
can ya point it out to me where mike says that the waiting time is not on duty please?
Nick, you realise its an offence to record a duty when you’re not doing it. So if the OP recorded ‘other work’, could you describe this work to me. As far as i can see sitting on your arse waiting to go to work is going to be either break or POA. Now if you think not working and waiting to go to work is actually working that might explain why we are where we are !!
so recordeing duty starts when
still can’t see it.
at 1300, the start of the shift, other work for when you speak to the planner, when he’s finished telling you there’s no truck i’d record break or poa
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
chester:
If the OP gets to work at 13:00 and cant get a unit until 15:15 then who’s faults that? its certainly not the OPs fault!Someone must have told the OP a 13:00 start time? or else why would anyone go to work 2:15hrs early
OP original poster
But according to Mike-c that’s not duty being there at 1300 waiting till 15.15 if it aint duty what the flying fish is it
can ya point it out to me where mike says that the waiting time is not on duty please?
Duty is Duty no matter what your doing which includes Work POA Driving or Break. the only thing that does not come under duty is REST
Nick, you realise its an offence to record a duty when you’re not doing it. So if the OP recorded ‘other work’, could you describe this work to me. As far as i can see sitting on your arse waiting to go to work is going to be either break or POA. Now if you think not working and waiting to go to work is actually working that might explain why we are where we are !!
so recordeing duty starts when
still can’t see it.
at 1300, the start of the shift, other work for when you speak to the planner, when he’s finished telling you there’s no truck i’d record break or poa
nick2008:
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
stevieboy308:
nick2008:
chester:
If the OP gets to work at 13:00 and cant get a unit until 15:15 then who’s faults that? its certainly not the OPs fault!Someone must have told the OP a 13:00 start time? or else why would anyone go to work 2:15hrs early
OP original poster
But according to Mike-c that’s not duty being there at 1300 waiting till 15.15 if it aint duty what the flying fish is it
can ya point it out to me where mike says that the waiting time is not on duty please?
Duty is Duty no matter what your doing which includes Work POA Driving or Break. the only thing that does not come under duty is REST
Nick, you realise its an offence to record a duty when you’re not doing it. So if the OP recorded ‘other work’, could you describe this work to me. As far as i can see sitting on your arse waiting to go to work is going to be either break or POA. Now if you think not working and waiting to go to work is actually working that might explain why we are where we are !!
so recordeing duty starts when
still can’t see it.
at 1300, the start of the shift, other work for when you speak to the planner, when he’s finished telling you there’s no truck i’d record break or poa
duty, as in driving / other work / poa / break
exactly, he’s saying if you record a duty that you’re not doing, it’s an offence - as in record a break when you’re tipping the load.
he didn’t say you’re not on duty if you’re waiting for a truck like you said he did
Sorry but all bugerkings posts are sort of posts that provoke a reply. Sorry Troll springs to mind
nick2008:
But according to Mike-c that’s not duty being there at 1300 waiting till 15.15 if it aint duty what the flying fish is it
Your duty time starts when you start work. You’re making things up, i’ve never said being at work is not duty. I’m saying its imperative that you do indeed record the correct duty i.e break,POA,other work, driving.
I’ve a sketch in my head of five guys sat in a rdc waiting room having a chat…
first one to the others…“what mode you on? I’m on break”.
second one…“me too”.
Third one…“i’m on POA”.
Fourth one…“i’m on other work”
Fifth one…“i’m on driving” (sits there waving his hands side to side like he’s driving and making the brum brum sound !!)“i’m not tossing the job off like you lot !”
You ever drove in the waiting room Nick ? 