Kerbdog:
However, if he waits 3 hours for a vehicle (on work) then he restricts himself to doing 3 hours work before a WTD break of 15 mins. Whereas if he is on POA from 12.05 then he can do till 9pm before having a 30 min break.
Confused - I thought that POA didn’t count as break or rest, and therefore a break would still be required before 6 hours of start of duty? I stand to be corrected…
A break must start within 6 working hours and since POA does not count as working hours it effectively stops the working hours clock. It can count as break if your card in in the second driver slot while the vehicle is in motion.
Whats the difference between “POA” and “other work”?
Surely if you are at a place of work, subject to work rules, terms conditions etc…you are at work?
Kerbdog:
However, if he waits 3 hours for a vehicle (on work) then he restricts himself to doing 3 hours work before a WTD break of 15 mins. Whereas if he is on POA from 12.05 then he can do till 9pm before having a 30 min break.
Confused - I thought that POA didn’t count as break or rest, and therefore a break would still be required before 6 hours of start of duty? I stand to be corrected…
A break must start within 6 working hours and since POA does not count as working hours it effectively stops the working hours clock. It can count as break if your card in in the second driver slot while the vehicle is in motion.
BillyMac:
Whats the difference between “POA” and “other work”?
Surely if you are at a place of work, subject to work rules, terms conditions etc…you are at work?
other work is any work that is carried out other than driving a vehicle that needs the driving to be recorded as driving
poa is when you’re available to do work, but not actually doing anything
Bking:
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Thank god i served my time,keep on trukin suckers.
Making assumptions with little discernible logic. What does it matter the type of work I do (you can find out with barely minimal research using the search facility). Using the ranting on this thread as a hint can I ask; is the B in your user name short for burger?
More like Bull zb King , let’s recap his opinions , The law is horsecrap, VOSA don’t decide when he has breaks…he does, we are all full of [zb], bloody morons, dumb zbers, numpties, braindead a/holes, and we should all leave the job…oh especially the Tesco zbers who deliver chickens and don’t go over 200ks, and we talk zb , where as on the whole all he says is right … we ALL know zb all basically …this guy is deffo on a wind up, I mean if he is serious and for real he has got problems, I reckon he should become a DCPC instructor’ I for one would pay to hear is wisdom and philosophies just for the laugh, he even wrote off the entire British Army as amateurs and numpties on another thread …yeh! a definite wind up
So VOSA decide when I have a break!!! What a Zb Zb ker you are love to meet you bet you have a really sweet handshake.X
Thank you for your educated opinion on me being a Zb Zb ker , I’m flattered that you would “love to meet me” I suspect the handshake is a hint that you think you have determined my ■■■■■■■■■ now… BASED ON MY OPIONIONS ON THE LAW AND DRIVERS HOURS , sorry to dissapoint you but I am not that way inclined so I will decline the invitation, but feel free to try some of the others on here, but seriously …Thanks anyway!
Not sure if I’ve dreamt this…so apologies if I have.
I’m sure he said he was on a day rate (can’t find this bit now), what would he have done if he was getting paid from booking in by the hour? A couple of hours not recorded on his card and then a 14 hour shift? That’s what I’d have done, but we’re all different!
Fileep:
Not sure if I’ve dreamt this…so apologies if I have.
I’m sure he said he was on a day rate (can’t find this bit now), what would he have done if he was getting paid from booking in by the hour? A couple of hours not recorded on his card and then a 14 hour shift? That’s what I’d have done, but we’re all different!
4th from bottom on the 1st page.
I book on from the time given by the transport office clerk and the clock runs from then, I see no good reason to give my time for free. Now if I am called at home to start say 2 hours later then I’ll do that because I can use that time for my choice of activity but don’t ask me to create a false record which can be checked against gate time, tag on time. I’ve long ago learned that the only person you can truly rely on, to be on your side, is you.
nick2008:
Going back to what the OP did , There was nothing wrong with what you did fella , Crack on
Nick, you realise its an offence to record a duty when you’re not doing it. So if the OP recorded ‘other work’, could you describe this work to me. As far as i can see sitting on your arse waiting to go to work is going to be either break or POA. Now if you think not working and waiting to go to work is actually working that might explain why we are where we are !!
Phantom Mark:
I think this thread just proves how vague legitimate POA and Breaks are.
I million different interpretations and opinions on what essentially is supposed to be rules written in stone.
Utter load of Bullshine.
I think the only thing you can do is appeal to your employers reasonable side and state your case and circumstance as applicable to you relevant situation and hope they see it your way, if they don’t your basically screwed is what I’m understanding here.
There is a grey area here between breaks and poa, but there’s no grey area between break/poa and other work. At least to my own mind. But i think your biggest problem and its the one that got you going with the post is…what is a day. You’ve said you’re paid a day rate. You’ve asked can some one plan you for 13 or 15 hours. If you would have sorted out exactly what your day rate entails this would of answered your question for you.
Its probably not a question that would of come up if you where paid £200 per day, but its a question that might come up if you’re paid £80 a day. All these facts will make the regulations a lot easier to interpret.
ROG:
Book it as other work but if not working then that could be deemed as not correctly recording what is being done
If you have started a shift you are at work, that starts the clock. If you sat around for what ever reason unable to do anything, probably beyond your control, why should you not get paid? You could sit all day because of A N Others ■■■■ up/malice/incompetence and get no reward. Nope not for me. As for not booking correctly I will be booking to the legal requirements, (POA is a legal option not a mandate) it may not suit the company but then many things don’t suit the company and they seem to survive.
POA is [zb].Are you some kind of bloody Moron all you are doing(if you do a proper job not a Tesco/Sainsburys/Asda) bloody steering wheel attendent is making it more likely you will get weekended,out of time,ZB up because of your own bloody stupidity.
Let the diks who deliver frozen chickens and drive 6 mile a day use their POA might be good for them,they do ZB all anyway,but dont load this crap onto folk who dont mind doing an honest days work.
And if you will sit for hours on end in a truck,office,canteen and because you got tacho on break you dont get paid then you really are a sadder bunch of priks than I ever imagined .
Thank god i served my time,keep on trukin suckers.
He’s not even doing the chuffing job yet has the gaul to come on here and have a pop, tell you what mate go sign on or collect your pension or w/e it is you are doing seeing as you’ve “served your time”, or do you mean in nick for all the time you ran bent in your years as a “trucker” you’re pathetic, the bloke has been chinned off by his company who prob don’t give to flying’s if he has to wait 1, 2 or 3 hrs for a unit because he’s on day rate, in fact I have worked as a transport clerk in the past for 4 years and they probably found it funny making him wait, so why should he go out his way and use the rules to the companies advantage when it’s their fault he is sat waiting■■?
We go to work to live and earn as many £ in the shortest time possible, and the way I see it is he did 11.5hrs on duty rather than a 15 for the same pay, where as you would have done the 15 right!
nick2008:
Going back to what the OP did , There was nothing wrong with what you did fella , Crack on
Nick, you realise its an offence to record a duty when you’re not doing it. So if the OP recorded ‘other work’, could you describe this work to me. As far as i can see sitting on your arse waiting to go to work is going to be either break or POA. Now if you think not working and waiting to go to work is actually working that might explain why we are where we are !!
The way I was taught using the DVLA handbook was that POA can only be recorded if you have been told how long the delay is likely to be and/or you know from past experience that it will be an hour (say store doesn’t open till 7am and you arrive at 6am) other than that it should go down as other work, now the driver never said he was told a time on how long it would be for his unit, I suppose he could have used his initiative a little and asked will it be over x y or z and then recorded it as POA but why should he, he is on day rate, if they can’t max him out that’s their problem.
Actually I said there was NO ETA on the unit, which is why after 2hrs I elected not to grease the pole which was about to be shafted up my backside and entered it as other work, at no point after asking a few times was I given an eta.
Anyway, let’s all calm down, we have a few different POV’s here now, and some more interpretations of those rules, like I said before, which can be bent to either sides defence depending which side of the fence you stand, in all honesty I believe the company trainer has more legs to stand on than me when he is insisting I use POA, I won’t let it cost me my job at the end of the day, I came for information to use and now I need to use it, whether I like it or not.
nick2008:
Going back to what the OP did , There was nothing wrong with what you did fella , Crack on
Nick, you realise its an offence to record a duty when you’re not doing it. So if the OP recorded ‘other work’, could you describe this work to me. As far as i can see sitting on your arse waiting to go to work is going to be either break or POA. Now if you think not working and waiting to go to work is actually working that might explain why we are where we are !!
READ IT AGAIN , The OP was at his place of work
Started at 13:00 and got a unit at 15:15
He had arrived and was told NO UNIT for him at that time so he would have to wait but was NOT TOLD HOW LONG HE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT,
Mike -C where is he NOT on duty then and how is my post WRONG■■? WHO says he has to book POA ? and why should he book BREAK >>>> HE is at work waiting for a vehicle for an unspecified time … so that cant be POA
Thing is Nick whilst I may be technically right in what I did nobody likes a smart arse and as Mike showed on page 1 in the PDF if they want to get smart the rules are more on their side than mine, better to just wind my neck I a little and accept it with the best cream possible whilst pleading for them to insert it gently.
