That is exactly the issue.
My run involved 2 collections where I loaded myself, and then a self tip, I would have gone from 13:00 until at least 21:30 without a proper “do wtf I want to do” break.
stevieboy308:
robroy:
bobbya:
stevieboy308:
Personally I think you were being unnecessarily militant, but then you may have your reasons. as rog said it could of gone down as break, they might just remember when you want an early finish or they need to make someone redundant.Ignore this you did exactly the right thing,well done if we all did it we might just get somewhere
Exactly, why should he bend over ffs
, just to be sure not to upset them and they find a way to ■■■■ him off
, he’s got the rules on his side for once, he has done right, it aint militant, it’s looking after his own interests and trying to ensure he doesn’t get shafted again.
he could of legally put it down as break, why is that bending over?
what happens if someone was sat there 5h15m, say it takes him 30 mins to find the wagon, couple up, checks etc, 15 minutes out of the gate - sorry lads i’m downing tools for a break
what about if someone is sat there for 5h59m, planner turns up with the keys, sorry fella i’m on a break in a minute
ok, so this driver has been sat there for 5 hours on poa waiting for a truck he is not free to take a break as it could come in at any moment and be expected to take the motor out, so has every right to take a break.
discoman:
so this driver has been sat there for 5 hours on poa waiting for a truck he is not free to take a break as it could come in at any moment
That is illogical !!
What is to stop the driver starting a break and then stopping it when the vehicle arrives ?
Break is simply not working or driving - if it was rest then that would be different
To be fair I do not class a break as sitting in pokey waiting room on crap seats listing to drivers go on about chalk and cones for hours on end and then be expected at a moments notice to drop everything to jump into a unit and do another 6 hours straight without a break, besides my original question was what defines official POA and can and should I be forced to enter the above scenario as POA as directed by the site trainer ?
Just why should a driver be expected to put his tacho ‘on break’ (and to have at least part of that break count as ‘stopped time’ ) during what is actually ‘waiting time’ for a vehicle or load to become available, in order to fit in with load planning requirements?
Are we saying that a driver is not entitled to the same sort of recuperation that a fitter or factory worker enjoys a sensible time after reporting for duty?
It may not be particularly physically demanding sitting squashed up on a bench seat with twenty other people in the room talking the usual load of B/sh for three hours. It is however tiring to endure and does not leave one suitably alert to drive and work etc for another six hours uninterupted.
Six hours after ‘sign on’ should be the latest when a proper break begins.
ROG:
discoman:
so this driver has been sat there for 5 hours on poa waiting for a truck he is not free to take a break as it could come in at any momentThat is illogical !!
What is to stop the driver starting a break and then stopping it when the vehicle arrives ?
Break is simply not working or driving - if it was rest then that would be different
Luxury for some, purgatory for many.
The minimum requirement for break should be the ability to kick your boots off, scratch your own knackers whilst wearing a t shirt.
Would a religious type be made welcome in that room if he opened up his copy of the Bible or the Koran?
What a driver regards as reasonable conditions for a break has nothing to do with the regulations
If a driver does not get paid for recorded breaks then that will obviously have a big influence on what gets recorded
I think this thread just proves how vague legitimate POA and Breaks are.
I million different interpretations and opinions on what essentially is supposed to be rules written in stone.
Utter load of Bullshine.
I think the only thing you can do is appeal to your employers reasonable side and state your case and circumstance as applicable to you relevant situation and hope they see it your way, if they don’t your basically screwed is what I’m understanding here.
Wheel Nut:
ROG:
discoman:
so this driver has been sat there for 5 hours on poa waiting for a truck he is not free to take a break as it could come in at any momentThat is illogical !!
What is to stop the driver starting a break and then stopping it when the vehicle arrives ?
Break is simply not working or driving - if it was rest then that would be different
Luxury for some, purgatory for many.
The minimum requirement for break should be the ability to kick your boots off, scratch your own knackers whilst wearing a t shirt.
Would a religious type be made welcome in that room if he opened up his copy of the Bible or the Koran?
spot the pole■■?
Phantom Mark:
To be fair I do not class a break as sitting in pokey waiting room on crap seats listing to drivers go on about chalk and cones for hours on end and then be expected at a moments notice to drop everything to jump into a unit and do another 6 hours straight without a break, besides my original question was what defines official POA and can and should I be forced to enter the above scenario as POA as directed by the site trainer ?[/quote
No want to sit in some pokey little soddin cab and pretend your a real trucker eh!And how the (zb) are you going to go 6 hours without a break you already sat on your asss doin bugger all on pay for 2 hours.
Then there is this “breaking the law” tripe. I decide wheather Im on a break or not,not some jumped up jobsworth bloody VOSA man.If I want to sit in a cab or a room ,read a book,even have an ham shank its sod all to do with some petty government official to tell me Im “not on a break”.And who is this “site trainer” some jumped up pillock with a hgv(maybe) and a few hours sat in a class room.
Numpties at our place sit outside a drop for three hours doing sod all ,tip for 20 minutes then pull out and have a soddin three quarter break.Jesus what a bunch of brain dead idle a/holes!Either do the job or get the hell out of it and give some bugger with a bit of brain and more go than a sick note a chance of employment.
Next time I go on a break down and the pillock wants to get home Im going to pull up in the van and sit there for 45.When the numpty asks me what Im doing going to say was on POA for two hours at work drinkin coffee so now I got to have my WTD break Its the law you know.What a load crap.
the main issue here…is that mark`s run was no longer possible,due to the fact he was waiting for a unit 
commonrail:
the main issue here…is that mark`s run was no longer possible,due to the fact he was waiting for a unit
So inform us of this epic bloody run Paris,Milan,New bloody york?
What bloody driving hours had he used sat on his asss in a coffee room?
What the ZB is wrong with you people?
You want a 9 -5 job go drive a soddin desk and let others enjoy the job ,both the rough bits and the smooth and stop trying to ZB every body else up.
ROG:
If you get paid for break then book on other work for a few mins then record break until you need to work or drive
If you don’t get paid for break or POA?
dont know the exact details of the run....or how much time was available(13 or 15) im just taking what mark said to be true.
as it happened his run did get shortened,so it looks like he was on the mark.
i used to work for a firm that would put the run time on the trip sheet…if it was a 14 hour job,and i had already been waiting 3 hours…then you don`t have to be a genius to figure it aint happening
unless,of course…you falsify your manual entry.
weve all had the"you didnt put your card in till x o`clock" planners…but i say ■■■■ em
commonrail:
dont know the exact details of the run....or how much time was available(13 or 15) im just taking what mark said to be true.
as it happened his run did get shortened,so it looks like he was on the mark.i used to work for a firm that would put the run time on the trip sheet…if it was a 14 hour job,and i had already been waiting 3 hours…then you don`t have to be a genius to figure it aint happening
unless,of course…you falsify your manual entry
Why go out at all for ZB sake there might be an accident on the M6 and I wont ever get home (sob) for christ sake man.
Once went to a union meeting and some rootin tootin “truck driver” turns to your man and say and what do I tell my little lad when Im not home in a morning to kiss him goodbye before he goes to schooll. Jesus for ZB ZB Zbs sake?How that transport manager held his face I will never know I just gurgled like a bloody drain!!!
Thats when I went back repairing the bloody things,I just couldnt stand that rough tough world that you truck drivers live in !!!
yep… you do get ■■■■ takers,but at the end of the day…rules is rules
commonrail:
yep… you do get ■■■■ takers,but at the end of the day…rules is rules
Yes MY rules not some jumped up pricks rules.As long as I abide by EU tachograph law they can pull their face all they ZBin like.Some plod or VOSA monkey pulls me Im straight the trucks straight and happy days.Dont need some jumped up dik who up to 2 or 3 years ago worked in a bloody warehouse, took his hgv ,kissed ■■■ ,listened to a load off horse crap and now miraculously becomes the font of all ZBin knowledge even though the SOB dont know a triaxle from a rigid.WAY too much SB in this job now and it sounds like your a bit of a bull protaganist yourself dear.
Bking:
No want to sit in some pokey little soddin cab and pretend your a real trucker eh!And how the (zb) are you going to go 6 hours without a break you already sat on your asss doin bugger all on pay for 2 hours.
Then there is this “breaking the law” tripe. I decide wheather Im on a break or not,not some jumped up jobsworth bloody VOSA man.If I want to sit in a cab or a room ,read a book,even have an ham shank its sod all to do with some petty government official to tell me Im “not on a break”.And who is this “site trainer” some jumped up pillock with a hgv(maybe) and a few hours sat in a class room.
Numpties at our place sit outside a drop for three hours doing sod all ,tip for 20 minutes then pull out and have a soddin three quarter break.Jesus what a bunch of brain dead idle a/holes!
Either do the job or get the hell out of it and give some bugger with a bit of brain and more go than a sick note a chance of employment.
Next time I go on a break down and the pillock wants to get home Im going to pull up in the van and sit there for 45.When the numpty asks me what Im doing going to say was on POA for two hours at work drinkin coffee so now I got to have my WTD break Its the law you know.What a load crap.
Have you had a bad day mate?? it wasn’t his fault he had to sit for x number of hours, so why should he have to teararse around doing a 15 hour day or whatever because the planner (who has gone home ) has zbd up. If as you say you enjoy the crap that the job brings thats up to you, but the “brain dead idle a/holes” you speak of are maybe sick of all the said crap, and/or have a good reason to have their proper break, maybe using the rules which usually shaft them to THEIR advantage for once,…who knows?, and at least they are postponing their first heart attack by not teararsing around like some nut jobs. You say if you don’t like this that and the other get another job etc etc, where as some don’t automatically bend over and take it up the arse. Maybe if a lot more drivers stood up to what they thought was unreasonable, the job would not be as ■■■■ as it is, but theres always somebody who will do anything they are told.
calm down superman…straight is all i ask 
robroy:
Bking:
No want to sit in some pokey little soddin cab and pretend your a real trucker eh!And how the (zb) are you going to go 6 hours without a break you already sat on your asss doin bugger all on pay for 2 hours.
Then there is this “breaking the law” tripe. I decide wheather Im on a break or not,not some jumped up jobsworth bloody VOSA man.If I want to sit in a cab or a room ,read a book,even have an ham shank its sod all to do with some petty government official to tell me Im “not on a break”.And who is this “site trainer” some jumped up pillock with a hgv(maybe) and a few hours sat in a class room.
Numpties at our place sit outside a drop for three hours doing sod all ,tip for 20 minutes then pull out and have a soddin three quarter break.Jesus what a bunch of brain dead idle a/holes!
Either do the job or get the hell out of it and give some bugger with a bit of brain and more go than a sick note a chance of employment.
Next time I go on a break down and the pillock wants to get home Im going to pull up in the van and sit there for 45.When the numpty asks me what Im doing going to say was on POA for two hours at work drinkin coffee so now I got to have my WTD break Its the law you know.What a load crap.
Heart attack now you takin the prooverbial.Only reason a truck driver gets a heart attack nowadays is cause of sittin on his fat ■■■ and eatin crap.And how the ZB do you tearass round at 56? Your like the rest full of ■■■■■ man