“Look at me my truck does 56 and yours only does 55, my knobs’ bigger than your knob”…
Rob K:
… (and yes I’m guilty of it in my early days of driving before I saw the light).
I remember that moment, it was pleasing. 
Coffeeholic:
Rob K:
… (and yes I’m guilty of it in my early days of driving before I saw the light).I remember that moment, it was pleasing.
It’s rather cringeworthy reading my old posts from that era now. 
Rob K:
That may well be the case, but arguing that "the public don’t understand we can’t go any faster" is ridiculous. You KNOW what the problem is and so should drive accordingly to prevent the problem from happening. However as per usual you will continue to blame it on everyone else: government, other driver should not overtake if he doesn’t have legs, other driver should ease off, etc etc yada yada yada.
You think the public understand that a truck can’t speed up, get away… 
bubsy06:
ajt:
Working to the best of your ability with the tools you have is the operative line your looking forAs i said, limiters are the restricting factor. I’m talking about the mathematics of them, NOT they should be banned, their a bad idea etc etc…
Take a car for example. If a car is stuck out there holding up traffic during a overtake or what ever, with the vehicle being unrestricted it has the powers to remove its self from the said situation by the way of accelerating. A lorry doesn’t have this luxury.
You can bleet on about timing it right, the over driver should slow down, you should do this and that etc etc and all this is true yes but the underling thorn in the side is the limiter at the end of the day…
No its the drivers fault, whats that famous phrase… a bad workman blah bah blah
you decide whether to overtake, if you know you are only 0.5mph faster why bother overtaking? its not compulsory to have your truck on the limit when driving on the motorway.
As i said. The underlaying problem is the limiter. The way round it is as you mentioned…
ajt:
bubsy06:
ajt:
Working to the best of your ability with the tools you have is the operative line your looking forAs i said, limiters are the restricting factor. I’m talking about the mathematics of them, NOT they should be banned, their a bad idea etc etc…
Take a car for example. If a car is stuck out there holding up traffic during a overtake or what ever, with the vehicle being unrestricted it has the powers to remove its self from the said situation by the way of accelerating. A lorry doesn’t have this luxury.
You can bleet on about timing it right, the over driver should slow down, you should do this and that etc etc and all this is true yes but the underling thorn in the side is the limiter at the end of the day…
No its the drivers fault, whats that famous phrase… a bad workman blah bah blah
you decide whether to overtake, if you know you are only 0.5mph faster why bother overtaking? its not compulsory to have your truck on the limit when driving on the motorway.As i said. The underlaying problem is the limiter…
The limiter is not the problem, you know how fast your lorry goes, it tells you on a sticker. Choosing not to allow for it is the problem.
I watched a driver, driving a big green lorry the other day try and overtake, he sat there along side the overtakee for about 4-5 miles until the other guy had no option but to back off so he could get into the correct lane, despite having his right indicator on for quite some time.
I give up. Honestly its like pulling teeth on here sometimes
If I’m loaded going up a steep hill (say A34 near Ilsley)) why should I be expected to ease off just because some ■■■■■■ thinks “oh, tipper lorry, must get past…” A 44ton artic at say 420bhp isn’t going to pass a 26t rigid with 345bhp…
Then there are the times when I’ve got my sheet over but I aint loaded 
tachograph:
Couldn’t agree more, drivers really should get out of this idea that because everything travels by road we have some kind of power … we don’t.
We do, we just choose, as a collective, not to use it. Everyone has power, work is a 2 way street. We need jobs and the bosses need workers. Bosses are very adept at putting pressure on their workers to do more for less. Drivers are clearly not so good at turning the tables around.
Binmen, firemen, air traffic control, flight crews etc etc, when they want better pay and better conditions they go on strike. When drivers want better pay and conditions they go on to a forum and moan about their job. No wonder some bosses are offering £327 for a weeks tramping when as a whole we bend over and take whatever they want to throw at us
Transport costs have risen a lot in recent years, mostly down to fuel costs. Not all of that extra cost has been taken from drivers, far from it.
Look at airlines, another industry hit by fuel costs. They counteract it with the fuel surcharge. Why not just take it off the pilots and air crews wages eh lol. We all know why, cos they wouldn’t stand for it and neither should we.
Terry T:
tachograph:
Couldn’t agree more, drivers really should get out of this idea that because everything travels by road we have some kind of power … we don’t.We do, we just choose, as a collective, not to use it. Everyone has power, work is a 2 way street. We need jobs and the bosses need workers. Bosses are very adept at putting pressure on their workers to do more for less. Drivers are clearly not so good at turning the tables around.
Binmen, firemen, air traffic control, flight crews etc etc, when they want better pay and better conditions they go on strike. When drivers want better pay and conditions they go on to a forum and moan about their job. No wonder some bosses are offering £327 for a weeks tramping when as a whole we bend over and take whatever they want to throw at us
Transport costs have risen a lot in recent years, mostly down to fuel costs. Not all of that extra cost has been taken from drivers, far from it.
Look at airlines, another industry hit by fuel costs. They counteract it with the fuel surcharge. Why not just take it off the pilots and air crews wages eh lol. We all know why, cos they wouldn’t stand for it and neither should we.
If you havnt got a job £327pw is pretty good, if you already have a job say paying £300pw on day work your hardly going to take it.
Take Thursday night, 9pm at the roadworks between 29 and 30. Car in lane 2 for all of it with queue of cars behind. They turn off at 30. I catch up, flash a few times, then give up and undertake (naughty naughty). As I pass a couple of toots with the horn (pup pup), and I receive a full on blare from the car driver.
Last night Volvo in middle lane on north circular after hangar lane. I catch up, move behind so as not to undertake, wait for him to pay attention and realise what’s going on, nothing. Flash the lights and immediately hand appears out of window and sun roof (no hands on wheel) as if to say “what?”. Well he did move over, and pulled back to lane 2 once I had passed.
Another night on m25 car in lane 2 doing 45. Pull behind, wait, flash, car moves to lane 3!
A while back on a12 I approach tesco lorry doing 50, I see it’s clear (no one at all behind) to overtake at 55. After a reasonably short overtake, car that caught up in the half a minute blares horn in anger at the brief hold up, has left arm in mad spasm until out of view.
And one more: leaving belvedere, 50mph dc, I overtake asda lorry as they usually do 45 there. The car that rapidly appeared behind me pulls along side and I can see the driver leaning over so he can get a look at me. I assume he had heard of me stunning god like looks, so I blew a kiss! He then sped off at about 80 for the last half mile and turned into Erith train station.
I know I’ve made mistakes, not been the best prepared, but these examples show a collective ignorance and impatience that suggests these car drivers have a lower iq than a glass of water.
I’m done. Time to get on with things.
The Saxmachine:
Another night on m25 car in lane 2 doing 45. Pull behind, wait, flash, car moves to lane 3!
It got out of your way, that’s all that matters. Was this around J10 through the average speed check? Had the same happen this morning with a taxi.
No it was between 11-10.
Yes it got out of the way but it’s still laughable which way the car went.
sometimes i use the middle so as to keep a safe distance
tween me and the vehicle in front
hitch:
sometimes i use the middle so as to keep a safe distance
tween me and the vehicle in front
Bit like me, i dive into lane 2 when the baby drivers have a panic attack and pull in too early, no chance am i slowing down to increase the gap i will use lane 2 instead.
I’m doing a lot of motorway mileage in my car at the moment and actually I see less poblems caused by trucks overtaking then car drivers not using some lane disipline.
It amazing how many times you see lane 1 completely clear, but lane 2 and 3 queued up. Drivers will sit in lane 2 for miles. The only time they seem to move is when you get past them and actually go into lane 1 bacuse it’s clear for a fair distance.
i think some car drivers think the inside lane dont exsist
I think that eventually trucks will be banned from overtaking on 2 lane roads and uphill sections of 3 lanes and it will be our own fault. Its happened in Belgium. Ive lost count of how many times ive watched trucks trying to overtake when they seem to be limited to around 52 with the result they are sitting in the middle lane for around 5 minutes. Last week I pulled out doing 56 to let another truck join the m11 where it goes to 2 lanes only to have him speed up to 56 and sit with his cab half way down my trailer leaving me unable to get back across. I guess the answer to that is not to pull out anymore but sadly this is the way its going now. There is no courtesy on the road (or anywhere else), drivers rarely acknowledge a flash of the lights or even flash when they are passed anymore.
On another topic do the average speed cameras actually work on the M25 because im often passed by vehicles (truck and car) doing well over 50.
grahamrfd:
On another topic do the average speed cameras actually work on the M25 because im often passed by vehicles (truck and car) doing well over 50.
I haven’t received a ticket but I read they don’t get you for 55
One night I was rolling at about 65 downhill and then as I passed the exit slip road a BMW x5 police car leaving. He must have been behind me the whole hill and obviously didn’t care!
The simple and common sense thing to do, that all experienced drivers do, is slow down a few clicks, and let the slightly faster vehicle overtake. There seems to be a breed of selfish drivers out there that for what ever reason think it’s cleaver to leave other drivers out to dry in the middle lane.
I’ve been driving for a living for nearly 25 years, my old man started doing the job in the 60s, and I was always told that courtesy, and manners ( when ever possible) is the way to prove your good at the job.
I don’t expect things will ever get better, because common sense isn’t part of the driving test, but I will carry on doing my bit.