Perfect opportunity for Someone

[brados]

PinkLadyTrucker:

dinosteveus1:
Talking of runts, wouldn’t Working Family Tax Credits or whatever name it’s going by now, ‘help’ with such a [zb] low wage?

BUT

Why should the state have to bail out Employers so that a driver gets a sort of living wage

That’s exactly what employers do these days, pay a lower rate and then at the interview suggest to the driver that they may get WTC to supplement the wage, in fairness sometimes it may work out vastly in the drivers favour, especially if he has a few sprogs. The other side of course is that employers should not really be taking advantage of the current economic climate to pay a lower rate, but that’s exactly what they do!

It will be years before the rates rise to anywhere near what they were 10 - 15 years ago - if ever! Truck driving is not seen as an important job despite all of the hassles to get a licence, until it is recognised as such things will not change and I can’t see that happening anytime soon.

[repton]

Personally I don’t get this whole “we are worth more than that” business. At the end of the day you can get all the qualifications you need to do our job in a fortnight. If you want to be a plumber or sparky, it takes years of on the job training to get qualified. I wouldn’t be surprised if in some big red-tape-ridden corporates these days the cleaners do actually get more hours of training than it takes to get your LGV licence.

The other thing is that a business is there for one purpose: to make money for its shareholders. They do not have any moral duty to pay a specific wage just because their employees think they should, and at the end of the day the labour market is one of supply and demand and right now there is more supply than demand. The plethora of training companies offering cut price courses and painting fantastical rose tinted pictures of our industry are certainly not helping this either. If they can get a driver who is capable of doing the job for £7.30/hour then why on earth should they offer more? It’s still over a quid an hour over the NMW.

Paul

[repton]

brados:
Truck driving is not seen as an important job despite all of the hassles to get a licence, until it is recognised as such things will not change and I can’t see that happening anytime soon.

It won’t be, compared to many other qualifications getting your LGV licence is quick, easy and cheap. We will always be ten-a-penny manual workers and the sooner people realise that and get off their we’re-better-than-that high horse the better.

Paul

[shuttlespanker]

Pink Lady Trucker, a picture for you

[pinkladytrucker]

shuttlespanker:
as i mentioned in another thread in the owner drivers forum, you know the one, it was the one where you and another member started having a hissy fit between you that got nearly half of the thread deleted, prospective employers read these forums

No mention of the other person, Who admitted on a public forum to undercutting even agency drivers pay so basically getting a wage at around £8 to £9 ph, but now giving up freelance to go agency to get a bigger pay

shuttlespanker:
yes, that’s right, the people that you are constantly slagging off!!!

Constantly slagging off what a load of bull, Maybe slagged of 1 person who undercuts agency drivers wages, Post been deleted on that thread, WONDER WHY ■■? Maybe so true that no one else may have a pop at his selfish actions

shuttlespanker:
i employ drivers, at one time, the other member that you had the hissy fit worked for me too, but he left for his own reasons, and i will tell you this, it was not for the money!!!

if you were to come to me looking for a job, i would not hesitiate to offer you a position in my company

as a toilet cleaner!!!

No thanks, I wouldn’t even wipe your ■■■

shuttlespanker:
because from your postings on here, you are certainly not mature enough to drive a truck

you are coming across as a very bitter individual who wants everything given to you on a plate, well, here’s a news flash for you, you have to go out and earn your keep, and any respect that you think you might deserve, YOU HAVE TO EARN IT!!!

I have the experiance already, dont need to prove to you apart from maybe an assessment and refs that I am more than capable of doing.
I never have asked for ANYTHING on a plate, thats another posters words, and you like them, Like i stated to Mike C, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME DO NOT JUDGE ME until you have

shuttlespanker:
now, i take great pleasure in the fact that i can, and will, let others have their say in an argument, and on all of the various forums that i am on, i have NEVER used the ‘ignore’ or ‘Foe’ feature on them, but you, PLT, are coming very close to being in the honorary position of being the first person on that list

Your own pleasure, do as you wish.

Since the other poster who you mentioned is now a agency driver, then he shouldn’t post in the Owner Op forum either as been stated to me, even thou, I also done freelance and probably did better than him at getting paid more than agency by being freelance

BEFORE YOU STATE that I want everything on a PLATE, GET your facts right before falling into exactly the same pit fall that the other poster has

What do you not like a Woman with more balls than YOU scare you

nice pic btw

[repton]

PinkLadyTrucker:
No mention of the other person, Who admitted on a public forum to undercutting even agency drivers pay so basically getting a wage at around £8 to £9 ph, but now giving up freelance to go agency to get a bigger pay

I’m not wanting to get dragged into that specific and increasingly childish argument but at the end of the day in this modern world you have to do whatever you can to find work. It’s no good going home to the wife and kids and saying “sorry folks, we’re limited to one tin of beans between us for tea tonight because I am far too talented to work for less than a tenner an hour”. It will do no good, there are loads of drivers and relatively few jobs, someone else will always do the work you refuse so what are you gaining? You get to be all smug on your moral high horse whilst your family have nothing to eat and the bailiffs start sniffing around to see what you have of any value they can take. At the end of the day we all just have to accept that wages are low in this industry, the country is in a recession and if we want something better then we need to retrain and do something else.

Paul

[bigvern1]

[daf_dave]

people have to forget what they earnt years ago, those days are gone.its 2012 not 1996 things have changed alot, you can only pay what the trucks earn,

[jessicas_dad]

PinkLadyTrucker:

shuttlespanker:
as i mentioned in another thread in the owner drivers forum, you know the one, it was the one where you and another member started having a hissy fit between you that got nearly half of the thread deleted, prospective employers read these forums

No mention of the other person, Who admitted on a public forum to undercutting even agency drivers pay so basically getting a wage at around £8 to £9 ph, but now giving up freelance to go agency to get a bigger pay

look that post i made has now been deleted but i would like to clarify a couple of things here, i do not ever state my rates for jobs on this website or any other. the photo’s on my website show work ive done, they do not state whether that work was through an agency, paye or freelance so you will have to guess what it is. i do not name what agencies im on or have been on, and i dont name my clients.

lucky or unlucky i was off sick for jan and most of feb so ive scrapped past most of the quiet period, and lets face facts agency work dosent generally pick up for another month and im already including the past 3 weeks been flat out.

ive had clients try and push down my rates … i dont work for them anymore, i have a lowest rate i will work for but i wont tell anyone on here what it is and its not 8 to 9ph.

the agency im now with, well i know him from old and we have set my rates different to what the regular drivers get because he knows me and wants me on his contracts and im more than happy to work for him.

i dont work for 8 to 9ph i work for more and also earn more than £10 ph that plt gets so where she comes to this conclusion of 8 to 9 ph i dont know.

im trying my hardest not to get pulled into another arguement with someone trying to guess my work and prices, if anyone has any evidence to contridict me please come forward and prove me wrong.

[ovlov_jay]

I am amazed that some drivers think there is an endless pot of money in road haulage. That’s the politicians job. It’s supply and demand. And it’s an employers market at the mo. Why do you think an md would mortgage his house, spend sleepless nights running a business and park an ■■■■■■ van next to your 7 series bmw. That’s a bit arse about face, no? If it’s recognised that od’s and small firms are finding it tight and you expect a small wage there. Why do people assume that a bigger firm, with more expensive trucks, bigger premises, more directors and admin staff, quite often accused of under cutting small firms rates, can pay more money

[happydaze]

PinkLadyTrucker:

Mike-C:
I’m beggining to get a better understanding now. The reason a load of companies have gone to the wall in the last twelve months alone is because they wern’t paying enough and where insulting drivers. Who’d of thought?

Youre talking cras

The small Owner ops may have gone to the wall due to more than Driver wages, Fuel costs etc, No fault of the owner op, but they run on such small margins
Also if you work for a Owner Op, then you are aware of this fact and work towards the better goal, maybe a profit share scheme as part if your wages to get the business growing and thus you would have a interest within the company

Bigger business, such as the one I stated, paying £7:31 ph, is a Insult, you look at their website and see a driver in a lovely truck smiling, Oh he has just been told he will get a £0:01 pay rise, so lets smile hey

Mike C, WOULD you take this job, Probably yes, You can keep it

“No fault of the owner op, but they run on such small margins”

That is exactly what’s wrong with road transport and always has been. People willing to work for a margin that won’t cover the cost of a tyre blowout.

Please tell me then, exactly who’s fault it is. Oh, and if you come across “the other driver” can you ask him how he got to be so much better than me please.

Many thanks.

[pat_hasler]

It’s riddiculous that companies plead financial problems and can’t afford better pay when the CEO’s etc get huge pay increases and bonuses every year. Believe me they can afford to pay much higher pay but the loser they pay the drivers the higher annual bonus they get.
In the recession of the early 80’s / late 70’s Swift asked us all to take a 10 pound a week pay cut, we voted no but would agree to a 10% cut if all including even the CEO took the same 10% cut and showed us proof… the idea was dropped without further talks.
These companies continue to raise the charges they pass to their customers, but keep the profits for the greedy gits at the top and drivers agencies are among the worst. If you are all gonna take work for such low pay it will never rise. If i went for a job that didn’t pay enough I wouldn’t take it, I have pride and if everyone turned the job down they would have no option but to insrease the pay.

[mike-c]

PinkLadyTrucker:
Like i stated to Mike C, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME DO NOT JUDGE ME until you have

I was scratching my head trying to see where i may of ‘judged you’. I needn’t have bothered, because i never !!! But i have an opinion based on your limited posts i’ve read. You seem to be strangley aggresive and outspoken, but then scream don’t judge me!! But you carry on judging other people and calling them ponces, undercutters or whatever else you say. I’m just smiling whilst your finger hovers over the self destruct button.

[winseer]

dinosteveus1:
Talking of runts, wouldn’t Working Family Tax Credits or whatever name it’s going by now, ‘help’ with such a [zb] low wage?

Working tax credits won’t help you if your household has a duel income, you don’t have kids, and/or you don’t deliberately keep your pay below certain thresholds to earn the optimum amount.

If the majority of drivers are in the 40-55 age bracket, then for most of them, they either never had a family or have seen them grow up already - you don’t get child tax credit beyond the child reaching age 16.

I won’t be going full-time again (year round) until the pay warrents it. The job I left was £750 for a 48 hour week, so even if wages remain flat for the next year or so, I’ll not be taking a full time job again for less. Those of little faith among you would assume that I’ll be on credits for the rest of my life. I’m making a judgement on this recession lasting another 8 years and no longer. That’s pretty pessimistic, and would take a recession lasting a lot longer for me to be proven wrong in my game plan here.

Think back to the end of the 1980’s when house prices were falling, wages were falling, jobs were disappearing… The markets all bottomed out around 1993-1994 if I remember correctly. Top to Bottom move (if you count the Stock market crash as the start in 1987) is therefore 7 years tops. I think this recession will prove worse by about 50% longer, but that means it lasting from 2008-2019 as my estimated worse case scenario. From 2020, I reckon we’ll finally see an economic boom that sees working wages climb faster than the cost of living at last, and finally we’ll all get paid what we should be rather than tightwad bosses think we’ll put up with.

[winseer]

OVLOV JAY:
I am amazed that some drivers think there is an endless pot of money in road haulage. That’s the politicians job. It’s supply and demand. And it’s an employers market at the mo. Why do you think an md would mortgage his house, spend sleepless nights running a business and park an ■■■■■■ van next to your 7 series bmw. That’s a bit arse about face, no? If it’s recognised that od’s and small firms are finding it tight and you expect a small wage there. Why do people assume that a bigger firm, with more expensive trucks, bigger premises, more directors and admin staff, quite often accused of under cutting small firms rates, can pay more money

Haulage, like the NHS is something that in my opnion CANNOT BE TOO EXPENSIVE. They are the difference between being a developed country and a third-world basket case like Somalia after all.

We really need an “insurance crunch” so that NHS care doesn’t pay compensation when it goes wrong, and mickey mouse drivers smashing up vehicles don’t get any comebacks on the insurance, because it no longer exists to pay out.

The game then becomes the elitist affair that it is in places like Canada.

In Canada, if you are a Paramedic or a Rigger (owner driver) then you are considered quite classy.
Stockbrokers and IT specialists have become the new ten-a-penny workforce by comparison.

In the UK, IT specialists have already had the bottom fall out, and stockbrokers are currently going through it.
Instead of NHS and Haulage staff stepping upto the plate however, it seems that “The Cult of Celebrity” combined with the remnents of the old-school-tie & dodgy handshake network have managed to usurp our own mantle from us before we could step up and take it for ourselves…

Think of all the bullcrap involved in being self-employed nowdays, compared to OTHER countries where you are very much encouraged to be your own boss - instead of avoid it at all costs because the whole system is screwed against the working man on normal wages.

[shuttlespanker]

PinkLadyTrucker:

shuttlespanker:
as i mentioned in another thread in the owner drivers forum, you know the one, it was the one where you and another member started having a hissy fit between you that got nearly half of the thread deleted, prospective employers read these forums

No mention of the other person, Who admitted on a public forum to undercutting even agency drivers pay so basically getting a wage at around £8 to £9 ph, but now giving up freelance to go agency to get a bigger pay

shuttlespanker:
yes, that’s right, the people that you are constantly slagging off!!!

Constantly slagging off what a load of bull, Maybe slagged of 1 person who undercuts agency drivers wages, Post been deleted on that thread, WONDER WHY ■■? Maybe so true that no one else may have a pop at his selfish actions

shuttlespanker:
i employ drivers, at one time, the other member that you had the hissy fit worked for me too, but he left for his own reasons, and i will tell you this, it was not for the money!!!

if you were to come to me looking for a job, i would not hesitiate to offer you a position in my company

as a toilet cleaner!!!

No thanks, I wouldn’t even wipe your ass

shuttlespanker:
because from your postings on here, you are certainly not mature enough to drive a truck

you are coming across as a very bitter individual who wants everything given to you on a plate, well, here’s a news flash for you, you have to go out and earn your keep, and any respect that you think you might deserve, YOU HAVE TO EARN IT!!!

I have the experiance already, dont need to prove to you apart from maybe an assessment and refs that I am more than capable of doing.
I never have asked for ANYTHING on a plate, thats another posters words, and you like them, Like i stated to Mike C, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME DO NOT JUDGE ME until you have

shuttlespanker:
now, i take great pleasure in the fact that i can, and will, let others have their say in an argument, and on all of the various forums that i am on, i have NEVER used the ‘ignore’ or ‘Foe’ feature on them, but you, PLT, are coming very close to being in the honorary position of being the first person on that list

Your own pleasure, do as you wish.

Since the other poster who you mentioned is now a agency driver, then he shouldn’t post in the Owner Op forum either as been stated to me, even thou, I also done freelance and probably did better than him at getting paid more than agency by being freelance

BEFORE YOU STATE that I want everything on a PLATE, GET your facts right before falling into exactly the same pit fall that the other poster has

What do you not like a Woman with more balls than YOU scare you

nice pic btw

i wouldn’t want you wiping my ass, that would mean i have to pay you more than you are worth

oh, and as for your apparent favourite saying “YOU DO NOT KNOW ME DO NOT JUDGE ME”, why is it that you are allowed to judge others but they are not allowed to judge you?

a bit hypocritical don’t you think?

oh, and whilst we are on the ‘judging’ of people, can you show me where i did that?

i would suggest that you read the post correctly

shuttlespanker:
you are coming across as a very bitter individual who wants everything given to you on a plate, well, here’s a news flash for you, you have to go out and earn your keep, and any respect that you think you might deserve, YOU HAVE TO EARN IT!!!

the highlighted part is the part specifically for your attention

it is not judging you, it is merely an observation

as for your tirade about your qualifications, can you show me where i have questioned them or your ability to drive them?

shuttlespanker:
because from your postings on here, you are certainly not mature enough to drive a truck

this is questioning your apparent maturity, not your ability

oh, and as for you having more balls than me…

ever considered giving up driving and changing for a career as a comedienne on stage?

with jokes like that, you would make a killing

and seeing as you liked the picture so much the first time, i’ll post it again, just for you

[happydaze]

Winseer:

OVLOV JAY:
I am amazed that some drivers think there is an endless pot of money in road haulage. That’s the politicians job. It’s supply and demand. And it’s an employers market at the mo. Why do you think an md would mortgage his house, spend sleepless nights running a business and park an ■■■■■■ van next to your 7 series bmw. That’s a bit arse about face, no? If it’s recognised that od’s and small firms are finding it tight and you expect a small wage there. Why do people assume that a bigger firm, with more expensive trucks, bigger premises, more directors and admin staff, quite often accused of under cutting small firms rates, can pay more money

Haulage, like the NHS is something that in my opnion CANNOT BE TOO EXPENSIVE. They are the difference between being a developed country and a third-world basket case like Somalia after all.

We really need an “insurance crunch” so that NHS care doesn’t pay compensation when it goes wrong, and mickey mouse drivers smashing up vehicles don’t get any comebacks on the insurance, because it no longer exists to pay out.

The game then becomes the elitist affair that it is in places like Canada.

In Canada, if you are a Paramedic or a Rigger (owner driver) then you are considered quite classy.
Stockbrokers and IT specialists have become the new ten-a-penny workforce by comparison.

In the UK, IT specialists have already had the bottom fall out, and stockbrokers are currently going through it.
Instead of NHS and Haulage staff stepping upto the plate however, it seems that “The Cult of Celebrity” combined with the remnents of the old-school-tie & dodgy handshake network have managed to usurp our own mantle from us before we could step up and take it for ourselves…

Think of all the bullcrap involved in being self-employed nowdays, compared to OTHER countries where you are very much encouraged to be your own boss - instead of avoid it at all costs because the whole system is screwed against the working man on normal wages.

^^There are the words of a wise man^^

[matt79]

SOC Code:
8212
Wage

£6.08 Per Hour
Hours
40 PER WEEK MONDAY TO FRIDAY
Location
KIRKBY IN ASHFIELD, NOTTS NG18
Duration
Temporary
Date posted
23 March 2012
Description
Successful applicants will be contracted to The Best Connection Group Ltd under a contract for services. Must hold a current C1 licence, max 9 points, digicard, You will be making deliveries around the nationwide of glass products. Call now to arrange an immediate interview.
How to apply
You can apply for this job by telephoning 0115 9585880 and asking for Nigel Barkley/ Jack ferguson.
Employer
The Best Connection Group Ltd

Is this really the best thats on offer.? I’m a newly qualified lgv driver and took great pride in passing my tests first time but this is making me think, was it all really worth it?

[repton]

matt79:
Is this really the best thats on offer.? I’m a newly qualified lgv driver and took great pride in passing my tests first time but this is making me think, was it all really worth it?

Congratulations on passing your tests but I’m afraid you will struggle to get a decent break as a newly qualified driver. There are a lot of experienced drivers out there looking for jobs too and so as a newbie you are going to have to start at the bottom and work your way up.

Paul

[thecoder0]

jessicas dad:

PinkLadyTrucker:

shuttlespanker:
as i mentioned in another thread in the owner drivers forum, you know the one, it was the one where you and another member started having a hissy fit between you that got nearly half of the thread deleted, prospective employers read these forums

No mention of the other person, Who admitted on a public forumi to undercutting even agency drivers pay so basically getting a wage at around £8 to £9 ph, but now giving up freelance to go agency to get a bigger pay

look that post i made has now been deleted but i would like to clarify a couple of things here, i do not ever state my rates for jobs on this website or any other. the photo’s on my website show work ive done, they do not state whether that work was through an agency, paye or freelance so you will have to guess what it is. i do not name what agencies im on or have been on, and i dont name my clients.

lucky or unlucky i was off sick for jan and most of feb so ive scrapped past most of the quiet period, and lets face facts agency work dosent generally pick up for another month and im already including the past 3 weeks been flat out.

ive had clients try and push down my rates … i dont work for them anymore, i have a lowest rate i will work for but i wont tell anyone on here what it is and its not 8 to 9ph.

the agency im now with, well i know him from old and we have set my rates different to what the regular drivers get because he knows me and wants me on his contracts and im more than happy to work for him.

i dont work for 8 to 9ph i work for more and also earn more than £10 ph that plt gets so where she comes to this conclusion of 8 to 9 ph i dont know.

im trying my hardest not to get pulled into another arguement with someone trying to guess my work and prices, if anyone has any evidence to contridict me please come forward and prove me wrong.

Hey up JD , I don’t really see what business it is of anyones what your rates are to be honest.