switchlogic:
As for 4x2’s in Scandinavia? What’s the problem? I’ve been to Scandinavia in the winter in a 4x2 more times than I can remember and not had a problem yet. In my opinion you’re better off with a good winter driver in a 4x2 than a Muppet that thinks he’s invincible in a 6x4. And you see plenty of drivers who think they are invincible in Scandinavian winters You Norwegians cant expect us to buy Norwegian spec trucks for the odd trip.
I understand, I would use 4x2 if that was the only thing I had as well. But mr. White here got a few 6x2, so it was more like a question on why don’t he send them instead. It was not to bash anyone.
The major cities in south Norway is no problem with 4x2 with a decent pair of winter tires, diff lock and chains. But as long north as Narvik may cause problems in hard winter. But also that depends on weather conditions and how heavy the load is, how it is loaded and etc.
It would be a shame to delete this thread. I think it has said more about a lot of TNUK contributors than their actual posts.
It’s nice to hear some positive news about British Haulage and in a way, this thread encouraged me to post some pictures of the truck I drive and a working diary recently.
I suspect we will probably hear a lot less from Whites on TNUK in future and I for one, think that will be a shame.
robroy:
W W W ,Just having a bit of banter and wind up mate, in my own miserable begrudger sort of way (thought the clue was in the smilies, but hey ho) Try and lighten up, didn’t mean to spoil yer weekend, I’ll go and thrash myself with a wet copy of Truck and Driver and watch back to back episodes of Eddie’s trucks and trailers as pennance. You can’t leave now before 20 pages… sorry I’m off again.
Seriously though mate, good on yer for looking after your drivers and paying them well, I used to find if you treat employees fairly you get a much better attitude to work back, and it’s much more productive, it is sadly lacking in today’s haulage industry.
This does NOT mean I’ve joined your fan club though
Its easy to say you should lighten up if you’ve multiple people who’ve never met you and don’t know you attacking you. Its a bit harder to actually lighten up when you’re on the receiving end of it, its hard not to take things personally. I sometimes wonder why anyone would put themselves out there on this forum because there’s endless people ready to lob abuse or put others down.
robroy:
W W W ,Just having a bit of banter and wind up mate, in my own miserable begrudger sort of way (thought the clue was in the smilies, but hey ho) Try and lighten up, didn’t mean to spoil yer weekend, I’ll go and thrash myself with a wet copy of Truck and Driver and watch back to back episodes of Eddie’s trucks and trailers as pennance. You can’t leave now before 20 pages… sorry I’m off again.
Seriously though mate, good on yer for looking after your drivers and paying them well, I used to find if you treat employees fairly you get a much better attitude to work back, and it’s much more productive, it is sadly lacking in today’s haulage industry.
This does NOT mean I’ve joined your fan club though
Its easy to say you should lighten up if you’ve multiple people who’ve never met you and don’t know you attacking you. Its a bit harder to actually lighten up when you’re on the receiving end of it, its hard not to take things personally. I sometimes wonder why anyone would put themselves out there on this forum because there’s endless people ready to lob abuse or put others down.
That would be a fair comment aimed at me Luke if I actually was attacking, but the three or more posts I have made on this thread were, (I thought) quite clearly tongue in cheek,( although I did have a pop at the more sychophantic comments in my first one admittedly ) so I feel no need to either take them back or apologise. If he chooses to use my posts as a reason for wiping the thread, that is up to him, I aint really fussed either way to be honest, but maybe a few of the more genuinely hostile posts would have been a better reason if he needed one, and after seeing your sense of humour in a lot of your posts and vids Luke, I’m quite surprised you didn’t get it.
That was aimed at everyone making needless negative comments. I quoted you because you said lighten up and I wanted to point out overused smilieys or not its very hard to lighten up sometimes. Yes I could see your post was partly tongue in cheek but like I pointed out when on the receiving end of such posts its hard to see. Its sad but I get the impression there are some here (not aiming directly at you) who wont be happy till Trucknet is nothing more than a sea of negativity and nothing more
switchlogic:
That was aimed at everyone making needless negative comments. I quoted you because you said lighten up and I wanted to point out overused smilieys or not its very hard to lighten up sometimes. Yes I could see your post was partly tongue in cheek but like I pointed out when on the receiving end of such posts its hard to see. Its sad but I get the impression there are some here (not aiming directly at you) who wont be happy till Trucknet is nothing more than a sea of negativity and nothing more
Yeh ok, I do take your point, and I understand that any empathy from you to WWW is maybe a result of personal attacks of a more malicious nature which have been aimed at yourself in the past. Having said that I do think it’s a bit ott to want to pull a thread just because a few posts, joking or otherwise, did not share the o/ps and his admirers enthusiasm, but again even though your point about excessive negativity on TN is a fair one, I’m not sure if it applies in this case, so can we agree to disagree?
God! This is getting deep! I wish I’d just kept quiet. (as I’m sure others wish also )
switchlogic:
No no no don’t delete it! All it does is make your company look good and all the miserable poster look like bitter begrudgers. People just like dragging others down to their level, I know that more than most! Just let it wash over you, then sit at your desk and remember what you in charge of and remember you are getting the last laugh.
As for 4x2’s in Scandinavia? What’s the problem? I’ve been to Scandinavia in the winter in a 4x2 more times than I can remember and not had a problem yet. In my opinion you’re better off with a good winter driver in a 4x2 than a Muppet that thinks he’s invincible in a 6x4. And you see plenty of drivers who think they are invincible in Scandinavian winters You Norwegians cant expect us to buy Norwegian spec trucks for the odd trip.
With a 2 axle truck and a 3 axle trailer there is going to be more weight loaded to the trailer than the truck. That is plain right dangerous. 6x2 you can load to 26 ton, the trailer to 24ton. The truck is always going to be heavier than the trailer if the driver just understands a bit of how to load. Other way around and you have a big risk of the trailer taking the control over the truck.
Other thing is you don’t just move some weight over climbing the hill, also going down and you can use the retarder much better so you don’t have to burn the breaks.
We do run winter tires, on the steer, drive and trailer and if I would be the one making the rules I would ban 2 axle trucks north of Malmö, Sweden
Yes the Norwegians can and they should. 4x2 truck is not suitable there
OT: Worst case I have heard of is a Lithuanian 4x2 driver close to Trondheim. On the scale he had 6,5t on the drive and 24t on the trailer
Please, nobody mention Harry Monk or the other lot will be here in a minute…
Keep posting and keep laughing Pete. We are all a touch jealous, it’s just some people show it differently.
Happy Easter!
personally I would refuse any load going further north and west than the oslo-falun-gävle line with a 4x2 during the cold season but that’s just me then. sure you can get into some tire situations with a tag as well but at least then I know I wasn’t foolish enough to try it with a truck totally unsuitable for the conditions. I’ve done it all and got the t-shirt with a 4x2 but as the risk and stress are really not needed, there is a tag somewhere that can take the load instead.
im sure people say theres no money in trucking , thats all i here, whites must be doing something right to afford kit like they have and change all the time. its an obscene amount of money to fork out for a unit…£150K + how much work does that truck have to do to pay for itself,its mind bending…mr white do you pay outright or is it on the never never ■■?
bigrod1608:
im sure people say theres no money in trucking , thats all i here, whites must be doing something right to afford kit like they have and change all the time. its an obscene amount of money to fork out for a unit…£150K + how much work does that truck have to do to pay for itself,its mind bending…mr white do you pay outright or is it on the never never ■■?
i think its best to let the truck pay for itself, use other peoples money (banks and finance) leave yours in the bank…
after all, the truck is there to earn money… and look the ■■■■■■■■ too
You forgot the Somosiera mountain on the national one to Madrid, that incline is an engine killer, and brakes burn off there too.
On the North coast in the Vigo/Galicia area has some serious hills/mountains to contend with.
After spending this winter driving round Canada and the USA where the 6x4 is king. You see enough stuffed in the ditch to know there’s no perfect truck. You have to weigh up the pros and cons of each option and see what suits you best.
WWW shouldn’t let the haters worry him at the end of the day it’s his choice to run the trucks he does. He pays the bills and isn’t telling anyone else how to run a business or boasting how great his business model is.
kr79:
After spending this winter driving round Canada and the USA where the 6x4 is king. You see enough stuffed in the ditch to know there’s no perfect truck. You have to weigh up the pros and cons of each option and see what suits you best.
WWW shouldn’t let the haters worry him at the end of the day it’s his choice to run the trucks he does. He pays the bills and isn’t telling anyone else how to run a business or boasting how great his business model is.
I’m no hater but it’s a fact and has been a big discussion on the news up here. Especially in Norway were a lot of people are recurring a ban of 4x2 trucks. Not just drivers but regular people how have seen a lot of dangerous situations and trucks stuck on a lot of sick places.
For the heck even the Lithuanians has started to understand that 6x2 is the way to go.
About Canada the same thing goes there. By my knowledge max front axle load is around 6t and bogey around 15t. Especially 6t on the front is way to low, 15t works but should be higher.
I have driven 6x4 but don’t like the way it handles empty, so hard to catch the back if it slides. But loaded it’s just sick the places it can take on.
I enjoy the photos, I enjoy the interest others show and most of all, as the bloke running the day to day operations I also enjoy your input, feedback you give to others.
kr79:
After spending this winter driving round Canada and the USA where the 6x4 is king. You see enough stuffed in the ditch to know there’s no perfect truck. You have to weigh up the pros and cons of each option and see what suits you best.
WWW shouldn’t let the haters worry him at the end of the day it’s his choice to run the trucks he does. He pays the bills and isn’t telling anyone else how to run a business or boasting how great his business model is.
Is that a dig at somebody else creeping on to this thread.
bigrod1608:
im sure people say theres no money in trucking , thats all i here, whites must be doing something right to afford kit like they have and change all the time. its an obscene amount of money to fork out for a unit…£150K + how much work does that truck have to do to pay for itself,its mind bending…mr white do you pay outright or is it on the never never ■■?
i think its best to let the truck pay for itself, use other peoples money (banks and finance) leave yours in the bank…
after all, the truck is there to earn money… and look the ■■■■■■■■ too
i totally agree but the month payments must be horrendous, and if there all on chucky thats a hell of a lot of dough to find every month before the rest of the bills !!!
bigrod1608:
im sure people say theres no money in trucking , thats all i here, whites must be doing something right to afford kit like they have and change all the time. its an obscene amount of money to fork out for a unit…£150K + how much work does that truck have to do to pay for itself,its mind bending…mr white do you pay outright or is it on the never never ■■?
i think its best to let the truck pay for itself, use other peoples money (banks and finance) leave yours in the bank…
after all, the truck is there to earn money… and look the ■■■■■■■■ too
i totally agree but the month payments must be horrendous, and if there all on chucky thats a hell of a lot of dough to find every month before the rest of the bills !!!
i think its £138k,
if you only put 10% deposit down yea the finance would be something eye watering.
id of thought someone who prob had a V8 from new(560-620 maybe, so still worth a good amount), now perhaps 4-5 years old and paid for would be a decent part exchange, should bring it down under 100k then, about the same as a new R series V8
then its do you buy a one off motor or buy a brand new V8 with all the toys and R&M??
You Norwegians cant expect us to buy Norwegian spec trucks for the odd trip.
begrudger sort of way 
(thought the clue was in the smilies, but hey ho) Try and lighten up, didn’t mean to spoil yer weekend, I’ll go and thrash myself with a wet copy of Truck and Driver and watch back to back episodes of Eddie’s trucks and trailers as pennance. You can’t leave now before 20 pages… 
sorry I’m off again. 
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