Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
That throws a different light on it. (Unless you are back pedalling to save face )
If the fitter HAD been right (we now know he was not) your balls would have been on the line if things had gone wrong.
You would have thought a qualified fitter would have known.
So on that note you did right mate I reckon, wait for verification and clearance to move.
I wouldn’t have been so harsh had he put the fitters comments in original post!
Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
Exactly. Imagine the consequences if you’d been overtaken by one of your wheels. You’re the driver and it’s your signature saying the truck has no defects.
As usual on here,every day’s a school day. I come on here for mainly the knowledge of others,but also for the slanging matches which are far better than constipation street or deadenders
Carryfast:
Which leaves the question why would that nut shown be mutually exclusive with a longer stud.
It isn’t. They’re simply an much easier option than changing all the studs that’s all. No point paying for longer studs and longer nuts is there, hence they rarely be seen together but they can be used together if you so wish. No doubt you’ll turn this into a 10 page tirade about alloys
No not a 10 page tirade.Either supply tube nuts threaded to the end for use together with longer studs to suit those with my preference.
Or supply ones not threaded to the end for use with shorter studs so as to avoid this predictable type of obvious confusion when drivers do their walk around checks.In addition to the danger that correct nuts crying wolf in this way could foreseeably lead to wrongly fitted standard nuts being over looked as correct tube nuts.
While your expert opinion said that they are mutually exclusive with longer studs anyway.
Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
Duff intel, you used your resources, asked about, a fitter said they look wrong, you stood by your doubt and didn’t take it out, clearly concerned as you know they hold the wheels on. By satan’s nose hair, you even asked on this viper’s nest and got mocked for spending time on the problem Welcome to trucknet and it’s gaggle of self proclaimed driving heroes. Just laugh at the Godliness when it shows up, it’s funnier when they get defensive
Nobby_Clarke:
Yes well done to the OP for questioning it. As a workshop engineer for 20-odd years,i like to see a thread flush or protruding from the nut. Whether I’d have sat in the yard . I’d have got a torque wrench from the nearest workshop,checked them at 600 and been on my way . Not being familiar with this and reading the replies,i understand the principal. The nut had a shoulder so you’ve got the same amount of stud thread in at as with steel rims. Correct?
The idea seems to be that they effectively extend the stud using a threaded tube with a nut and shoulder head on it.Which leaves the question why bother threading the thing to the end thereby predictably creating confusion as to whether it’s the correct type of stud extending tube nut v a wrongly fitted standard nut during a walk around check.
They do this so that these sleeved type nuts can be used on longer studs if need be so no need to produce two types. Its done to take into account longer studs may have been retro fitted to one axle and not the other but can be used on either.
Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
That throws a different light on it. (Unless you are back pedalling to save face )
If the fitter HAD been right (we now know he was not) your balls would have been on the line if things had gone wrong.
You would have thought a qualified fitter would have known.
So on that note you did right mate I reckon, wait for verification and clearance to move.
I wouldn’t have been so harsh had he put the fitters comments in original post!
Don’t be rediculous. You didn’t give the bloke a chance
Nobby_Clarke:
Yes well done to the OP for questioning it. As a workshop engineer for 20-odd years,i like to see a thread flush or protruding from the nut. Whether I’d have sat in the yard . I’d have got a torque wrench from the nearest workshop,checked them at 600 and been on my way . Not being familiar with this and reading the replies,i understand the principal. The nut had a shoulder so you’ve got the same amount of stud thread in at as with steel rims. Correct?
The idea seems to be that they effectively extend the stud using a threaded tube with a nut and shoulder head on it.Which leaves the question why bother threading the thing to the end thereby predictably creating confusion as to whether it’s the correct type of stud extending tube nut v a wrongly fitted standard nut during a walk around check.
They do this so that these sleeved type nuts can be used on longer studs if need be so no need to produce two types. Its done to take into account longer studs may have been retro fitted to one axle and not the other but can be used on either.
I’d say they also regard it as being important to ensure that if the nuts are used on a longer stud, tightening them to the required torque actually tightens the wheel onto the hub rather than simply tightening the nut onto the end of the stud, leaving the wheel loose.
Who remembers the old Vauxhall HA vans used by the Post Office several decades ago? Standard Vauxhall wheel nuts had a taper on one end only. The Post Office specified that their vans had a taper on both ends, in case their fitters put them on the wrong way around…
Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
Duff intel, you used your resources, asked about, a fitter said they look wrong, you stood by your doubt and didn’t take it out, clearly concerned as you know they hold the wheels on. By satan’s nose hair, you even asked on this viper’s nest and got mocked for spending time on the problem Welcome to trucknet and it’s gaggle of self proclaimed driving heroes. Just laugh at the Godliness when it shows up, it’s funnier when they get defensive
Mate,I find all of the “I know everything” replies hilarious.Especially that switch fella who looks like a closet stobart spotter in his avatar.
wheelnutt:
Stop googling crap and passing it off as your own knowledge.
But then he would have nothing to post, and how are we to get by without his expert opinions on Brexit, B-doubles, driving in Yugoslavia 25 years ago and the driver shortage, among many others?
As for the OP - just another one who won’t be told anything and looks for any excuse not to do the job.
Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
That throws a different light on it. (Unless you are back pedalling to save face )
If the fitter HAD been right (we now know he was not) your balls would have been on the line if things had gone wrong.
You would have thought a qualified fitter would have known.
So on that note you did right mate I reckon, wait for verification and clearance to move.
I wouldn’t have been so harsh had he put the fitters comments in original post!
Don’t be rediculous. You didn’t give the bloke a chance
To be fair mate, the bit that was left out ( ie the duff opinion from the fitter) changed the whole original scenario.
Carryfast:
Which leaves the question why would that nut shown be mutually exclusive with a longer stud.
It isn’t. They’re simply an much easier option than changing all the studs that’s all. No point paying for longer studs and longer nuts is there, hence they rarely be seen together but they can be used together if you so wish. No doubt you’ll turn this into a 10 page tirade about alloys
No not a 10 page tirade.Either supply tube nuts threaded to the end for use together with longer studs to suit those with my preference.
Or supply ones not threaded to the end for use with shorter studs so as to avoid this predictable type of obvious confusion when drivers do their walk around checks.In addition to the danger that correct nuts crying wolf in this way could foreseeably lead to wrongly fitted standard nuts being over looked as correct tube nuts.
While your expert opinion said that they are mutually exclusive with longer studs anyway.
As I said previously, your opinion is irrelevant. You haven’t driven a truck in 20 years and have never operated or owned them so I’m sure those that do will get on just fine with the way things are and have been. There really is no need to change how a common part is manufactured just because someone somewhere got confused by them once. You really have been surpassing yourself with your random nonsense lately
robroy:
I wouldn’t have been so harsh had he put the fitters comments in original post!
Don’t be rediculous. You didn’t give the bloke a chance
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To be fair mate, the bit that was left out ( ie the duff opinion from the fitter) changed the whole original scenario.[/qRob Roy
Also to be fair I think It’s 50/50 as to whether that conversation ever happened.
Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
That throws a different light on it. (Unless you are back pedalling to save face )
If the fitter HAD been right (we now know he was not) your balls would have been on the line if things had gone wrong.
You would have thought a qualified fitter would have known.
So on that note you did right mate I reckon, wait for verification and clearance to move.
I wouldn’t have been so harsh had he put the fitters comments in original post!
Don’t be rediculous. You didn’t give the bloke a chance
Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
Duff intel, you used your resources, asked about, a fitter said they look wrong, you stood by your doubt and didn’t take it out, clearly concerned as you know they hold the wheels on. By satan’s nose hair, you even asked on this viper’s nest and got mocked for spending time on the problem Welcome to trucknet and it’s gaggle of self proclaimed driving heroes. Just laugh at the Godliness when it shows up, it’s funnier when they get defensive
Mate,I find all of the “I know everything” replies hilarious.Especially that switch fella who looks like a closet stobart spotter in his avatar.
Nice to know you’ve been examining my picture so avidly. (Why is there no blowing kiss smiley on here?) here, a cheeky wink will have to do
To help the dreamers why there is thread to the end of the nut, very simple:
first of all, if you want to use these wheels on a vehicle with longer studs, you need the whole nut threaded. The wheels have larger studs holes as normal to allow for the sleeve. So you cannot fit them on any vehicle with the standard nuts.
Second reason is very logical there need to be some space for adjustment, e.g. When you torque the wheels, the sleeve doesn’t go complex against the flange but is a couple of mm of.
Many drivers on here have driven with these wheelnuts without knowing it, as most have a end cap in there.
The system of sleeved nuts is about 30 years in common use, and safes the very high expense for unnecessary exchanging studs, which have to be changed back of you use steelies again.
For owners is wise to use silicon grease on the sleeves and on the flange to avoid corrosion. (Never use copaslip as bringing in a 3rd metal increases the corrosion)
A little bit disappointed in the fitter, if not sure take it apart and have a look, probably to cold to get his backside in gear.
With loosing one nut, everything would have been clear, put it back together and on you go, only one expensive hour lost where the wheels didn’t turn.
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Welcome to trucknet and it’s gaggle of self proclaimed driving heroes. Just laugh at the Godliness when it shows up, it’s funnier when they get defensive