muckles:
Carryfast:
The way I see it that’s applying more tension to the now shorter stud from the shoulder washer on the nut than it would be by using a longer stud.It may do but probably not enough to get concerned about, I’ve known trucks that have run with them for years, so why go to the time and expense of replacing the studs?
Agreed.I was obviously referring to an ideal world regarding anyone who is happy to make the choice of changing the studs.No big deal.
I personally say " good effort " to the OP. He/she had a look at the wheel studs and wasn’t sure if they looked right or not. Without prior knowledge of aftermarket alloys being used with short studs and sleeve nuts, I can understand the caution if they don’t ‘look’ right.
Never driven a wagon with alloy wheels myself, so you learn something new every day!
I must admit when I first saw the picture my instinct was it looks a bit dodgy but then I’m unfamiliar with Alcoa’s.
Upon reading the replies and further research my mind has been put at rest that everything is fine.
OMG a whole day in the yard refusing to drive the motor is a special level of agency, jeepers creepers why not undo a nut to check.
Each to their own though, my moto is if it looks strange fiddle with it and see what happens.
Unrelated but ‘Wowzers’ is my wife’s climax scream and mine come to think of it.
Carryfast:
AndrewG:
Theres nothing from stopping you using a longer stud.Great so as I said that nut and a longer stud aren’t mutually exclusive so it’s not an either or choice as described by switch.It’s just a choice and no need to cricify anyone who would prefer to use a longer stud.
yes its just being able to use whats available ie sleeved nuts with extra thread to compensate for shorter threads if used with thicker wheels ie Alcoas without going to the expense of changing all the studs…
eagerbeaver:
I personally say " good effort " to the OP. He/she had a look at the wheel studs and wasn’t sure if they looked right or not. Without prior knowledge of aftermarket alloys being used with short studs and sleeve nuts, I can understand the caution if they don’t ‘look’ right.Never driven a wagon with alloy wheels myself, so you learn something new every day!
+1 at least he asked
Nkh22:
I’ve never seen anything like it,not left the yard all day as can’t get a straight answer from anyone regarding them.Been waiting for Daf Aid for last few hours.
I’ve never seen that type of nut/stud combo either tbh.
If I did I would also have been asking questions, whether it would take all day sat in the yard or not is something else.
A phone call to a few mates, or ask other drivers, phone DAF agent, or even phone the guy in charge at home would have took me all of 5 minutes, …but then again I aint agency. 
switchlogic:
Nkh22:
switchlogic:
Nkh22:
I’ve never seen anything like it,not left the yard all day as can’t get a straight answer from anyone regarding them.Been waiting for Daf Aid for last few hours.You’ve spent a day in yard because you’ve never seen wheelnuts like this before? Wowsers.
That’s correct,you can read…Wowsers.!!!
Apologies, I was just taken aback at the daftness of it all. Waiting hours for Dafaid? They clearly gave it the priority it deserves…
Why is he daft? He’s never come across these studs and wheel nuts. Priority? Holds the wheels on.
I’d have taken the time to go canoeing and take in a lamb lunch at a riverside pub.
robroy:
I would also have been asking questions,
To be fair it would probably make it easier in that regard if they didn’t bother with threading the nuts to the end thereby removing any possible confusion between short studs used with correct nuts v short studs possibly fitted with the wrong standard nuts. 
robroy:
Nkh22:
I’ve never seen anything like it,not left the yard all day as can’t get a straight answer from anyone regarding them.Been waiting for Daf Aid for last few hours.I’ve never seen that type of nut/stud combo either tbh.
If I did I would also have been asking questions, whether it would take all day sat in the yard or not is something else.
A phone call to a few mates, or ask other drivers, phone DAF agent, or even phone the guy in charge at home would have took me all of 5 minutes, …but then again I aint agency.
he isnt daft.he didnt know.mabey he tought some fanny fitter put the wrong nuts on etc,…they dont look right unless you know they are acceptable. id jump in and drive,though if it was my own truck,and own expence,id have the long ones on just because they would look right.(to me).
no matter what you have,then someone makes a newer,better,cheaper variant that is meant to work just as well…some do,some dont.there legal,its not my dosh,crack on drive…kicking the ■■■ out of it wondering for a day passing the buck makes sense of your agency or tosco trained.
Yes well done to the OP for questioning it. As a workshop engineer for 20-odd years,i like to see a thread flush or protruding from the nut. Whether I’d have sat in the yard 
. I’d have got a torque wrench from the nearest workshop,checked them at 600 and been on my way 
. Not being familiar with this and reading the replies,i understand the principal. The nut had a shoulder so you’ve got the same amount of stud thread in at as with steel rims. Correct?
Dipper_Dave:
Unrelated but ‘Wowzers’ is my wife’s climax scream and mine come to think of it.
something read and an impression created in the mind’s eye, Jap or otherwise, cannot be unread and subsequently unimagined 
Will no one think of the children 
I’ve come across these before,and like the op,was concerned.
So…I sought the advise of a fitter,who said they were sleeves.
So I carried on
Nobby_Clarke:
Yes well done to the OP for questioning it. As a workshop engineer for 20-odd years,i like to see a thread flush or protruding from the nut. Whether I’d have sat in the yard
The idea seems to be that they effectively extend the stud using a threaded tube with a nut and shoulder head on it.Which leaves the question why bother threading the thing to the end thereby predictably creating confusion as to whether it’s the correct type of stud extending tube nut v a wrongly fitted standard nut during a walk around check.
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
OMG a whole day in the yard refusing to drive the motor is a special level of agency, jeepers creepers why not undo a nut to check.
Each to their own though, my moto is if it looks strange fiddle with it and see what happens.
Unrelated but ‘Wowzers’ is my wife’s climax scream and mine come to think of it.
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wowsers sounds more like something the new boy would say at boarding school when being attended to by the headmaster or the school bully…
Carryfast:
coiler:
Volvo supply the same Alcoa rime with short studs and those sleeved nuts on a factory spec. I’ve used them on all my tractor units since 2001. You can also spec the longer studs and conventional nut if you like. I spec with short stud so I could put steel rims on when I come to sell the unit if required. I’ve never had any issues with studs breaking or nuts coming loose.Which leaves the question why would that nut shown be mutually exclusive with a longer stud.
It isn’t. They’re simply an much easier option than changing all the studs that’s all. No point paying for longer studs and longer nuts is there, hence they rarely be seen together but they can be used together if you so wish. No doubt you’ll turn this into a 10 page tirade about alloys
Juddian:
Dipper_Dave:
Unrelated but ‘Wowzers’ is my wife’s climax scream and mine come to think of it.
Will no one think of the children
Give her my regards 
Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
your fitter definately sounds like the one that last did the brakes on the "pass the near miss for " posting
what does he do for a job?
Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
You’ve done right thing let the fitter take the can as if he said no then no it is [emoji6]
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Nkh22:
Hahahah,I ain’t a limper.! And I made all the relevant calls even to Daf myself before getting company involved,they couldn’t give me a straight answer.The company then sent out a fitter to re-torque the nuts,on arrival the fitter said “I aint touching that it’s wrong” hence sitting in the yard all day…better to be safe than sorry…!!
That throws a different light on it. (Unless you are back pedalling to save face )
If the fitter HAD been right (we now know he was not) your balls would have been on the line if things had gone wrong.
You would have thought a qualified fitter would have known.
So on that note you did right mate I reckon, wait for verification and clearance to move.
