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We had a casual driver get caught stealing diesel a couple of months ago. He was only really noticed as the next driver got in the wagon to find the cab absolutely stinking of diesel. Turns out, he’d managed to spill the diesel in the cab, and on the carpets.

Also, I rang about a job for a local company who did most of their work pulling for IKEA from Doncaster. I’d seen the advert on the Fish4Jobs website, so just called to require. The phone call went a little something like this.

Reubs: Hi, good morning, I’m calling about the job I’d seen advertised on the Fish4Jobs website.

Him: Oh, hi, yes. What is it you want to know?

Reubs: Well, I’m looking for work and was interested in applying.

Him: Do you have a car? If so, is it diesel, or petrol?

Reubs: Indeed I do, it’s diesel.

Him: I’m sorry, I can’t help you. Bye!

And then the phone went dead. I’ve never ever stolen a thing on my life, and because this guy has obviously had drivers feeling they can steal diesel, other drivers who drive diesel cars are now tarred with the same brush to suggest that they’re thieves.

Personally, I’d shop anyone I had seen stealing diesel. No matter what the pay and conditions are, it’s theft, wrong, and the people doing it are usually the ones whining that they’re not getting paid enough. Well, maybe if they thought outside the box, they’d realise the boss can’t pay any more because his fuel bill is more than it should be. If someone feels the pay isn’t good enough, then may be they should choose to do the right thing about it - ie, go and get a better job.

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Fatboy slimslow:

puntabrava:
Anybody who has knowledge of any crime committed within society and does nothing is only contributing to the downward slide of social values and in my opinion is little better than the offender. To state that any action taken depends how much the third party is paid in this exact case makes that individual unemployable in my eyes and I would sack all those with knowledge of the situation, one way or another.

once upon a time, I went for a pint in a southern suburb of Manchester! :laughing: on the other side of the road was a fight and a man stabbed another man to death! :imp: unfortunately for a man called ( police witness/ grass ) he was spotted by said man with the knife in his hand :smiling_imp: three hours later on Trafford park ( near bowlers, big roundabout ) said police/ grass had his head blown off with a shotgun! :cry: unfortunately for the man with the knife in his hand, and the man who pulled the trigger! He didn’t know me as I’d been away in the paras! :sunglasses: did I grass him up? :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: who knows? I hate grasses, but he’s still inside 20 years later for a double murder! :grimacing: people will MURDER people for grassing up here in Manchester! So think carefully before YOU GRASS! :wink:

Think it highly unlikley the op is goin to get his head blown off and his goolies posted to his family if he told his boss wot he saw/knows, if he did then he wouldnt hav to worry about the guy who came into the pub tryin to flog him black market goods

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kiwitaff:

Truckulent:
Let’s assume for a moment that you work at Tosco/Sains/Asda etc…

You feel a bit aggrieved your pay isn’t what you think it should be, so you start helping yourself to whisky in order to flog on for a few extra quid every week.

Do you think that’s OK, and would you report it if you saw someone else doing it?

And, do you think Tosco would prosecute you if you were caught?

This thread has only one correct answer. Unless you’re a thief. :sunglasses:

But if a lad you know comes up to you in the pub and says… i got some cheap baccy… whisky… meat… nike sweatshirts… Do you A… take them coz life is hard and so on or B say no you are a thief and im going to grass on you…

It’s never happened but personally, I would shop them unless they had a ■■■■ good explanation of it’s provenance. If it’s nicked, some poor sod who is quite possibly having an even harder life has just had it made harder again by some ■■■■ nicking their stuff.

If the guy you spotted nicking diesel was someone you knew, but he was nicking it out of your car, would you still think it was OK? :question:

I’m sure my elderly uncle (almost 90 and sight failing), that was burgled a few weeks ago, (and thousand of others like him), would be really chuffed to hear plenty of ‘honest working’ truck drivers think it’s fine to turn a blind eye to thieving… :unamused:

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Reubs766:
We had a casual driver get caught stealing diesel a couple of months ago. He was only really noticed as the next driver got in the wagon to find the cab absolutely stinking of diesel. Turns out, he’d managed to spill the diesel in the cab, and on the carpets.

Also, I rang about a job for a local company who did most of their work pulling for IKEA from Doncaster. I’d seen the advert on the Fish4Jobs website, so just called to require. The phone call went a little something like this.

Reubs: Hi, good morning, I’m calling about the job I’d seen advertised on the Fish4Jobs website.

Him: Oh, hi, yes. What is it you want to know?

Reubs: Well, I’m looking for work and was interested in applying.

Him: Do you have a car? If so, is it diesel, or petrol?

Reubs: Indeed I do, it’s diesel.

Him: I’m sorry, I can’t help you. Bye!

And then the phone went dead. I’ve never ever stolen a thing on my life, and because this guy has obviously had drivers feeling they can steal diesel, other drivers who drive diesel cars are now tarred with the same brush to suggest that they’re thieves.

Personally, I’d shop anyone I had seen stealing diesel. No matter what the pay and conditions are, it’s theft, wrong, and the people doing it are usually the ones whining that they’re not getting paid enough. Well, maybe if they thought outside the box, they’d realise the boss can’t pay any more because his fuel bill is more than it should be. If someone feels the pay isn’t good enough, then may be they should choose to do the right thing about it - ie, go and get a better job.

You should have given it 30 mins, phoned back in a different voice and when asked about the car answered "Petrol dear boy " :wink:

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Ah, I missed a trick there! To be honest, I’m not sure I’d want to be working for a guy who makes a decision about my suitability for a job on whether I drive a petrol/diesel car anyways. . .

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I’m going to put an employers perspective on this.

IF I found out by my own means that one was stealing, and that another knew about it but didn’t tell me, then the later would also be on a disciplinary.

Most employers would take the same view. I have some experience of this.

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puntabrava:
Please also take on board the fact that I was employing people when I was 19 years of age, I have managed to buy a few houses and paid a sibling out on the family farm.

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Well done you, I’m so proud of your monumental achievements. What have I done? Doesn’t matter, I dont feel the need to boast about my achievements, possessions and wealth on a forum. Not that I have much of the latter two, but then I don’t measure success on how much money I have or how many houses I own. But duly noted, thanks for the information, I shall now treat you with the reverence you so clearly deserve. X

ps as for insulating ■■■■■■■■■■■, can I remind you you started us on that road if you remember. Glass house anyone?

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Conor:

switchlogic:
Here we go then for the simpletons, if as an employer you look after me, with decent pay and decent attitude I will do everything I can to assist you. Treat me like crap and pay me poorly and I will NEVER steal from you but nor will I police your company for you. I will come in, do my work, go home, nothing more, nothing less. Simple. NOWHERE in my original post did it say I condone theft, or that I would do it myself. What it did say, very clearly, was if an employer wants loyalty they need to give it back.

Yes you did, the part where you said you knew but you’d say and do nothing. If a haulage company has 5 drivers, the cost of one driver stealing 2 jerry cans of diesel a week is enough to have paid for a 2% wage rise for all of the drivers.

Did you pluck that 2% out of thin air? Everyone is missing the easy answer, be a good employer and your employees will look after you, simple. Ive worked for some right [zb], some of which screwed me out of wages left right and centre. Nice to know plenty if you will spy on your fellow employees no matter how bad the employer treats you or rips you off. How very loyal of you. And then you’ll all be moaning on another thread about how badly drivers are treated.

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Can I just clarify that I meant a lot more than just ‘thinking I’m not paid quite enough’. I also said I never steal. In my current job the pay could be better but I would still report the person concerned to the boss, and indeed did a couple of years ago over another issue. All my point was treat me like something you trod on and I’ll treat you the same. I’m not gonna watch the bosses back if he treats me like a bit of dirt. Like I say, be a good employer and your employees will look after you. All these hypotheticals saying I’d sack anyone who didn’t tell me are daft, my hypothetical is I would create a workplace where people wouldn’t want to steal from me, and if they did I would be told about it by other drivers.

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switchlogic:

Conor:

switchlogic:
Here we go then for the simpletons, if as an employer you look after me, with decent pay and decent attitude I will do everything I can to assist you. Treat me like crap and pay me poorly and I will NEVER steal from you but nor will I police your company for you. I will come in, do my work, go home, nothing more, nothing less. Simple. NOWHERE in my original post did it say I condone theft, or that I would do it myself. What it did say, very clearly, was if an employer wants loyalty they need to give it back.

Yes you did, the part where you said you knew but you’d say and do nothing. If a haulage company has 5 drivers, the cost of one driver stealing 2 jerry cans of diesel a week is enough to have paid for a 2% wage rise for all of the drivers.

Everyone is missing the easy answer, be a good employer and your employees will look after you, simple. Ive worked for some right [zb], some of which screwed me out of wages left right and centre. Nice to know plenty if you will spy on your fellow employees no matter how bad the employer treats you or rips you off. How very loyal of you. And then you’ll all be moaning on another thread about how badly drivers are treated.

I know what you mean… Trouble is, by default you’re saying it’s OK to steal if the person you’re stealing from is paying less than average wages and is a bit of a ■■■■■

Good luck with those excuses in a court of law! :slight_smile:

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Truckulent:

switchlogic:

Conor:

switchlogic:
Here we go then for the simpletons, if as an employer you look after me, with decent pay and decent attitude I will do everything I can to assist you. Treat me like crap and pay me poorly and I will NEVER steal from you but nor will I police your company for you. I will come in, do my work, go home, nothing more, nothing less. Simple. NOWHERE in my original post did it say I condone theft, or that I would do it myself. What it did say, very clearly, was if an employer wants loyalty they need to give it back.

Yes you did, the part where you said you knew but you’d say and do nothing. If a haulage company has 5 drivers, the cost of one driver stealing 2 jerry cans of diesel a week is enough to have paid for a 2% wage rise for all of the drivers.

Everyone is missing the easy answer, be a good employer and your employees will look after you, simple. Ive worked for some right [zb], some of which screwed me out of wages left right and centre. Nice to know plenty if you will spy on your fellow employees no matter how bad the employer treats you or rips you off. How very loyal of you. And then you’ll all be moaning on another thread about how badly drivers are treated.

I know what you mean… Trouble is, by default you’re saying it’s OK to steal if the person you’re stealing from is paying less than average wages and is a bit of a [zb]!

Good luck with those excuses in a court of law! :slight_smile:

Why would I be in court?

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switchlogic:

Truckulent:

switchlogic:

Conor:

switchlogic:
Here we go then for the simpletons, if as an employer you look after me, with decent pay and decent attitude I will do everything I can to assist you. Treat me like crap and pay me poorly and I will NEVER steal from you but nor will I police your company for you. I will come in, do my work, go home, nothing more, nothing less. Simple. NOWHERE in my original post did it say I condone theft, or that I would do it myself. What it did say, very clearly, was if an employer wants loyalty they need to give it back.

Yes you did, the part where you said you knew but you’d say and do nothing. If a haulage company has 5 drivers, the cost of one driver stealing 2 jerry cans of diesel a week is enough to have paid for a 2% wage rise for all of the drivers.

Everyone is missing the easy answer, be a good employer and your employees will look after you, simple. Ive worked for some right [zb], some of which screwed me out of wages left right and centre. Nice to know plenty if you will spy on your fellow employees no matter how bad the employer treats you or rips you off. How very loyal of you. And then you’ll all be moaning on another thread about how badly drivers are treated.

I know what you mean… Trouble is, by default you’re saying it’s OK to steal if the person you’re stealing from is paying less than average wages and is a bit of a [zb]!

Good luck with those excuses in a court of law! :slight_smile:

Why would I be in court?

You wouldn’t, personally.

If you actually carry out the deed and use the excuse that your wages are poor and the boss is a ■■■■■ a court wouldn’t accept that as justification.

I merely pointed out the flaw in your reasoning.

You shouldn’t steal because it’s wrong, not because your boss happens to be a ‘good chap’ and treats me well.

If your boss is a ■■■■■ you go elsewhere, not steal from him!!

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And I’m going to point out, yet again, that no matter how bad the company I wouldn’t personally steal. Blimey, I’m having to repeat myself a lot on this topic. The flaw in your reasoning is you are making out I said things I didn’t.

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Truckulent:

switchlogic:

Truckulent:

switchlogic:

Conor:

switchlogic:
Here we go then for the simpletons, if as an employer you look after me, with decent pay and decent attitude I will do everything I can to assist you. Treat me like crap and pay me poorly and I will NEVER steal from you but nor will I police your company for you. I will come in, do my work, go home, nothing more, nothing less. Simple. NOWHERE in my original post did it say I condone theft, or that I would do it myself. What it did say, very clearly, was if an employer wants loyalty they need to give it back.

Yes you did, the part where you said you knew but you’d say and do nothing. If a haulage company has 5 drivers, the cost of one driver stealing 2 jerry cans of diesel a week is enough to have paid for a 2% wage rise for all of the drivers.

Everyone is missing the easy answer, be a good employer and your employees will look after you, simple. Ive worked for some right [zb], some of which screwed me out of wages left right and centre. Nice to know plenty if you will spy on your fellow employees no matter how bad the employer treats you or rips you off. How very loyal of you. And then you’ll all be moaning on another thread about how badly drivers are treated.

I know what you mean… Trouble is, by default you’re saying it’s OK to steal if the person you’re stealing from is paying less than average wages and is a bit of a [zb]!

Good luck with those excuses in a court of law! :slight_smile:

Why would I be in court?

You wouldn’t, personally.

If you actually carry out the deed and use the excuse that your wages are poor and the boss is a [zb], a court wouldn’t accept that as justification.

I merely pointed out the flaw in your reasoning.

But Luke isn’t saying he’d justify stealing from a boss because of poor wages/attitude to staff. He’s saying he would not be prepared to get involved between the boss and another colleague if he knew stealing was happening. Basically, if his boss is an arse, why should he get involved.

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m1cks:

Truckulent:

switchlogic:

Truckulent:

switchlogic:

Conor:

switchlogic:
Here we go then for the simpletons, if as an employer you look after me, with decent pay and decent attitude I will do everything I can to assist you. Treat me like crap and pay me poorly and I will NEVER steal from you but nor will I police your company for you. I will come in, do my work, go home, nothing more, nothing less. Simple. NOWHERE in my original post did it say I condone theft, or that I would do it myself. What it did say, very clearly, was if an employer wants loyalty they need to give it back.

Yes you did, the part where you said you knew but you’d say and do nothing. If a haulage company has 5 drivers, the cost of one driver stealing 2 jerry cans of diesel a week is enough to have paid for a 2% wage rise for all of the drivers.

Everyone is missing the easy answer, be a good employer and your employees will look after you, simple. Ive worked for some right [zb], some of which screwed me out of wages left right and centre. Nice to know plenty if you will spy on your fellow employees no matter how bad the employer treats you or rips you off. How very loyal of you. And then you’ll all be moaning on another thread about how badly drivers are treated.

I know what you mean… Trouble is, by default you’re saying it’s OK to steal if the person you’re stealing from is paying less than average wages and is a bit of a [zb]!

Good luck with those excuses in a court of law! :slight_smile:

Why would I be in court?

You wouldn’t, personally.

If you actually carry out the deed and use the excuse that your wages are poor and the boss is a [zb], a court wouldn’t accept that as justification.

I merely pointed out the flaw in your reasoning.

But Luke isn’t saying he’d justify stealing from a boss because of poor wages/attitude to staff. He’s saying he would not be prepared to get involved between the boss and another colleague if he knew stealing was happening. Basically, if his boss is an arse, why should he get involved.

Because stealing is illegal. Blimey, some folk don’t know the laws of the land!!

Next time, it could be you they’re stealing off!! If you see it and don’t report it (even though you aren’t obliged to by law,of course) you aren’t doing anyone any favours, except the thief. I don’t like thieves and I would never let them get away with it for such a paltry reason that the boss is an arse!

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Oh god now we’re in the ‘what if they killed your whole family’ territory. WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

You implied I’d be in court earlier for not saying anything, maybe its your good self that isn’t quite au fait with the ‘laws of the land’.

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switchlogic:
Oh god now we’re in the ‘what if they killed your whole family’ territory. WONT SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

You implied I’d be in court earlier for not saying anything, maybe its your good self that isn’t quite au fait with the ‘laws of the land’.

Well my kids say I am a bit of an arse and have been legally stealing from me for years :stuck_out_tongue:

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I don’t really understand why so many people are struggling to understand what switch is saying.

I originally said I’d not say say owt, but there’s more to it than that, it’s not always a straight forward yes or no. Day 1 of a new job you find a long termer nicking a bit, would you say owt? You know someone is on the rob but you also know a lot more people higher up the food chain know, will you be the one to let the top man know? Large or small firm, it shouldn’t make a difference, but it does.

I agree with what switch has said. I’ve never robbed juice or anything out of the trailer, or anything for that matter.

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Thank you! The problem is too many people think everything in life is just black and white, when in reality its many shades of grey

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switchlogic:
Thank you! The problem is too many people think everything in life is just black and white, when in reality its many shades of grey

50, according to my wife :blush: