well i’ve had my weekly phone call…and i’m back to work on Wednesday 
bit of learning the new social distancing practices,bit of remembering how to couple a trailer up 
etc…but will be glad to be back!
i think 
R420:
robroy:
Sorry if I’ve got this wrong as I usually just try and get the jist only of your posts rather than read the full content… if I can be EVEN arsed to do that.
I have a longer attention span than many but even I have given up with his posts. They all follow the same format : some agency vs permie whinge + whinge about hours/contract + whinge about furlough + whinge about someone claiming something from HMRC that he has personally decided they are not entitled to because reasons + it’s all happening because some people voted the ‘wrong’ way in Brexit. Once you’ve read one, you’ve read them all so you’re not missing anything new.
The common thread through any moans I might make - is that rather than abuse me to my face, I get lied to, and acted against behind the scenes, as if there were any need for such dishonesty on their parts.
FFS People on here don’t have any difficulty telling me things I don’t want to hear - do they?
Why all this pretence at work then, be it full time with or without an agency involved?
The format seems to be "Let him Get unpopular with one’s own rank-and-file colleagues, grass him up for plenty of minor things that others get routinely away with, let such “evidence” reach critical mass (Eg. 4 carpetings in 90 days) and then either sack directly (if full time) or “let go by the phone not ringing” (if agency).
This is a one-size fits all approach of course, and permits all kinds of nepotism to take place over time.
What happens one day though, when they’ve succeeded in getting rid of all the political opponent “enemies” from their midst, and leave themselves with the “yessir” 6-points on licence bods that easily run up more actual damage/insurance claims per year than those like yours truly did with their clean licences, A1.00 driving scores, who since got to find another job pronto on that basis, and burned their bridges to boot?
As I am now, it wouldn’t be work going back to the place that got rid of me - even if I were offered £20ph. I’d take nothing less than a full time contract at that rate - nothing less… I don’t need it any more, so the most powerful person in a “negotiation” - is they that won’t take the deal at any price as it is on the table… “The Art of the Deal” indeed! 
If the firms I was outed from - now go down the tubes, whilst those that I now work for - now prosper, then I will have the satisfaction of knowing that I was right all along, and I even get to gloat over the downfalls of those brought low by the actions of their “Majority” members, let’s say…
I’m done with agencies. I’ll not be lied to, and treated like a piece of meat any longer. 
Just because a majority think I’m an arse, doesn’t mean they are correct, nor are my arguments invalid merely because one has to have an IQ above 120 to buy into them. 
If anything, you should be patting me on the back one-and-all - for coming around to YOUR general way of thinking with regard to agencies - Right?
At least it isn’t just me though: I don’t regret leaving RM when I did at that time, as I could already feel the walls closing in when I opted for EVR…
Had I become “risk-averse” - I would have hung on for a few more months, only to be sacked on some pretence at the first opportunity “acting management” got.
Other drivers of similar seniority to myself, did actually get sacked shortly after I slung my hook - for reasons ranging from “Too many sicks” to “Backtalking customers”.
I don’t take it personally because I saw such crap meted out to others, not singled upon me alone.
It is just a culture of Back-biting, Laziness, and Complacency in H&S that such “acting” people always close ranks to protect their own worthless positions with. Perhaps by the time this crisis is over, there will be rather less of such people left in the workplace.?
I jumped before I was pushed…
Lately, I got pushed before I ever knew I need to jump…! 
You’ve posted that same spiel 3000 times before, you just rearrange the order of the words. Most people in your position would stop and ask themself : “I’m having these same problems at every place I go to. Are they really all idiots or could it be me and I need to change my attitude?” 
I expect another hour long essay in reply refuting any suggestion that the root cause of all your issues lay closer to home that you want to believe. You can lead a horse to water…
toonsy:
No idea what you said bud. I got three lines in and couldn’t be bothered with the rest.I did note that you still seem to be failing to grasp how furlough works though.
I tried pointing that out to him in another thread. He keeps waffling on about either the company or the agency and some conspiracy theory about making up the 20% difference in pay and who is getting shifts based on this.
R420:
You’ve posted that same spiel 3000 times before, you just rearrange the order of the words. Most people in your position would stop and ask themself : “I’m having these same problems at every place I go to. Are they really all idiots or could it be me and I need to change my attitude?”I expect another hour long essay in reply refuting any suggestion that the root cause of all your issues lay closer to home that you want to believe. You can lead a horse to water…
Let’s keep this short: I don’t have any “attitude” - unless and until I start getting abuse.
Hows that for a short, and to-the-point reply?
Looks like it’s all the other hundreds of drivers who have a problem then. I suggest you take a step back and review your posts on here and the responses to them, then convert that experience into real life. When you put the jigsaw pieces together you’ll see a picture emerge.
Winseer:
Hows that for a short, and to-the-point reply?
YAY…
HALLELUJAH
Kinda back to the topic, Was down the docks at Southampton for a collection this afternoon at gate 20, Big old container ship unloading and a lot more boxes being pulled out of there than I’ve seen for a long while. Things may be starting to look up a bit.
Winseer, you always bring up the fact you get no infringements, have perfect driving scores, do all the undesirable shifts no-one else wants blah blah blah yet time and time again you find yourself being forced out of places you are working at and refuse to believe it is something you are doing or saying.
You never hear of anyone else having the same issues you describe. Naturally you believe you are doing nothing wrong, but you must be doing something you are not aware of!
On topic, in back up and running from Monday!
tmcassett:
undesirable shifts no-one else wants blah blah blah
Always puzzled me,too.
Those undesirable shifts,that winseer thinks he specialises in…are actually the most popular at my firm.
Agency get the day/afters slots.
tmcassett:
Winseer, you always bring up the fact you get no infringements, have perfect driving scores, do all the undesirable shifts no-one else wants blah blah blah yet time and time again you find yourself being forced out of places you are working at and refuse to believe it is something you are doing or saying.You never hear of anyone else having the same issues you describe. Naturally you believe you are doing nothing wrong, but you must be doing something you are not aware of!
I was told to clean up my act, and I did. I got pushed out anyway. References were made to past sins already de-briefed by that point.
I’ve been told “The thing you do wrong - is argue the toss when we want to get rid of you for no specific reason, because we are not legally obliged to give you one”.
In other words “I’m unpopular because I push back”.
Presumably, I’m supposed to go quietly into the night, “never ask why”…
commonrail:
tmcassett:
undesirable shifts no-one else wants blah blah blahAlways puzzled me,too.
Those undesirable shifts,that winseer thinks he specialises in…are actually the most popular at my firm.
Agency get the day/afters slots.
I wouldn’t have thought Late Night Starts would be very popular - if full timers now get the same rate for working those as they do for working earlies or afternoons, as they now do where I just left…
I might have expected a “flat rate” for full timers to push them all towards the early doors shifts, with little incentive to work the antisocial hours for the same money…
The same as you say though, appears to be across the supermarket sector. I asked about work elsewhere, and got told “We’ve got lots of low paid earlies, but no nights”, which would seem to indicate that there has now been a shift in work full timer culture making “nights” as popular even for the same money as you say. 
A loss to me, of course - but I’ve now moved on. I didn’t see this coming, this “shift in culture”.
Winseer:
tmcassett:
Winseer, you always bring up the fact you get no infringements, have perfect driving scores, do all the undesirable shifts no-one else wants blah blah blah yet time and time again you find yourself being forced out of places you are working at and refuse to believe it is something you are doing or saying.You never hear of anyone else having the same issues you describe. Naturally you believe you are doing nothing wrong, but you must be doing something you are not aware of!
I was told to clean up my act, and I did. I got pushed out anyway. References were made to past sins already de-briefed by that point.
I’ve been told “The thing you do wrong - is argue the toss when we want to get rid of you for no specific reason, because we are not legally obliged to give you one”.In other words “I’m unpopular because I push back”.
Presumably, I’m supposed to go quietly into the night, “never ask why”…
So you’ve been doing agency work for probably a decade or more (judging from your posts here) and after all this time you still haven’t figured out not to argue back and keep your gob shut? No wonder you’ve got nowhere left to work. You’ve only got yourself to blame for being so dumb. It’s rule number 1 to go in, do the job exactly as instructed and keep your head down; that’s how you end up working there long term by building up a rapport with the office wallahs and transport planners who liaise with the agencies. You seem to spend all your time getting into altercations and arguments with their permies over all sorts of silly and pointless nonsense so unsurprisingly you quickly get labelled as being a nob and the permies conspire to force you out at every chance they get.
You can argue until you’re blue in the face about how ‘right’ you were to “argue the toss” and “push back” but that only stands some small chance of working when you’re a long-standing permie driver with a clean record and you have a shop steward backing you up. It absolutely does NOT work when you’re an agency driver… as your long history of “they don’t want to use you anymore” whinges prove.
I’m willing to bet if there was a poll here “if you owned a haulage company, would you employee Winseer as a driver (or in any other capacity for that matter)?” at least 95% of the answers would be a firm ‘no’, possibly even 100%. That should tell you everything you need to know. You need to change your attitude and you need to stop contradicting yourself. In a post a couple of weeks back you claimed that you kept your head down and just got on with the job, but here you are admitting that you “argue the toss” and “push back”. If you can’t figure it out from this then there is no helping you. You’ve been told enough times but it’s like you’ve got your fingers in your ears. Go see a shrink and get professional help.
Winseer:
commonrail:
tmcassett:
undesirable shifts no-one else wants blah blah blahAlways puzzled me,too.
Those undesirable shifts,that winseer thinks he specialises in…are actually the most popular at my firm.
Agency get the day/afters slots.
I wouldn’t have thought Late Night Starts would be very popular - if full timers now get the same rate for working those as they do for working earlies or afternoons, as they now do where I just left…
I might have expected a “flat rate” for full timers to push them all towards the early doors shifts, with little incentive to work the antisocial hours for the same money…
But my rates hav’nt changed?
Are you suggesting,companies are going to drop enhancements?
Has anybody else had their rates cut?
commonrail:
Has anybody else had their rates cut?
No. Mainly because I like many have a thing called a “contract” which guarantees me a minimum amount of hours at various prescribed rates according to time of day/day worked.
So then…Agency won’t be coming in and taking all your premium shifts.
Think winseer’s gone to bed 
R420:
Winseer:
tmcassett:
Winseer, you always bring up the fact you get no infringements, have perfect driving scores, do all the undesirable shifts no-one else wants blah blah blah yet time and time again you find yourself being forced out of places you are working at and refuse to believe it is something you are doing or saying.You never hear of anyone else having the same issues you describe. Naturally you believe you are doing nothing wrong, but you must be doing something you are not aware of!
I was told to clean up my act, and I did. I got pushed out anyway. References were made to past sins already de-briefed by that point.
I’ve been told “The thing you do wrong - is argue the toss when we want to get rid of you for no specific reason, because we are not legally obliged to give you one”.In other words “I’m unpopular because I push back”.
Presumably, I’m supposed to go quietly into the night, “never ask why”…
So you’ve been doing agency work for probably a decade or more (judging from your posts here) and after all this time you still haven’t figured out not to argue back and keep your gob shut? No wonder you’ve got nowhere left to work. You’ve only got yourself to blame for being so dumb. It’s rule number 1 to go in, do the job exactly as instructed and keep your head down; that’s how you end up working there long term by building up a rapport with the office wallahs and transport planners who liaise with the agencies. You seem to spend all your time getting into altercations and arguments with their permies over all sorts of silly and pointless nonsense so unsurprisingly you quickly get labelled as being a nob and the permies conspire to force you out at every chance they get.
You can argue until you’re blue in the face about how ‘right’ you were to “argue the toss” and “push back” but that only stands some small chance of working when you’re a long-standing permie driver with a clean record and you have a shop steward backing you up. It absolutely does NOT work when you’re an agency driver… as your long history of “they don’t want to use you anymore” whinges prove.
I’m willing to bet if there was a poll here “if you owned a haulage company, would you employee Winseer as a driver (or in any other capacity for that matter)?” at least 95% of the answers would be a firm ‘no’, possibly even 100%. That should tell you everything you need to know. You need to change your attitude and you need to stop contradicting yourself. In a post a couple of weeks back you claimed that you kept your head down and just got on with the job, but here you are admitting that you “argue the toss” and “push back”. If you can’t figure it out from this then there is no helping you. You’ve been told enough times but it’s like you’ve got your fingers in your ears. Go see a shrink and get professional help.
I’ve only ever started to argue and push back - once the abuse starts.
To start with, at any place I’ve worked - I’m left alone, and I keep stumn myself, just getting on with the job, and trying to keep my head down as you mention.
Then I start getting grassed up for minor things like “parking tractor in wrong part of yard” or “cutting corners on walkways”, or on one occasion - having a quick quip at a warehouseman who’d opened my back door within seconds of me backing a trailer onto that bay on a green light, but before I’d even got out of the cab to start de-coupling that trailer! Unsafe!! I was the one who got accused of “backing onto a red light” though, full timer can’t do no wrong, sadly… It was his word against mine “who’d committed the unsafe act”, and he just lied to drop me in it.
I duly get carpeted, but now I have the management watching me like hawks all the time, and moaning if I so much as go down a street that’s not on the official map, but legal to use nonetheless…
I suggest that if ANY of us got subjected to such close scrutiny, any of us would be picked apart by any overzealous bod using the company surveillance kit to make my life a misery, which would seem to be a mis-use of such kit, at least it would be to a Unionized Full Timer, who are all-too-often the ones doing the abusing sadly…
I even put in a grievance when I was at Brakes for this kind of behaviour from management:
“This is a food delivery business - not MI5”.
You might be correct on your social assumptions to a certain extent, but the more forward-looking employer - is going to think more along the lines of
Can he drive the truck from A to B in the cheapest way possible for company costs and liabilities?
or
“Is he a financial liability in any way other than he puts a lot of hours in, something which we appreciate here?”
If one is a “jobsworth” manager, who worries more about “this upstart making us look bad” - then my days there will of course be numbered.
We’ll know by the end of the year if such an out-moded way of running a firm - brings it down - won’t we?