toonsy:
It took me all of a split-second to see the poster, see the length of the post, evaluate it all as waffle (because it very likely is based on previous) and carry on past it.
To make it easier on my eyes and reduce the RSI I blocked his posts, so I only have the misfortune to see them when someone quotes them, hence my request to folks to minimise the quotes
peirre:
toonsy:
It took me all of a split-second to see the poster, see the length of the post, evaluate it all as waffle (because it very likely is based on previous) and carry on past it.To make it easier on my eyes and reduce the RSI I blocked his posts, so I only have the misfortune to see them when someone quotes them, hence my request to folks to minimise the quotes
Sorry 
as he’s on my blocked list as well , but for some reason today I looked at he’s post 
Did you actually listen to what the Scottish first minister said you seem to be spreading confusion everywhere and its not helpfull
Ive worked 7 days a week since this came about. Contact with people every day handling goods passing money etc. I havent got covid (yet) well not to my knowledge.
I will continue to work through it even i there is a second wave. I wont stop.
As for sturgeon she will do the oppososite of whatever the PM says as to lay blame. Independence warcry will be odds on in bookies when this is over. I might personally send someone round to see her if she mutters any word of it as i know people who have lost members to covid.
This is the main criteria but at the back of her head the wee scottish bug will be nipping her nut.
Im scottish i voted leave europe and i vote for whoever i want.
There will be riots up here the first time she speaks of independence using this as a focul point.
2000 deaths in scotland. Yes because we have 50% land where you dont see a bus. Only sheep.
hamish2017:
Did you actually listen to what the Scottish first minister said
Don’t live in Scotland so has absolutely no effect on my life at least, plus who the heck listens to that woman? She’s more annoying than Jeremy Corbyn and Iann Blackford combined. 
As for premium overtime, would love to know who ever paid £16 hour. Never got offered more than £15 on a bank hol emergency cover. That’s where I stopped reading the post.
As for small companies - ours is likely small to medium, do maybe 400 employees with lots of posters about PPE, washing hands etc but eventually given a small hand gel and had to buy own wipes. Suspect many will be the same.
latest from number 10.
We have a 6 phase plan to reopen the country, the plan will be a phased plan that will plan
to utilise in phases, the phases will be planned and the planning will be phased.
we will move quickly and slowly to open but remain closed. I have created a staff of staffers
who will plan the phase and planning while phasing their phases.
and that is our reopening plan.
Thank you.
Bozza
steviebyday:
latest from number 10.
We have a 6 phase plan to reopen the country, the plan will be a phased plan that will plan
to utilise in phases, the phases will be planned and the planning will be phased.
we will move quickly and slowly to open but remain closed. I have created a staff of staffers
who will plan the phase and planning while phasing their phases.
and that is our reopening plan.
Thank you.
Bozza
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Sent while in furlough
steviebyday:
latest from number 10.
We have a 6 phase plan to reopen the country, the plan will be a phased plan that will plan
to utilise in phases, the phases will be planned and the planning will be phased.
we will move quickly and slowly to open but remain closed. I have created a staff of staffers
who will plan the phase and planning while phasing their phases.
and that is our reopening plan.
Thank you.
Bozza
So he has sacked Dominic ■■■■■■■■ and brought Sir Humphrey Appleby out of retirement?
Wot a load of chumps! Quoting my post - what? four times there, without actually adding or taking away anything from it? 
I don’t need to prove anything here - you’re doing it for me. 
If you’re not gonna read my stuff - then ignore it all the way.
If you’re going to comment on stuff I’ve said - then comment on what I’ve actually said, not moan about something totally irrelevant that wasn’t even in the post…
There’s plenty on here that do know how to do that properly, and turn it into a “discussion” and “healthy debate” should there be the inevitable opposing opinions…
Alternatively, you can take the line that many do - “refuse to read long posts on short Iphone screens”.
At least that makes sense… 
robroy:
‘‘Either [zb] behave yourselves or it’s 10 of Winseer’s Trucknet posts’’
Woah easy Rob, you’ll have social services involved if you go in that heavy
steviebyday:
latest from number 10.
We have a 6 phase plan to reopen the country, New, First Quarter, Gibbous, Full, Last Quarter, and Old the plan will be a phased plan that will plan
to utilise in phases, the phases will be planned and the planning will be phased. Plans are useless, but planning is essential (Dwight D Eisnenhower)
we will move quickly and slowly to open but remain closed. I have created a staff of staffers This staff is of the +3 variety, which will take out a werewolf, - but not a dragon.
who will plan the phase and planning while phasing their phases. Thoth (Wise Deity) won so much from Khonshu (Moon Deity) that Khonshu had to re-pay the debt in his own light - there was no longer enough light to shine “full” all month long, and thus the phases were born. (Egyptian Legend)
and that is our reopening plan. Now all we need is a Tin Opener, and a teacher who’s not walled themselves up at home to tell us how to operate it.
Thank you.
Bozza
robroy:
yourhavingalarf:
If I had kids…Which I don’t, I’d print all his ramblings off and then at bedtime, read 'em to the little darlings…they’ll be out like a light in under two minutes.
Nah you ain’t thinking this through.
His posts would be better used to your kids as a punishment.
Guaranteed they would soon do as they are told.Excellent deterrent, …‘‘Either [zb] behave yourselves or it’s 10 of Winseer’s Trucknet posts’’
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The end of the lockdown and downturn in the industry can’t come soon enough. The availability of being able to work 80 hours again for some agency drivers would mean that they don’t have time to be posting on internet forums.
You got me wrong… With the higher taxes coming, I’ve got no intention of returning even to 56 hours working - let alone 80 hours!
Work-Life Balance Review
Now watch the hapless full timers in the job I left - moan as they are asked more often now to cover the awkward shifts I used to do - but for the flat money that they now get, “slightly Higher than Day rate, but much lower than agency night rate”.
Not so cushy as full timers thought - having fewer agency about now huh?
Not so cushy for client firms - having fewer agencies about now, neither.
Expect massive amounts of sickie-throwing, IF things ever get back to remotely normal now.
You wouldn’t want to see me working flat-out again though, as I’d be seeing more going on, and have more to write about - wouldn’t I?
Winseer:
You got me wrong… With the higher taxes coming, I’ve got no intention of returning even to 56 hours working - let alone 80 hours!Work-Life Balance Review
Now watch the hapless full timers in the job I left - moan as they are asked more often now to cover the awkward shifts I used to do - but for the flat money that they now get, “slightly Higher than Day rate, but much lower than agency night rate”.
Not so cushy as full timers thought - having fewer agency about now huh?
Not so cushy for client firms - having fewer agencies about now, neither.
Expect massive amounts of sickie-throwing, IF things ever get back to remotely normal now.
You wouldn’t want to see me working flat-out again though, as I’d be seeing more going on, and have more to write about - wouldn’t I?
Sorry if I’ve got this wrong as I usually just try and get the jist only of your posts rather than read the full content… if I can be EVEN arsed to do that. 
So…To wing it for a moment, I’m assuming your agency work has dropped, and you ain’t getting furloughed, and presumably skint or missing the cash…(tbf I do genuinely sympathise with you if that is the true version of events. )
But to come back after so many weeks at it, and basically do towards full timers what my little grand daughter does to me when she gets one over on me …(saying na na na na na, and sticks her tongue out) comes across as a bit petulant tbh mate,.and a tad embarrassing.
I’m sure those full timers will be glad of ANY work, good or bad, after living off only 80% of their wage for x no of weeks, (or that 80% equates to actually 100% more than you?) and not give any ■■■■ agency drivers a second thought, especially those ones who are bleating about the extra rate per hour gravy train coming to a halt…
Just saying like, …and if I’m way off on your personal circumstances, try making your posts a bit more concise and a bit less waffle style ■■■■■■■■ in future.
Cheers. 
Winseer:
You got me wrong… With the higher taxes coming, I’ve got no intention of returning even to 56 hours working - let alone 80 hours!Work-Life Balance Review
Now watch the hapless full timers in the job I left - moan as they are asked more often now to cover the awkward shifts I used to do - but for the flat money that they now get, “slightly Higher than Day rate, but much lower than agency night rate”.
Not so cushy as full timers thought - having fewer agency about now huh?
Not so cushy for client firms - having fewer agencies about now, neither.
Expect massive amounts of sickie-throwing, IF things ever get back to remotely normal now.
You wouldn’t want to see me working flat-out again though, as I’d be seeing more going on, and have more to write about - wouldn’t I?
Maybe the full timers will just be happy enough to have a job? Maybe looking around they realise that some security also needs balancing out with some flexibility?
You can guess this and guess but being brutally honest where has it got you other than thrown on the tip by your agency which in turn got thrown on the tip by the client.
Seems legit.
I don’t think I was the only one to not get paid… From a business angle it might have been worked out by management on both sides (client and agency) as follows:
(1) Do you have enough work for this bod to make up between 20% and 100% of their former regular hours they were working…?
If so, then give them the 20% exactly (one shift out of the five they used to do…) so that when we pay them 20% of their former wage for doing 20% of the work - we can claim the other 80% from the government, and everyone’s happy. We’re getting his services for the usual cost to us, and we’re keeping them on as being wanted when this is all over.
(2) There is NOT enough work left for this bod to get 20%, so we’ll stand them down on nothing at all. We don’t want to be paying them 20% with the government making up the other 80%, so we’ll just let that person sit at home, still on the books here, but getting no work for some time to come. If they leave of their own accord in the meantime, then we have not fraudulently applied for furlough grant in this person’s name/number on the books.
(3) There’s no work for ANYONE - in which case we’ll have to fold the agency, as there’s no way we can afford to make up the 20% for our people to sit at home not earning at the client’s yard…
OR… We can enter into an agreement with stood-down drivers - ALL of them - that they might accept 75% of their pay (for example) which would allow the grant to cover this amount of payroll, and leave us with 5% to pocket to cover our own administrative process…
My beef with all this was that the client can pick and choose which people they want to ask for “by name”, so that johnny blue eyes gets their 20% of shifts, and qualifies for any furlough payment - at no cost to neither client or agency NET. Any reasons at all why someone else, such as myself - can’t have 20% of their former hours - means that we could be paid, but let’s just get rid of them by the backdoor instead, which just isn’t honest, as I suspect that had I been directly dismissed for any actual proper reason - any cliam for a furlough grant by the wider business, at least for that one location of that business chain - might be put in danger of being “Fraudulent”. FIrms are not supposed to pay furlough to some, and let go others. It was meant to be an “Everyone” or “No one” on a location-by-location basis.
I have heard of some other examples of such practices by agency/client yard team-ups in the last few weeks NOT me this time around, but like those other people on here who didn’t get the furlough they may have been expecting…
Here’s the scam:
Firm wants you to “resign” so they don’t get into trouble. Agency bod refuses, and insists on being dismissed, if the firm has any objections that could lead to an actual fair and square dismissal.
Firm then calls bod into office, and shows them some firm’s camera footage of say, driver speeding, or using a phone whilst driving…
Firm then says “Resign, or we submit this camera data to VOSA where you will get points on your licence, and no doubt a fine. What do you want to do driver?”
Driver resigns, as they already have 9 points on their licence, and there are still plenty of other places that’ll take you on with that. NO one will take any driver on with a ban in place though.
Driver has successfully been bullied out of the door, constructively dismissed.
Here’s another scam:
Driver starts working at yard, and starts to date one of the girls that works there in admin, say a 20 something Eastern European girl.
Acting Manager who got dumped by same girl a few weeks back, before new driver had even started - builds up evidence on new driver, and then runs a situation similar to the first example above - to get rid of them, and resign.
Driver doesn’t turn up any more, and maybe Girl quits as well. Either way, Acting Manager - has got their revenge by mis-using firm’s facilities to ruin not one - but TWO people’s private lives in this example.
This wouldn’t be possible of course, if we were all peter perfects, never getting tacho infringements, never running late, never going down the wrong street, and never rubbing acting managers up the wrong way with long-winded arguments - all of which someone like me has been guilty of in the past, I make no bones about it.
The trouble with “acting managers” is that most of them are ex-drivers who know all the dodges we mere mortal drivers might partake in.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again though:
“The long-term work atmosphere - becomes a hell when one promotes former Poachers into Gamekeepers - and gives them computers to facillitate their miseries upon any underling they so single out for punishment.”
Union or No Union - doesn’t make any difference, because if there IS a Union these “acting managers” will be of some standing within it, and if there’s NO Union - there won’t be any third parties there to act “watching the watchers” if you will.
How many other Non-driving businesses - could do with a cull of acting managers at this point?
…Perhaps by the time this “crisis” is all over, they will find themselves being “surplus to requirements” in due course.
I’ve never heard of anyone being prosecuted for “mis-using company computer kit to abuse staff”. In any normal time, - it might be considered “Gross Misconduct” in it’s own right…?
No idea what you said bud. I got three lines in and couldn’t be bothered with the rest.
I did note that you still seem to be failing to grasp how furlough works though.
toonsy:
No idea what you said bud. I got three lines in and couldn’t be bothered with the rest.I did note that you still seem to be failing to grasp how furlough works though.
Nice to see he took my advice I tried to give him, in my last post on this thread.
I’m now thinking they got shot of him because he bored the ■■■■ arse of everybody, in a …‘‘Are we not suffering enough already with this virus’’ type of way.
robroy:
toonsy:
No idea what you said bud. I got three lines in and couldn’t be bothered with the rest.I did note that you still seem to be failing to grasp how furlough works though.
Nice to see he took my advice I tried to give him, in my last post on this thread.
I’m now thinking they got shot of him because he bored the [zb] arse of everybody, in a …‘‘Are we not suffering enough already with this virus’’ type of way.
Funnily enough I had much the same thought earlier. I even wondered of hed even thought maybe he causes his own trouble? But we know the answer to that…
robroy:
Sorry if I’ve got this wrong as I usually just try and get the jist only of your posts rather than read the full content… if I can be EVEN arsed to do that.
I have a longer attention span than many but even I have given up with his posts. They all follow the same format : some agency vs permie whinge + whinge about hours/contract + whinge about furlough + whinge about someone claiming something from HMRC that he has personally decided they are not entitled to because reasons + it’s all happening because some people voted the ‘wrong’ way in Brexit. Once you’ve read one, you’ve read them all so you’re not missing anything new.