Not looking forward to next week

[franglais]

switchlogic:

Winseer:

switchlogic:
Oh I’m sure it’s not unheard of but it’s very far from common

I hear that at the discounter RDC work “80% of your work is not driving”…

Does that mean “Drivers” have to pick, load, and drive the wagons to the stores when working there then?

…It must take a while to prep-pick the entire load for your own wagon, I mean… Is it true though?

Not much to say to this, I’m sure it makes sense in your head but not to me sorry. rolling eyes emoji

Looks like Luke is bored…
To answer Winseer’s query “Is it true” about drivers picking, stacking, wrapping pallets, and then loading their own vehicles, I suspect a very short reply would be in order.

[franglais]

Truckulent:

Franglais:

Truckulent:

Franglais:

Truckulent:

Franglais:

Truckulent:

Franglais:

yourhavingalarf:

Truckulent:
And secondly, if masks and gloves are so effective, how come the biggest spread of Covid has happened in hospitals and care establishments where the quality of PPE is high and the correct procedures are followed regarding application and removal?

Was your question…

I’ve answered that.

Whether or not you agree with it, I care not.

Maybe a valid question would be
“how effective are using gloves and masks, compared to not using them?”
I wonder how many Doctors and Nurses would volunteer to work on a C19 ward without them, as a control?

Doctors and nurses. Professionals using professional grade equipment correctly.

Unlike folk in the supermarkets with a bit of old scarf tied around their face they keep fiddling with before touching their phones, surfaces in shops, doors conveyor belts.

Sorry, but there is no comparison between professionals using professional grade equipment correctly and dozy shoppers with ill fitting masks made out of old socks they keep fiddling with!!!

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Fair comment
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Edit.
Or at least it is, as far as it goes.
Agreed that badly used masks are no help.
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But that doesn’t address your previous comments about their use in hospitals failing to prevent transmission.
Sure their is transmission, but wouldn’t it be worse withour masks? .
Your initial statement is flawed.

We’ll never know as I’m sure no experiment to that effect has been trialled.
But then again the ‘advice’ regarding this ‘new’ virus has changed so much that I doubt any of the experts would be prepared to stake their own lives on their claims.

Nevertheless, wearing a non approved mask incorrectly is going to stop zilch when correctly worn pro PPE wasn’t infallible.

Today I witnessed (out of a sample of 40 I counted) 31people go in and out of Primark.(waiting for the wife) all of whom touched their mask and faces as they entered or left. Most grabbed it by the business part and shoved it in their pockets. Others pulled their masks out of the same pocket they’d just taken the mobile phone from. And this is the great way to stop the virus? Laughable.

And, as all this rages, 0.044% of the UK population have died ‘with’ an illness that 80%+ suffer nothing more than a minor inconvenience from and that, were it not for constant media bombardment the good folk of this country would be utterly unaware of.

The world has truly gone mad.

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No.
You’re mixing up your figures.
0.0whatever% Of the POPULATION have died.
80% of the INFECTED have only minor symptoms.
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Misleading putting those figures together.
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About 1% of those infected die. Many more have serious effects, including being in intensive care. Some will have life long effects.
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Less than 10% of the population have been infected so far.
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No

0.044% of the population have died. The numbers that have died from the virus who have been infected AND DO NOT HAVE THREE OR MORE SERIOUS HEALTH ISSUES are similar. It is only those that do have health issues that are succombing - and over half of them are over 80 for goodness’ sake!!

The estimated numbers who have died with genuinely no other (known) health issues is around 1300. And most of those were over 60.

The question that needs asking is ‘how many deaths have been as a direct result of Covid and nothing else and where no other health issues were present’?
That includes obesity - that’s a health issue.

The numbers for this are much, much lower than the 45000 + that are claimed to have died ‘with Covid’.

The chances of a healthy person under 60 dying of Covid is around 0.15%. The chances of the same individual dying in an RTC is about 0.39%. So you’re over twice as likely to die on the roads than from Covid.

But we’re still all having to wear pointless masks and bleat when we’re told to by a government that makes the Dad’s Army crew look efficient…

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I think you’re asking the wrong questions.
“How many die who have no underlying problems” is irrelevant. The UK has almost 30% of it’s population obese, so at a single swipe 30% are exempt from those you’re talking about! They are still human beings.
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And that approx 0.4% figure you mention is a lifetime risk isn’t it? If we were to end lockdown and all preventive measures wouldn’t the virus expand exponentially and (up to herd immunity levels) infect the population in a year or 18months or so? Again you’re comparing two different things.
UK road traffic deaths annually, has been under 1,800 for years.
Look at the figures you give for C19 and then try to equate them!

Hardly irrelevant is it? No more than quoting figures of deaths, a lot of which had bugger all to do with Covid.

Look at the figures for cancer, heart disease, diabetes lung disease, etc etc we live with these risks daily. People die from these illnesses all the time. No one cares because they just don’t think it will happen to them.

If 30% are obese, simple - it’s in their hands to change it. If not, they’re at increased risk, but they key to reducing that risk is up to them, no one else.

0.044% is a tiny number. You cannot mitigate entirely all risk all the time otherwise no one would ever leave their house.

You cannot run the world based on looking after a tiny percentage of the population at the expense of everyone else, as those of you who think that we should lockdown until Covid magically 'goes away’seem to think.

It’s here to stay. You can either get on with your life, make the best if things and take a tiny risk. Or hide in the cupboard where you may well get cancer anyway and die of boredom.

Make your choice.

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Concentrating on the death rate for those in perfect health is largely irrelevant.
28% Obese. 18% over 65yrs. 27% already die because if heart disease. 24% drink more than recommended amount. 14% smoke. 12% asmatic.
Run the world for a tiny percentage of the population? Agreed those currently with low risk shouldn’t dictate rules for all.
How many of the UK pop are without any compounding factors at all?
And if those who are obese are at more risk, are you suggesting their health should be somehow discounted?
“The risk is up to them”.
I disagree, my actions have am impact on my fellow citizen’s life.
Having deaths from heart disease, cancer etc relevant how? We rightly spend million combating these issues, so because we haven’t succeeded in wiping them out, is that somehow a reason to not combat C19. I really don’t see what you are arguing here?

Is washing hands, keeping distant and wearing masks properly such a hardship?
I’m not advocating “hiding in a cupboard”, but am saying proportionate measures are appropriate.
All actions have associated risks. Proper hygiene measures help reduce risk at little cost. Why not employ such measures?
C19 is likely here to stay. But, with luck a vaccine could make it’s effect much less felt.

[the_maoster]

Guys, for the love of God sort these quotes out! It’s making an interesting debate between the pair of you virtually unreadable.

[commonrail]

Franglais:

switchlogic:

Winseer:

switchlogic:
Oh I’m sure it’s not unheard of but it’s very far from common

I hear that at the discounter RDC work “80% of your work is not driving”…

Does that mean “Drivers” have to pick, load, and drive the wagons to the stores when working there then?

…It must take a while to prep-pick the entire load for your own wagon, I mean… Is it true though?

Not much to say to this, I’m sure it makes sense in your head but not to me sorry. rolling eyes emoji

Looks like Luke is bored…
To answer Winseer’s query “Is it true” about drivers picking, stacking, wrapping pallets, and then loading their own vehicles, I suspect a very short reply would be in order.

Could be winseers new thing.

First we were going to be forced into"any five from seven"
Then,forced to do all his unfavoured shifts…without premium uplift(obvs)
Then there’s the unpaid overtime…and now it looks like we’ll have to"pack,wrap and stack"our own vehicles,aswell.

Grim times

[franglais]

the maoster:
Guys, for the love of God sort these quotes out! It’s making an interesting debate between the pair of you virtually unreadable.

Sorry if that’s me messing it up.
I’m trying to include the points I’m contesting, but cutting out the rest.
I sometimes manage on my laptop, but difficult on phone…
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At 90kph drinking coffees, etc etc

[switchlogic]

Franglais:
Looks like Luke is bored…
To answer Winseer’s query “Is it true” about drivers picking, stacking, wrapping pallets, and then loading their own vehicles, I suspect a very short reply would be in order.

Pretty much nail on head!

[winseer]

switchlogic:

Franglais:
Looks like Luke is bored…
To answer Winseer’s query “Is it true” about drivers picking, stacking, wrapping pallets, and then loading their own vehicles, I suspect a very short reply would be in order.

Pretty much nail on head!

So what IS that very short reply then hmm?

Here’s another question: Agency Driver’s Network was abbreviated to ADR for a reason I still don’t understand.
So… .What does ADR stand for in the context of this particular agency? A sensible person might expect ADN to be it’s initials, after all?

[manalishi]

Franglais and his ilk are just creaming themselves at the prospect of a fast-tracked,Gates underscored,syringe of Mercury,foetal tissue and god knows what else.DNA modifying technology i’d wager.My hunch is that the recent ‘get your annual flu-jabs’ propaganda has probably achieved the goal of weakening the elderly and infirm’s immunity systems already and still they line up for more You can cherry-pick all those carefully,nuanced medical- tropes from pompous,periodicals ad-nauseum,there’s a sizeable portion of Indian and African vaccine-damaged folks who would beg to differ,in fact there’s a major law-suit in the offing.

There’s no shifting these disturbing,sheep-like group-think types.They are the real enemy of us all.

[switchlogic]

Winseer:

switchlogic:

Franglais:
Looks like Luke is bored…
To answer Winseer’s query “Is it true” about drivers picking, stacking, wrapping pallets, and then loading their own vehicles, I suspect a very short reply would be in order.

Pretty much nail on head!

So what IS that very short reply then hmm?

Here’s another question: Agency Driver’s Network was abbreviated to ADR for a reason I still don’t understand.
So… .What does ADR stand for in the context of this particular agency? A sensible person might expect ADN to be it’s initials, after all?

Agency DRivers Network

[switchlogic]

manalishi:
Franglais and his ilk are just creaming themselves at the prospect of a fast-tracked,Gates underscored,syringe of Mercury,foetal tissue and god knows what else.DNA modifying technology i’d wager.My hunch is that the recent ‘get your annual flu-jabs’ propaganda has probably achieved the goal of weakening the elderly and infirm’s immunity systems already and still they line up for more You can cherry-pick all those carefully,nuanced medical- tropes from pompous,periodicals ad-nauseum,there’s a sizeable portion of Indian and African vaccine-damaged folks who would beg to differ,in fact there’s a major law-suit in the offing.

There’s no shifting these disturbing,sheep-like group-think types.They are the real enemy of us all.

I’m assuming George Soros has retired then and Bill Shape Shifting Lizard Gates took over? I do hope Soros was presented with the obligatory gold watch, such a lovely man

[manalishi]

switchlogic:

manalishi:
Franglais and his ilk are just creaming themselves at the prospect of a fast-tracked,Gates underscored,syringe of Mercury,foetal tissue and god knows what else.DNA modifying technology i’d wager.My hunch is that the recent ‘get your annual flu-jabs’ propaganda has probably achieved the goal of weakening the elderly and infirm’s immunity systems already and still they line up for more You can cherry-pick all those carefully,nuanced medical- tropes from pompous,periodicals ad-nauseum,there’s a sizeable portion of Indian and African vaccine-damaged folks who would beg to differ,in fact there’s a major law-suit in the offing.

There’s no shifting these disturbing,sheep-like group-think types.They are the real enemy of us all.

I’m assuming George Soros has retired then and Bill Shape Shifting Lizard Gates took over? I do hope Soros was presented with the obligatory gold watch, such a lovely man

Soros and his satanic brood (4 of em) are essentially henchmen,■■■■-catchers for the real architects of evil,you guessed it messrs Jacob and Evelyn de Rothschild.The blood soaked history of all planet-earths problems can be laid at these entities doors,ie- every war,revolution and social cataclysm has their talon prints.They are the head of the snake of control,with a big side-order of Kabbalic/Luciferian worship into the mix.There’s extensive info on them online if you’re inclined.

[winseer]

manalishi:

switchlogic:

manalishi:
Franglais and his ilk are just creaming themselves at the prospect of a fast-tracked,Gates underscored,syringe of Mercury,foetal tissue and god knows what else.DNA modifying technology i’d wager.My hunch is that the recent ‘get your annual flu-jabs’ propaganda has probably achieved the goal of weakening the elderly and infirm’s immunity systems already and still they line up for more You can cherry-pick all those carefully,nuanced medical- tropes from pompous,periodicals ad-nauseum,there’s a sizeable portion of Indian and African vaccine-damaged folks who would beg to differ,in fact there’s a major law-suit in the offing.

There’s no shifting these disturbing,sheep-like group-think types.They are the real enemy of us all.

I’m assuming George Soros has retired then and Bill Shape Shifting Lizard Gates took over? I do hope Soros was presented with the obligatory gold watch, such a lovely man

Soros and his satanic brood (4 of em) are essentially henchmen,■■■■-catchers for the real architects of evil,you guessed it messrs Jacob and Evelyn de Rothschild.The blood soaked history of all planet-earths problems can be laid at these entities doors,ie- every war,revolution and social cataclysm has their talon prints.They are the head of the snake of control,with a big side-order of Kabbalic/Luciferian worship into the mix.There’s extensive info on them online if you’re inclined.

Voting against anything they are behind - is the best and only way to act against them all.

[switchlogic]

Jesus that was a can of worms I shouldn’t have opened

[winseer]

switchlogic:
Jesus that was a can of worms I shouldn’t have opened

[switchlogic]

Winseer:

switchlogic:
Jesus that was a can of worms I shouldn’t have opened

One thing I do enjoy about you is no matter how much any of us disagree with you or take the ■■■■ you never take it personally. If only everyone online took a leaf out of your book

[winseer]

switchlogic:

Winseer:

switchlogic:
Jesus that was a can of worms I shouldn’t have opened

One thing I do enjoy about you is no matter how much any of us disagree with you or take the ■■■■ you never take it personally. If only everyone online took a leaf out of your book

I am a laid back guy who only gets offended when I’m kicked where it hurts - in my pocket, rather than my ego that is.

The issue of “Furlough pay” was the most offended I have been for about a decade, of course… I think I vented most of my spleen over these “acting manager jobsworths” who saw to it that I didn’t qualify for what I thought was over 10k in “entitled to” gardening leave payouts, that would have kept me in the agency sector from their point of view - but now no. It’ll be interesting to who’s right and who’s wrong come the end of this year, where we face a Christmas and new year period like no other in living memory, one way or the other, especially from January 2nd 2021…

Sunak made a mistake of making furlough an “employer’s discretion” whilst also saying ZHC workers were as entitled to it as everyone else… NOPE. If any ZHC workers ever got furloughed on the 80% spoken of - then it must have been those few “favourites” that always seem to get the work, no matter how quiet it is.

Those many people actually on furlough pay that have foolishly decided to take “payment holidays” on their credit - have also found out to their cost that their credit ratings are trashed.
That in turn, has ruined the lives of those people currently saving up for a house deposit, and thinking “Hey, with this furlough pay added to my side job income AND taking a payment holiday - I can now raise a deposit by the end of THIS year…” Nope. The banks are treating people who’ve applied for “Payment Holidays” like those who’ve already defaulted, or even worse so - because once actaully defaulted, a six year clock starts with the slate wiped clean after that period as “Statute Barred”.

There’s still due a lot more changes between now and the end of the year.
It isn’t just the economy that’ll never be the same again - but Society itself, too…

I don’t know if there are many Star Wars Canon fans on here, but I saw echos of “Jango Fett Clones” in this latest report from Farage…

Nigel Farage investigates: Who is really staying at this 4 Star Hotel?

So what happens when ALL our otherwise empty and mothballed hotels are full of these military aged all-male “clones” around the country?
…Are they waiting for “General Order 66”■■

WTF are our government playing at■■?
I don’t want to think that some power-hungry shadow figure yet to come to power here - is trying to raise a replacement army here of Jihadis to fight their rather than our future battles with?
…This goes WAY beyond “waving people through our immigration system - so they can become state-dependent, and will always vote Left forever after…”
…More likely they will replace the recently-cracked-down-upon brudder gangs running the county lines organized criminal outfits…

Power abhors a vacuum.

[toonsy]

switchlogic:

Winseer:

switchlogic:
Jesus that was a can of worms I shouldn’t have opened

One thing I do enjoy about you is no matter how much any of us disagree with you or take the ■■■■ you never take it personally. If only everyone online took a leaf out of your book

And you can disagree with him and it doesn’t signal the start of some long winded feed where he’ll reply to all and any posts. So i concur, if only more people had that approach on here.

[manalishi]

Winseer:

manalishi:

switchlogic:

manalishi:
Franglais and his ilk are just creaming themselves at the prospect of a fast-tracked,Gates underscored,syringe of Mercury,foetal tissue and god knows what else.DNA modifying technology i’d wager.My hunch is that the recent ‘get your annual flu-jabs’ propaganda has probably achieved the goal of weakening the elderly and infirm’s immunity systems already and still they line up for more You can cherry-pick all those carefully,nuanced medical- tropes from pompous,periodicals ad-nauseum,there’s a sizeable portion of Indian and African vaccine-damaged folks who would beg to differ,in fact there’s a major law-suit in the offing.

There’s no shifting these disturbing,sheep-like group-think types.They are the real enemy of us all.

I’m assuming George Soros has retired then and Bill Shape Shifting Lizard Gates took over? I do hope Soros was presented with the obligatory gold watch, such a lovely man

Soros and his satanic brood (4 of em) are essentially henchmen,■■■■-catchers for the real architects of evil,you guessed it messrs Jacob and Evelyn de Rothschild.The blood soaked history of all planet-earths problems can be laid at these entities doors,ie- every war,revolution and social cataclysm has their talon prints.They are the head of the snake of control,with a big side-order of Kabbalic/Luciferian worship into the mix.There’s extensive info on them online if you’re inclined.

Voting against anything they are behind - is the best and only way to act against them all.

They’re behind everything Winseer,banking,pharma,‘politics’.They’ve always played both sides of the street for aeons.We can never have a decent and just planet while these demonics run the show.

[franglais]

the maoster:
There doesn’t appear to be a lot of rhyme or reason to the plague; Spain introduced compulsory mask wearing more than three weeks ago yet has been put back on the quarantine list. As much as medical types would have you believe to me it appears to be nothing more than a lottery as to whether you get it and if you do how it affects you.

Anyone have any figures for Sweden who seem to have bucked the whole lockdown/mask rigmarole.

Not easy to make meaningful comparisons between different countries.
Death rates , even with the same infection rates will vary because of different health care, or demographics. (A young healthy population, with a good health service makes a big difference)
The UK has about ten times the population density of Sweden, and over 6 times the total pop. (Infection is more likely in London than the Swedish countryside)
Household size is different, and so is housing itself.
Lots of variables. The same actions have different results in different places.
Sweden may not have strict lockdown laws, but does that mean no-one is modifying their own behaviour voluntarily or following advise.
Swedish first schools stayed open, but not their secondary schools and colleges.
Older people were advised to stay home.
Gatherings of over 500 people have been banned.
Social distancing in shops.

Some quick and dirty figures.
UK… …67m pop…46,000 C19 deaths…0.69…deaths per 1,000.
Sweden…10m pop…5,700 C19 deaths…0.57…ditto…
Denmark…5.8m pop…610 C19 deaths…0.11…ditto…
Norway…5.4m pop…255 C19 deaths…0.047…ditto…

So,it looks to me that the Swedish death rate is a little better than that of the UK, but is much worse than that of its Scandinavian neighbours. Their stronger measures, I reckon, have saved lives. Sweden doing a little better than us, may well be due to factors other than lockdown rules. Comparing them, and their actions, to us, isnt as useful as comparing them to Denmark and Norway.

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I used Statista for all the death figures. And Wikipedia for population and country stats.
statista.com/statistics/110 … in-sweden/

[winseer]

Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics…

Ahh Statistics…

All this is like trying to pick the winner of the grand national… Blinding you with the form, the stats, the distance travelled to the racecourse…

What good did all those “Stats” do anyone?

NO “Odds On Favourite” has EVER won the Grand National. (Shortest priced winner was Poethlyn who won at odds of 11/4 (against) in… Flu Epidemic Year 1919… Odd Coincidence, but apt for this analogy…

If there was no odds-on favourite, then there simply was never any majority that thought this particular horse was going to win.

Being “Odds-On” - means automatically that in excess of 50% of the entire book - is bet upon that one horse… There of course can only be a single odds-on favourite in a race, or bookmakers would be seen as total crooks, which they HAVE been from time to time around the world, of course…