Ahh come on, It is down to Pollocks to sort it out, they are just trying to get out of doing any work by blaming the agency.
I would love to see what the TC would say about their “Continuous and effective control” in such a case. It is down to Pollocks to know who is driving any of their vehicles at any time. Whilst I do not agree with the way Richie is going about things, Pollocks can not discharge their responsibilities to their O licence by stating such utter claptrap that it is down to the agency to fill in the form.
Yet another company trying to wriggle out of responsibility, should you really hold an O-licence■■?
I reckon there is more to it as Semtex states, but I think there is something dodgy between Pollocks and the Agency!!!
stu, i dont know how you can say that m8.pollocks got a NIP found the driver to be from an agency and forwarded the NIP to the agency.
simple really,i dont see as to what else pollocks could have done.
as stated had it been one of there employed drivers…they would have passed the NIP on to them personally.
as he came from an agency all they could do was pass the nip on to them.
THE FACT THE AGENCY GAVE IT TO FANNY IS IRRELEVENT AS FAR AS POLLOCKS WERE CONCERNED.
as they found the driver to be from that agency it is down to that agency to pass the NIP on to the right driver…
If a NIP comes in we check our sheets to see who was driving and then either fill out our own drivers details or if it was an agency we would forward it to them.
If a NIP comes in addressed to you (as a company) then surely it is your responsibility to fill the thing in and send it back. It isn’t addressed to the agency…
The NIP would be sent to the registered keeper of the vehicle, that we assume to be Pollocks, the agency really only have to provide the contact details for the driver (Home address etc). It is down to Pollocks to know who that driver was. Just as it is down to Pollocks to ensure that driver has had enough rest before his shift started etc, they can not discharge those responsibilities by saying it was an agency driver. If that is what is happening (and is what Scott has said in his post) then it would be interesting to see their record keeping and I would not like to be a TM on their O-Licence should VOSA decide to do a spot check!!!
If a NIP comes in we check our sheets to see who was driving and then either fill out our own drivers details or if it was an agency we would forward it to them.
If a NIP comes in addressed to you (as a company) then surely it is your responsibility to fill the thing in and send it back. It isn’t addressed to the agency…
G
Exactly.
If the Agency had not sent it back (cos they forgot etc) I don’t think Pollocks would have much of a defence, the issuer of the NIP would summons Pollocks not the agency.
if your boss get a NIP for the vehicle you were driving…he hands it to you as soon as your next in the orifice.being as he knows you were driving…cos he has just checked his records…am i right so far…?
so you boss gets a NIP and after chcking he see,s the vehicule was driven by an agency bod at that date and time…
so your boss contacts the said agency and relays the NIP details etc…said agency say oh aye that woz joe bloggs send me the NIP and i will make sure the driver gets it…
there taking the responsability of checking to see who the driver was and passing the info to the agency…to further pass on to the driver…
how am i doing■■?
the fact the agency seem to have passed the bloody NIP on to the wrong driver sureley ain pollocks,s concern…as he has fullfilled his obligation to make sure the offending driver has been given the NIP.■■?
ohterry:
there taking the responsability of checking to see who the driver was and passing the info to the agency…to further pass on to the driver…
how am i doing■■?
the fact the agency seem to have passed the bloody NIP on to the wrong driver sureley ain pollocks,s concern…as he has fullfilled his obligation to make sure the offending driver has been given the NIP.■■?
now look wot uve dun…my head hurts now…
Close mate The NIP asks for the Registered keeper to name the driver, it does not say, “ere buddy, if you werent tu driver pass it on like”. Therefore it is the registered keepers responsibility. Pollcks (and I am sure others) may have their own way of dealing with it between them and the agency, but at the end of the day it is down to Pollocks to sort it out, their vehicle - to all intents and purposes their driver as well (for that shift anyway).
And it seems Scott would like to end this thread as quickly as possible, and to be fair so would I if I were in his shoes, Hope a certain govt agency is not reading this, time to get those records in date order to make the inspection easier for the nice man from the ministry eh Scott
not worried in the slightest just bored of it. As i state agencies are under no legal obligations to disclose their staff’s personnell details. This not an agreement between Pollock and an Agency this is normal practise. So if we cant get the drivers name and address we chase the agencies to fill out the required documentation. All well above bored and very normal
scanny77:
the company i did work for is irrelevant but the reg is certainly not V2PSL and by the time i come home tonight, i will know exactly what time i started that day which will hopefully be to close to 00.15 for me to make it from lamberton to bathgate then on to the other client before my start time therefore undeniably proving i wasnt on the A1 at that time. there may even be CCTV at the petrol station of me if i fuelled up on my way to work as i normally do (its quieter at that time of night) or even a posting on there before i left for work.
one way or another, i wasnt driving the truck that got caught and i will prove it if needs be
well, im not getting involved - but i will say that i have worked with agency’s for a while now and 99% of the time im documented as “AGY DRIVER James”
All the company ever want to know is my name and which agency i work for.
Only once has a company ever asked for my licence to photocopy.
If official documentation ever arrved to them - they would not have a clue as to who i was.
I turn up, i do the work, i go home. No other info is needed.
who is a prat pollocks for trying to set him up. or his agency for half heartly trying to help him or scanny for trying to clear his name.
It seems, from reading some of the above posts, it was his agency who gave the wrong driver details in the first place, not Pollocks, and they have now admitted it. It’s pretty much done and dusted. Simple mistake and easily rectified with a bit of communication as opposed to full on toys out the pram.
who is a prat pollocks for trying to set him up. or his agency for half heartly trying to help him or scanny for trying to clear his name.
It seems, from reading some of the above posts, it was his agency who gave the wrong driver details in the first place, not Pollocks, and they have now admitted it. It’s pretty much done and dusted. Simple mistake and easily rectified with a bit of communication as opposed to full on toys out the pram.
Although the toys option is often more fun.
you are too quick neil. i hadnt read all the above replys so ive been back and edited.
My bad.
who is a prat 