limeyphil:
it’s the drivers job.
any driver worth his salt wouldn’t want anyone else securing his load.
Only time i think in 2013 i am agreeing with Slimeyphill here
The only time a loader should be officially doing your nets/straps is if your not allowed out of cab during loading and the load is up in the rafters in such a way that you can’t physically get the nets /straps across the load, even then it’s still your responsibility to ensure it’s done correctly before venturing on to the road. For me personally it’s a pita to turn up on a miserable Monday morning and find that my load isn’t wrapped & strapped, however 15-20 minutes later it’s sorted, sure it can eat into the days schedule, but it’ll cause more problems if the forkies are still loading hours after the load was due to set off just because they’ve had to wrap & strap everything that they’ve loaded so far.
Todays top tip, if you have some time spare, help a fellow driver wrap & strap his load, you’d be amazed at how often that little gesture comes back to help you.
To be fair that is such a ■■■■ start time, it’s not quite nights and its not quite days. But still your responsible at the end of the day, also what would happen if you came in and had a headlight bulb out on the unit? That’s another 10 minutes. Seems like your planners arnt allowing for things like this.
Also has anyone got a picture of these nets?? From what I’ve read on here they sound no different to an actual curtain as they hang on the internal rails anyway??
FarnboroughBoy11:
To be fair that is such a [zb] start time, it’s not quite nights and its not quite days. But still your responsible at the end of the day, also what would happen if you came in and had a headlight bulb out on the unit? That’s another 10 minutes. Seems like your planners arnt allowing for things like this.Also has anyone got a picture of these nets?? From what I’ve read on here they sound no different to an actual curtain as they hang on the internal rails anyway??
I can’t find a pic on the net.
They hang from the roof, but that’s only so they’re above the load, then when you pull them down, they’re attatched to the chassis by ratchet straps, so you’re basically netting and strapping the load to the chassis. MUCH better than internal straps or just curtains.
Bking:
Training training and yet more bloody training for gods sake!
Before we all got this "training " bloody mantra forced down our gullet billions of tons of freight was transported billions of miles perfectly safely and without incident.
Now all of a sudden I got to have "training " to wipe my own ■■■!
People out there still have a little bit of common sense and gumption.
Just get off our bloody case maybe you need training but some of us can think for ourselves thanks.
“training” has become an industry within itself,another leech on the poor buggers out there trying to make a living doing an honest days work.We dont need anymore of this crap .What you need to learn you learn from your peers not somebody who screws you for a bit of bloody paper.
And knows f888 all at the end of the day cos they never even done the job.2 weeks working with people who do the job day in day out at a proper haulage yard will teach you more than every bloody CPC module you could sleep through in a thousand bloody years.
I’m shocked I actually agree with the BS King on this, ,Even if he did call me (and everybody else 
) a ■■■■ and a ■■■■ ing ■■■■ and a ■■■■ ing ■■■■ er and a… and a…and a… 
dar1976:
selby newcomer:
No one has the wrong end of any stick. You as the driver are responsible for securing the load. You come in at your normal time and take the time it takes to secure your load. Get on with the job. Simples
just to throw a spanner in the works, drop and swapping already loaded trailer, sealed with TIR cord and custom seals! VOSTAPO and police have powers to charge the loaders/ firms who load the trailers! Not so simples now is it? 
robroy:
Go steady Boy’ol You’ll get a name for yourself
Fatboy slimslow:
dar1976:
selby newcomer:
No one has the wrong end of any stick. You as the driver are responsible for securing the load. You come in at your normal time and take the time it takes to secure your load. Get on with the job. Simplesjust to throw a spanner in the works,
This wa a topic a while back with containers… driver is still responsible
dar1976:
selby newcomer:
I think a few people have got the wrong end of the stick, I haven’t got a problem securing the load myself, I’m just looking for a bit of give and take from the loaders/warehouse, when we have an early start like 2am til 4am say, they could help us out by securing the webbing on the load, so we can come in and check its secure and away we go. The warehouse boys will do their 8 hours and go home, I’m just looking for a bit of help to help us out.any other start times and I’ll gladly crack on and secure the load myself.We drop a trailer on a door and we get moaned at if we don’t chock it and put a jack under it, surely that’s the warehouse mans job to check and do if necessary when he starts to load
No one has the wrong end of any stick.
You as the driver are responsible for securing the load
You come in at your normal time and take the time it takes to secure your load.
Get on with the job.
Simples
Get off ya high horse, where have I said I’m not responsible for the load security■■?
I know how to do my job and don’t need telling by you to get on with it. So if you work somewhere where they load and secure loads on pre loaded trailers, are you going to say don’t secure my load, I want to do it myself??
waynedl:
FarnboroughBoy11:
To be fair that is such a [zb] start time, it’s not quite nights and its not quite days. But still your responsible at the end of the day, also what would happen if you came in and had a headlight bulb out on the unit? That’s another 10 minutes. Seems like your planners arnt allowing for things like this.Also has anyone got a picture of these nets?? From what I’ve read on here they sound no different to an actual curtain as they hang on the internal rails anyway??
I can’t find a pic on the net.
They hang from the roof, but that’s only so they’re above the load, then when you pull them down, they’re attatched to the chassis by ratchet straps, so you’re basically netting and strapping the load to the chassis. MUCH better than internal straps or just curtains.
I’ll try and get a pic tomorrow
nick2008:
Fatboy slimslow:
dar1976:
selby newcomer:
No one has the wrong end of any stick. You as the driver are responsible for securing the load. You come in at your normal time and take the time it takes to secure your load. Get on with the job. Simplesjust to throw a spanner in the works,
This wa a topic a while back with containers… driver is still responsible
Since when? On containers, the driver has secured his load by turning the twist locks. The stuff inside the box can not possibly be the drivers responsibility.
Hence you drive them all like they’re full of liquid to start with until you get a feel of the load.
Interesting read for those on a night out 
Funny really, you read on here how everyone believes they should be on more money yet you’ve got the op moaning that he has to strap his load up and it should be someone else that does it that you’ve got the other idiots saying to start at normal time and just leave 30mins late from the yard. Words fail me reading threads like these, some of you lot are an ebarrassment to yourselfs and the industry!
Bobtailvw:
Interesting read for those on a night out
That’s the sort of stuff that should be compulsory reading for every driver. It would pay everyone to note the part about it being a legal requirement to provide adequate training. Would someone please explain this to the desk-bound nerds who inhabit most of the driving agencies?
truckuk.net/news-item/?news= … ive=1&t=36
14 March 2012
“We would advise all operators to make sure they get hold of this guidance as soon as it becomes widely available and clients of Truck UK can be assured that we will be making you aware as soon as we’ve seen a copy and our training courses will be amended accordingly.”
So has anyone seen this new guidance yet?
14 March 2012
“We would advise all operators to make sure they get hold of this guidance as soon as it becomes widely available and clients of Truck UK can be assured that we will be making you aware as soon as we’ve seen a copy and our training courses will be amended accordingly.”So has anyone seen this new guidance yet?
Haven’t yet studied the new version, but a good place to start would be-
hse.gov.uk/logistics/load-security.htm
This is the Health & Safety Executice website which I find easier to navigate than VOSA’s or DfT’s. It’s got links to DfT Code of Practice:Safety of Loads on Vehicles as well as Best Practice Guidlines on Cargo Securing.
In the event of “something nasty” happening while you’re at work it’s as well to remember that HSE takes precedence over VOSA and DfT and have much wider powers.
I don’t know if the Specific Guidelines issued to VOSA staff would be available to operators or drivers, but if it is, I suspect it will be hard to find.
Retired Old ■■■■:
14 March 2012
“We would advise all operators to make sure they get hold of this guidance as soon as it becomes widely available and clients of Truck UK can be assured that we will be making you aware as soon as we’ve seen a copy and our training courses will be amended accordingly.”So has anyone seen this new guidance yet?
Haven’t yet studied the new version, but a good place to start would be-
hse.gov.uk/logistics/load-securuty.htm
This is the Health & Safety Executice website which I find easier to navigate than VOSA’s or DfT’s. It’s got links to DfT Code of Practice:Safety of Loads on Vehicles as well as Best Practice Guidlines on Cargo Securing.
In the event of “something nasty” happening while you’re at work it’s as well to remember that HSE takes precedence over VOSA and DfT and have much wider powers.
I don’t know if the Specific Guidelines issued to VOSA staff would be available to operators or drivers, but if it is, I suspect it will be hard to find.
comes up with ERROR 404
robroy:
Bking:
Training training and yet more bloody training for gods sake!
Before we all got this "training " bloody mantra forced down our gullet billions of tons of freight was transported billions of miles perfectly safely and without incident.
Now all of a sudden I got to have "training " to wipe my own ■■■!
People out there still have a little bit of common sense and gumption.
Just get off our bloody case maybe you need training but some of us can think for ourselves thanks.
“training” has become an industry within itself,another leech on the poor buggers out there trying to make a living doing an honest days work.We dont need anymore of this crap .What you need to learn you learn from your peers not somebody who screws you for a bit of bloody paper.
And knows f888 all at the end of the day cos they never even done the job.2 weeks working with people who do the job day in day out at a proper haulage yard will teach you more than every bloody CPC module you could sleep through in a thousand bloody years.
nice soundbite, but it’s ■■■■■■■■
nick2008:
Retired Old ■■■■:
14 March 2012
“We would advise all operators to make sure they get hold of this guidance as soon as it becomes widely available and clients of Truck UK can be assured that we will be making you aware as soon as we’ve seen a copy and our training courses will be amended accordingly.”So has anyone seen this new guidance yet?
Haven’t yet studied the new version, but a good place to start would be-
hse.gov.uk/logistics/load-securuty.htm
This is the Health & Safety Executice website which I find easier to navigate than VOSA’s or DfT’s. It’s got links to DfT Code of Practice:Safety of Loads on Vehicles as well as Best Practice Guidlines on Cargo Securing.
In the event of “something nasty” happening while you’re at work it’s as well to remember that HSE takes precedence over VOSA and DfT and have much wider powers.
I don’t know if the Specific Guidelines issued to VOSA staff would be available to operators or drivers, but if it is, I suspect it will be hard to find.comes up with ERROR 404
So it does. I do most humbly apologise- my typing skills aren’t too good. I have edited the original post with the correctly-spelt address but if it’s any easier I’ll try again:
www.hse.gov.uk/logistics/load-security.htm
Hope that’s better.
selby newcomer:
I think a few people have got the wrong end of the stick, I haven’t got a problem securing the load myself, I’m just looking for a bit of give and take from the loaders/warehouse, when we have an early start like 2am til 4am say, they could help us out by securing the webbing on the load, so we can come in and check its secure and away we go. The warehouse boys will do their 8 hours and go home, I’m just looking for a bit of help to help us out.any other start times and I’ll gladly crack on and secure the load myself.
Fine if they’re just loading one trailer each but they’re not are they? At some point they have to have enough time to do their own job.
We drop a trailer on a door and we get moaned at if we don’t chock it and put a jack under it, surely that’s the warehouse mans job to check and do if necessary when he starts to load
No it is yours as the driver.
You really don’t get this whole responsibility lark do you?
Get off ya high horse, where have I said I’m not responsible for the load security■■?
You when you said the loaders should strap the loads down and again demonstrating a lack of responsibility saying its the warehouseman’s job to chock your trailer wheels and put a jack under it.