Retired Old ■■■■:
So it does. I do most humbly apologise- my typing skills aren’t too good. I have edited the original post with the correctly-spelt address but if it’s any easier I’ll try again:hse.gov.uk/logistics/load-security.htm
Hope that’s better.
I’ll let you off this once 
Saaamon:
Funny really, you read on here how everyone believes they should be on more money yet you’ve got the op moaning that he has to strap his load up and it should be someone else that does it that you’ve got the other idiots saying to start at normal time and just leave 30mins late from the yard. Words fail me reading threads like these, some of you lot are an ebarrassment to yourselfs and the industry!
i couldn’t agree more.
the industry is full of steering wheel attendants, no wonder employers are looking east for decent drivers. 
limeyphil:
Saaamon:
Funny really, you read on here how everyone believes they should be on more money yet you’ve got the op moaning that he has to strap his load up and it should be someone else that does it that you’ve got the other idiots saying to start at normal time and just leave 30mins late from the yard. Words fail me reading threads like these, some of you lot are an ebarrassment to yourselfs and the industry!i couldn’t agree more.
the industry is full of steering wheel attendants, no wonder employers are looking east for decent drivers.
limeyphil:
Saaamon:
Funny really, you read on here how everyone believes they should be on more money yet you’ve got the op moaning that he has to strap his load up and it should be someone else that does it that you’ve got the other idiots saying to start at normal time and just leave 30mins late from the yard. Words fail me reading threads like these, some of you lot are an ebarrassment to yourselfs and the industry!i couldn’t agree more.
the industry is full of steering wheel attendants, no wonder employers are looking east for decent drivers.
phill
companies looking east for drivers are looking only for money related reasons ,nothing more.
I did some work for ferrymasters in germany in the early 90,s ,loaded carbon black news print on 40ft flats from bonn and it was only the brits and a smattering of dutch drivers that were able to rope and sheet properly [the east germans were absolutley rubbish and had no idea what to do with a flat to the degree that they would refuse to haul flats ].Dont even get me started on a full tilt strip
As has been said, not only should the driver should take full responsibilty for securing his or her load they should take pride in a well secured load and if that takes longer then thats just tough.
Bring some pride and team work back to the job and the standards will rise.
To simplify things just ask one easy question; why on Earth would you want somebody other than yourself securing your load?
I ain’t here to argue about any of this, I asked for opinions and I got them, but some people seem to think I don’t want to secure my load and it should be others that do it for me. that’s not the case at all, I’m just looking for a little help in making anyone that has the early starts life a little easier. as a day driver I think starting at 2am is pushing it(I very rarely start at that time, we have a volunteer who likes that start time), now that person will have to start at 01:15 maybe, I take responsibility in my job, I don’t want to kill or hurt anyone cutting corners, but I see no harm in a load being secured by a warehouseman and then checked by the driver to make sure it’s satisfactory, just to help out for early starters. B&Q preload trailers and they are d/d trailers and they have no problems I’m aware off
Conor, I choc and jack my trailers when I drop them, where did I say I didn’t, I’ve seen drivers get moaned at for not doing it, so don’t be so free and easy with the responsibility accusations plz
selby newcomer:
I ain’t here to argue about any of this, I asked for opinions and I got them, but some people seem to think I don’t want to secure my load and it should be others that do it for me. that’s not the case at all, I’m just looking for a little help in making anyone that has the early starts life a little easier. as a day driver I think starting at 2am is pushing it(I very rarely start at that time, we have a volunteer who likes that start time), now that person will have to start at 01:15 maybe, I take responsibility in my job, I don’t want to kill or hurt anyone cutting corners, but I see no harm in a load being secured by a warehouseman and then checked by the driver to make sure it’s satisfactory, just to help out for early starters. B&Q preload trailers and they are d/d trailers and they have no problems I’m aware offConor, I choc and jack my trailers when I drop them, where did I say I didn’t, I’ve seen drivers get moaned at for not doing it, so don’t be so free and easy with the responsibility accusations plz
I still don’t get why you’re so hung up on the start time. You do seem to like making life hard for yourself. If your contracted start time is 2am then you come in at 2am. If you need to spend 30 or 45 mins securing your load before you can set off then you still come in at 2am and set off at whatever the time is when you’ve done it.
Whats all this, “start time” ■■■■ about? If your expected in london for 0500 thats the time you will be there for, you give yourself enough time to do what ever you need to do, eg, hook up, strap load, check map plus driving time.
Everyone needs to stop thinking the industry is againest them because its not, most drivers are forever complaining about the smallest things that just dont matter so when there is a genuine problem no one can be bothered to listen.
selby newcomer:
Conor, I choc and jack my trailers when I drop them, where did I say I didn’t, I’ve seen drivers get moaned at for not doing it, so don’t be so free and easy with the responsibility accusations plz
I never said you didn’t but it was you who said it should be the warehouse guys responsibility.
I’m surprised you’ve not yet said its the traffic offices’ responsibility for what happens on the road. After all, its pretty much about the only thing left you’ve not tried to fob off onto someone else.
Saaamon:
Whats all this, “start time” [zb] about? If your expected in london for 0500 thats the time you will be there for, you give yourself enough time to do what ever you need to do, eg, hook up, strap load, check map plus driving time.Everyone needs to stop thinking the industry is againest them because its not, most drivers are forever complaining about the smallest things that just dont matter so when there is a genuine problem no one can be bothered to listen.
Indeed. Everything is your responsibility and you start work at a time you legally can and that gives you enough time to do whatever you need to do before you set off and get to where you need to be when you need to be there with a bit to spare. If you have a problem you try to sort it yourself and if you can’t, you pick the phone up and let the traffic office know. If you’re going to be delayed a bit, you pick the phone up and let the traffic office know.
Hell I’ve had blowouts at companies I’ve been at and because I’ve got a sheet of paper on with the tyre fitters number, I phone the tyre fitters up and don’t even bother the traffic office unless I’m going to be late for a booked delivery.
You wouldn’t believe some of the stupid crap I’ve heard drivers phoning and asking when I’ve been sat in the traffic office.
The job ain’t rocket science but it does require a bit of common sense and putting oneself out a little.
selby newcomer:
With the new load security rules coming in recently, we’ve had a few of our curtain siders fitted out with new webbing which hangs from the internal strap runners. I’ve yet to try them out, but a couple of the lads say its a pain in the arse.But my question is, who’s responsibility should it be to fasten the webbing over the pallets?? I know it’s a drivers job to check the load is secure, but me and the other drivers at our place think its a bit much to ask us to carry out this as it takes around 30 minutes minimum, to undo the curtains and fasten the webbing and then redo the curtains back up. Our point is that we start at 2am sometimes and think its a bit much to expect us to come in earlier to carry out the strapping of the load, we are saying the loaders should take care of it and they are saying its us drivers that should do it
Just want your opinion plz
Write to the company’s finance director
say it takes you an hour to secure the load but only five minutes to check if someone else has done it properly
say your shift length is restricted by law to ten hours
say you cost the company £15 ph (?)
say the warehouseman costs the company £10 ph
say the change in system would save the company £1500 pa per driver
Ok just for sake of argument, what happens if the warehouse does strap the load and on that odd occasion your not happy with it, it will take you 30 mins to re do it but because you have only given 10 mins to yourself at the start of your shift to check it, you will be behind before you’ve started??
As I’ve said, is all very well giving yourself 15 mins for your checks but if something is a miss then there should be time allowed to rectify it.
Saaamon:
Whats all this, “start time” [zb] about? If your expected in london for 0500 thats the time you will be there for, you give yourself enough time to do what ever you need to do, eg, hook up, strap load, check map plus driving time.
That’s him going on about his start time not me. What time you’re booked at your destination is neither here nor there. You’re the driver not the planner. If they give you a load for London for 5am and that will mean coming in 45 mins earlier than usual to get it there for that time then you simply use the tongue that god gave you and tell the planner that it isn’t going to happen and have them give you a 6am tip instead. Too many “yes” men in this industry. He’s already said he’s a day man, yet he’s starting at 2am - and soon even earlier at 1.15am! WTF. What a mug.
DAR1976 wrote
No one has the wrong end of any stick.
You as the driver are responsible for securing the load
You come in at your normal time and take the time it takes to secure your load.
Get on with the job.
Simples
I am not sure if you are in any position to discuss load security…
Rob K:
Saaamon:
Whats all this, “start time” [zb] about? If your expected in london for 0500 thats the time you will be there for, you give yourself enough time to do what ever you need to do, eg, hook up, strap load, check map plus driving time.That’s him going on about his start time not me. What time you’re booked at your destination is neither here nor there. You’re the driver not the planner. If they give you a load for London for 5am and that will mean coming in 45 mins earlier than usual to get it there for that time then you simply use the tongue that god gave you and tell the planner that it isn’t going to happen and have them give you a 6am tip instead. Too many “yes” men in this industry. He’s already said he’s a day man, yet he’s starting at 2am - and soon even earlier at 1.15am! WTF. What a mug.
To many “yes men”? More like to many drivers with a bad attitude.
Rob K:
Saaamon:
Whats all this, “start time” [zb] about? If your expected in london for 0500 thats the time you will be there for, you give yourself enough time to do what ever you need to do, eg, hook up, strap load, check map plus driving time.That’s him going on about his start time not me. What time you’re booked at your destination is neither here nor there. You’re the driver not the planner. If they give you a load for London for 5am and that will mean coming in 45 mins earlier than usual to get it there for that time then you simply use the tongue that god gave you and tell the planner that it isn’t going to happen and have them give you a 6am tip instead. Too many “yes” men in this industry. He’s already said he’s a day man, yet he’s starting at 2am - and soon even earlier at 1.15am! WTF. What a mug.
What’s with the insults??
I’ve already said its very rare I start at 2am, like one every couple of months maybe, if that, there’s a driver who likes that start time so he does that start.
Bking:
mozzer44:
You think it’s a bit much ha ha! Give this man a trombone trailer to rope and sheet!
I am here: maps.google.com/maps?ll=53.312217,-3.465029
Why and how would you rope a trombone? Where do you fasten the ropes on the stretcher
By using your initiative. Look at the picture closely. I think you have a lot to learn my man!
Are you told to start at 02.00, or do you need to, to get to drop for ■■ time? If your told to start then, then do so, not your fault if your late doing what your told, office should plan for the time it takes. If you need to start then to make you drop you’ll have to come in half hour early, or have a word in office.
Ask the fork truck driver to do it I’m sure he’ll say “do you expect me to come in half an hour early to strap than up for you”.
Turn up, agency job and got a load of nosense off a building materials manager about taking too long strapping down an awkward load of old palletised bricks on shagged pallets.
Their regular driver complained I was only using the few serviceable straps, and thought it was a bit much throwing a cargo net over it all.
How I laugh when he lost his load on the first bend out of the yard, thank god he had not made it to the roundabout.
