Darb:
Both me and the missus have had iPhones for a few years and i wouldnt want another phone tbh, and that’s not because it’s fashionable or trendy it’s because it does everything I want it and it does ot brilliantly
Back to my point, her upgrade was a couple of weeks before mine and she had the iphone4, dropped calls were a constant issue, so she got a cover, a little improvement but it still happens a lot, this made my mind up to stick with my 3GS and save some cash too,
And in response to the " if you have a cover then it’s a network problem " comment, we are both on the same network and mine never drops a call but hers does it often, even when we are in the same location, so that settles that argument
A single persons experience don’t come close to settling that argument I’m afraid.
The problem with iPhone 4 that was well documented at launch is easily solved by using a case.
That’s a hardware fact that can’t be argued!!!
If someone still suffers from dropped calls then it’s down to something else. There are many network related problems which are likely to be at fault but it’s easier modern day customers to just blame it on their handset.
If you check iPhone forums you will struggle to find recent posts complaining about the Antenna issue.
Go back a year and the forums were full of them, until Apple gave everyone a free case and it solved the problems.
Well nobody can say that reply wasn’t expected
I’m sorry, could you please explain to me what exactly what causes the antenna/signal issue, how I can avoid it and why a case won’t solve the problem?
I would be good to get some facts on the issue.
The teenager like responses are a little uninformative.
Thanks.
Ooo getting all bitchy again. I don’t know, I’m not an Apple engineer. I don’t think the much hyped ‘death grip’ is the problem. My iPad also is rubbish at hanging onto a network, even abroad when both struggle despite having a choice of many networks. If I could be bothered I’d film the iPhone sat in it’s cradle on the dash searching for a network for up to 5 minutes, then finding one bar, when the truck phone and a £20 Vodafone payg has full signal. But I cant be bothered as you’d still think it’s all in my head. I think Apple products, well recent ones, have an inherent problem with signal. I still think they make great products and wouldnt give up my iPad or MacBook for the world, but the iPhone 4 is a letdown. The 3GS was a great phone, as I hope the 5 will be.
Have you ever thought it’s your argumentative problem and not your wife’s? After all in the short time you’ve seemingly been posting you’d argued with everyone who disagrees with you and seem unable to understand what people are saying.
I’ve already popped you in the Carryfast/Happy Keith category, you may not know what I’m on about but you soon will.
Lol was just having a laugh with you mate.
Mate, I’ll say it again, I’m not arguing I’m just stating facts about certain things. I’ve got all sorts of gadgets and read up on them all.
If I’m arguing then what am I arguing for? I’m not saying the iPhone is the best, just that it does all that an android phone will do.
Some people have made suggestions that are factually false so I’ve corrected them, that’s all.
Its to give the original poster more info to make an informed decision.
I don’t care if someone prefers an Android handset or an iPhone, but in a discussion about different phones why shouldn’t I be able to post facts or correct errors posted by others?
Whether people take those facts on board or not is up to them and doesn’t affect me, but the information may be of interest to others.
I’m assuming your in the category of the annoying teenage brother who goes on and on without actually knowing what he is on about then? Ha
You see that ‘ha’ at the end? Means having a laugh with ya
Yeah apple do make some great products, shame they have to use [zb] iTunes though. Anybody found a decent alternative? Can’t be bothered with trial and error!!
Anyway, as stated before, I think anyone getting a new phone would be happy with either an iPhone or Android handset.
Just out of interest, what firmware version is your iPhone currently on?
I think your in the annoying full of his own self importance never wrong category that pops up on here from time to time. Ha. See that ha, it means I’m having a laugh with you, maybe.
Because you refuse to educate yourself that doesn’t put me in that category mate.
You can put the information out there but you can’t make people educate themselves eh.
Remember your the guy that thought his phone came without a user guide haha so how can we take any of your points seriously?
I doubt I’m the only one on here that’s put you in that category, but then I was just having a laugh wasn’t I?
Did you genuinely need a user manual to operate your iPhone?
Your a know all that spouts off about ‘facts’ endlessly that you read online and doesn’t take into account anybodies real world experience. Yes maybe I’m in a minority but the amount of people I know of who have problems it’s a sizeable one. It’s a ‘fact’, a word your keen on, that I’ve experienced problems with my iPhone 4 and it’s signal, whether in it’s case, held to my ear or in the cradle in the dash. I also find the first generation iPad a bit wonky when it comes to signal.
Just a tip, if you want to ‘put information out there’ maybe try doing it in a considered and adult manner. The reason you get teenage like replies is your endless childish attempts at withering put downs and the fact you dont listen to anybody who disagrees with you because you know all the ‘facts’. Listen more, consider how you put your views across more and people may interact with you in a more adult manner.
Darb:
Both me and the missus have had iPhones for a few years and i wouldnt want another phone tbh, and that’s not because it’s fashionable or trendy it’s because it does everything I want it and it does ot brilliantly
Back to my point, her upgrade was a couple of weeks before mine and she had the iphone4, dropped calls were a constant issue, so she got a cover, a little improvement but it still happens a lot, this made my mind up to stick with my 3GS and save some cash too,
And in response to the " if you have a cover then it’s a network problem " comment, we are both on the same network and mine never drops a call but hers does it often, even when we are in the same location, so that settles that argument
A single persons experience don’t come close to settling that argument I’m afraid.
The problem with iPhone 4 that was well documented at launch is easily solved by using a case.
That’s a hardware fact that can’t be argued!!!
If someone still suffers from dropped calls then it’s down to something else. There are many network related problems which are likely to be at fault but it’s easier modern day customers to just blame it on their handset.
If you check iPhone forums you will struggle to find recent posts complaining about the Antenna issue.
Go back a year and the forums were full of them, until Apple gave everyone a free case and it solved the problems.
Well nobody can say that reply wasn’t expected
I’m sorry, could you please explain to me what exactly what causes the antenna/signal issue, how I can avoid it and why a case won’t solve the problem?
I would be good to get some facts on the issue.
The teenager like responses are a little uninformative.
Thanks.
Ooo getting all bitchy again. I don’t know, I’m not an Apple engineer. I don’t think the much hyped ‘death grip’ is the problem. My iPad also is rubbish at hanging onto a network, even abroad when both struggle despite having a choice of many networks. If I could be bothered I’d film the iPhone sat in it’s cradle on the dash searching for a network for up to 5 minutes, then finding one bar, when the truck phone and a £20 Vodafone payg has full signal. But I cant be bothered as you’d still think it’s all in my head. I think Apple products, well recent ones, have an inherent problem with signal. I still think they make great products and wouldnt give up my iPad or MacBook for the world, but the iPhone 4 is a letdown. The 3GS was a great phone, as I hope the 5 will be.
Have you ever thought it’s your argumentative problem and not your wife’s? After all in the short time you’ve seemingly been posting you’d argued with everyone who disagrees with you and seem unable to understand what people are saying.
I’ve already popped you in the Carryfast/Happy Keith category, you may not know what I’m on about but you soon will.
Lol was just having a laugh with you mate.
Mate, I’ll say it again, I’m not arguing I’m just stating facts about certain things. I’ve got all sorts of gadgets and read up on them all.
If I’m arguing then what am I arguing for? I’m not saying the iPhone is the best, just that it does all that an android phone will do.
Some people have made suggestions that are factually false so I’ve corrected them, that’s all.
Its to give the original poster more info to make an informed decision.
I don’t care if someone prefers an Android handset or an iPhone, but in a discussion about different phones why shouldn’t I be able to post facts or correct errors posted by others?
Whether people take those facts on board or not is up to them and doesn’t affect me, but the information may be of interest to others.
I’m assuming your in the category of the annoying teenage brother who goes on and on without actually knowing what he is on about then? Ha
You see that ‘ha’ at the end? Means having a laugh with ya
Yeah apple do make some great products, shame they have to use [zb] iTunes though. Anybody found a decent alternative? Can’t be bothered with trial and error!!
Anyway, as stated before, I think anyone getting a new phone would be happy with either an iPhone or Android handset.
Just out of interest, what firmware version is your iPhone currently on?
I think your in the annoying full of his own self importance never wrong category that pops up on here from time to time. Ha. See that ha, it means I’m having a laugh with you, maybe.
Because you refuse to educate yourself that doesn’t put me in that category mate.
You can put the information out there but you can’t make people educate themselves eh.
Remember your the guy that thought his phone came without a user guide haha so how can we take any of your points seriously?
I doubt I’m the only one on here that’s put you in that category, but then I was just having a laugh wasn’t I?
Did you genuinely need a user manual to operate your iPhone?
Your a know all that spouts off about ‘facts’ endlessly that you read online and doesn’t take into account anybodies real world experience. Yes maybe I’m in a minority but the amount of people I know of who have problems it’s a sizeable one. It’s a ‘fact’, a word your keen on, that I’ve experienced problems with my iPhone 4 and it’s signal, whether in it’s case, held to my ear or in the cradle in the dash. I also find the first generation iPad a bit wonky when it comes to signal.
Just a tip, if you want to ‘put information out there’ maybe try doing it in a considered and adult manner. The reason you get teenage like replies is your endless childish attempts at withering put downs and the fact you dont listen to anybody who disagrees with you because you know all the ‘facts’. Listen more, consider how you put your views across more and people may interact with you in a more adult manner.
Ha.
A fact is a fact whether it’s read or experienced!!
No I didn’t need a user manual to operate my iPhone although I am able to realise everything comes with instructions these days.
Thanks for your suggestions, I will take them on board
Well please since you are in the mood can you please educate me as to how my iPhone 4 drops calls, this is when it is sitting on the dash or in a cradle and not in my death grip! Incindently it’s on O2 and my 5yr old nokia also on O2 doesn’t have this problem. I await your answer kind sir.
bigtruck:
Well please since you are in the mood can you please educate me as to how my iPhone 4 drops calls, this is when it is sitting on the dash or in a cradle and not in my death grip! Incindently it’s on O2 and my 5yr old nokia also on O2 doesn’t have this problem. I await your answer kind sir.
Of course, firstly are they both connected to the same cell tower?
bigtruck:
Well please since you are in the mood can you please educate me as to how my iPhone 4 drops calls, this is when it is sitting on the dash or in a cradle and not in my death grip! Incindently it’s on O2 and my 5yr old nokia also on O2 doesn’t have this problem. I await your answer kind sir.
Compared to older phones the main reason would be that the antenna operates at lower power now. Modern phones have more functionality so you need to sacrifice something for the battery to last longer.
Old phones aren’t as resource heavy so prob have the power ramped right up hence better signal.
Also the weather and network congestion would have an affect on the already lower powered antenna.
All modern phones would have a reduction in power allocated to antenna, although some more than others.
The same goes for wifi, give more power to the wifi antenna and get a signal from further away but at a cost to battery life.
Think android handsets have an option to set the wifi power. If you only use wifi at home or close to an access point then turn the power down to increase battery life
bigtruck:
Well please since you are in the mood can you please educate me as to how my iPhone 4 drops calls, this is when it is sitting on the dash or in a cradle and not in my death grip! Incindently it’s on O2 and my 5yr old nokia also on O2 doesn’t have this problem. I await your answer kind sir.
Compared to older phones the main reason would be that the antenna operates at lower power now. Modern phones have more functionality so you need to sacrifice something for the battery to last longer.
Old phones aren’t as resource heavy so prob have the power ramped right up hence better signal.
Also the weather and network congestion would have an affect on the already lower powered antenna.
All modern phones would have a reduction in power allocated to antenna, although some more than others.
The same goes for wifi, give more power to the wifi antenna and get a signal from further away but at a cost to battery life.
Think android handsets have an option to set the wifi power. If you only use wifi at home or close to an access point then turn the power down to increase battery life
Now why didn’t you post that to start with and save us all a lot of posts. That’s an informative and useful post that answers questions and I found it very useful. Thanks. (No ‘ha’ this time!)
bigtruck:
Well please since you are in the mood can you please educate me as to how my iPhone 4 drops calls, this is when it is sitting on the dash or in a cradle and not in my death grip! Incindently it’s on O2 and my 5yr old nokia also on O2 doesn’t have this problem. I await your answer kind sir.
Compared to older phones the main reason would be that the antenna operates at lower power now. Modern phones have more functionality so you need to sacrifice something for the battery to last longer.
Old phones aren’t as resource heavy so prob have the power ramped right up hence better signal.
Also the weather and network congestion would have an affect on the already lower powered antenna.
All modern phones would have a reduction in power allocated to antenna, although some more than others.
The same goes for wifi, give more power to the wifi antenna and get a signal from further away but at a cost to battery life.
Think android handsets have an option to set the wifi power. If you only use wifi at home or close to an access point then turn the power down to increase battery life
Now why didn’t you post that to start with and save us all a lot of posts. That’s an informative and useful post that answers questions and I found it very useful. Thanks. (No ‘ha’ this time!)
Sorry!! Before I was just trying say don’t rule the iPhone out because someone has said some good stuff about Android as the iPhone would do the same.
Didn’t mean for it to come over as argumentative.
Glad the last post was informative though
bigtruck:
Well please since you are in the mood can you please educate me as to how my iPhone 4 drops calls, this is when it is sitting on the dash or in a cradle and not in my death grip! Incindently it’s on O2 and my 5yr old nokia also on O2 doesn’t have this problem. I await your answer kind sir.
Of course, firstly are they both connected to the same cell tower?
I shall be honest I don’t know who what or where they’re connected too,and to be quite Frank I don’t care either. But the long and short of it is the apple doesn’t hold the signal but the nokia does ,therefore the apple is not doing the job for which I the consumer bought it to do. Whoever is responsible it’s most certainly not me.
bigtruck:
Well please since you are in the mood can you please educate me as to how my iPhone 4 drops calls, this is when it is sitting on the dash or in a cradle and not in my death grip! Incindently it’s on O2 and my 5yr old nokia also on O2 doesn’t have this problem. I await your answer kind sir.
Of course, firstly are they both connected to the same cell tower?
I shall be honest I don’t know who what or where they’re connected too,and to be quite Frank I don’t care either. But the long and short of it is the apple doesn’t hold the signal but the nokia does ,therefore the apple is not doing the job for which I the consumer bought it to do. Whoever is responsible it’s most certainly not me.
On that point I agree! Different phones are suited to different people or for different situations.
Point of interest, Apple are in the process of sueing Samsung as they have a phone that looks very similar to the iphone and the android os has been configured to look the same also.
Can you please explain why we never had a dropped call in the years we had 3g then 3gs but as soon as my partner got the Iphone4 she has lots of dropped calls even with the case on ■■ same location, same network etc …
The problem with android is the security issue its had 2 major problems this year alone one developer recenlty tweeted that there had been a 40 % increase on malware on android market place and its why I won’t have one personally I’m currently using an hd7 from HTC I’ve used windows mobile for years them swited to iPhone what’s coming up in windows phone feature for feature will blow the iPhone out if the water come autum
alix776:
The problem with android is the security issue its had 2 major problems this year alone one developer recenlty tweeted that there had been a 40 % increase on malware on android market place and its why I won’t have one personally I’m currently using an hd7 from HTC I’ve used windows mobile for years them swited to iPhone what’s coming up in windows phone feature for feature will blow the iPhone out if the water come autum
Now I’m going to be the one sticking up for the iPhone. The day Windows mobile blows the iPhone out the water I’ll eat my new top hat. Yes, I’ve now got a top hat.
Its very easy as Nokia are ditching Symbian and going all out windows phone many users miss alot of the features of windows mobile as it was so flexable I had video calls and voice of IP 5 years ago on wm6
IOS 5 has used many features from both windows phone and android cloud uploads had for the Last 8 months the camera is taken straight from wp7 couple that with what is built in to OS ie Skype social content etc feature for feature it knocks IOS out of the water and that from an os that’s not yet 12 months old it took Apple 3 years to get to where they are today
alix776:
Its very easy as Nokia are ditching Symbian and going all out windows phone many users miss alot of the features of windows mobile as it was so flexable I had video calls and voice of IP 5 years ago on wm6
IOS 5 has used many features from both windows phone and android cloud uploads had for the Last 8 months the camera is taken straight from wp7 couple that with what is built in to OS ie Skype social content etc feature for feature it knocks IOS out of the water and that from an os that’s not yet 12 months old it took Apple 3 years to get to where they are today
Yes I know I’m a phone geek
The difference between Apple and Windows or Nokia is when Apple bring something out it usually works. Nokia and windows rush phones to market overloaded with features that slows the phone to a snails pace. I’ve had both Nokia and Windows smart phones and Jesus they were worse than rubbish.
In 3 years Apple has come from nowhere and murdered both Nokia and Windows Mobile and left them for dead. Which let’s face it in the smartphone Market Nokia pretty much is.
switchlogic:
The difference between Apple and Windows or Nokia is when Apple bring something out it usually works.
Correct me if I’m wrong but when the IPhone 4 was released wasn’t there a problem with it showing a better signal strength than was really available, then to solve the problem of a poor antenna instead of recalling the phones for repair/replacement they gave users a case and told people to use that
It seems to me that the primary function of a phone is digital communication and particularly voice communication, and by your own admission Apple seem to have got that very wrong with the IPhone
switchlogic:
The difference between Apple and Windows or Nokia is when Apple bring something out it usually works.
Correct me if I’m wrong but when the IPhone 4 was released wasn’t there a problem with it showing a better signal strength than was really available, then to solve the problem of a poor antenna instead of recalling the phones for repair/replacement they gave users a case and told people to use that
It seems to me that the primary function of a phone is digital communication and particularly voice communication, and by your own admission Apple seem to have got that very wrong with the IPhone
They couldn’t recall them to repair as it was a design fault!!
