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[kenny1975]

I agree with what Greg’s saying, i aint Irish but occasionally i do some driving for a small irish company and tend to get more hassle.

Get pulled in UK truck just questions, look at your tachos, maybe check some stuff over, easy.

irish truck, searching for a wire, or dodgy stuff, asking you over and over again about your hours, “are you sure thats all you have worked”, “does your boss ask you to do this”, anything that could warrent a prohibtion and your off the road.

even to some extent other drivers think your running bent lol, i was in a place getting tipped, after i get tipped we go park up take our daily rest on the site. where we park there are other trucks waiting in a Q to get tipped, most other drivers are just in and out. another driver saw my removing my card and said i was a disgrace to the industry. assumed because it was a irish truck, that i had run outta hours and was going to keep driving with another card.

i am sure he prob did the civic thing and ran off called the VOSA hotline.

euromat:
surely run legal to avoid being parked up then?

I always do, when i get stoped my tachos and hours are always correct, and my truck is in good condition. but if i am driving an irish unit always feel uneasy getting pulled over, i know even doing everything legit, its still gonna be 50mins of hassle.

[mike-c]

greg50:
i am not condoning over weight whatsoever.
this is something that happens and the driver or haulier generally dont have control over it.
the exporter say they will load x amount of tonne in a trailer and when its loaded.they expect it to be correct
the shippers are like most shipping companies.
lying bs.
guy in the office looking for promotion will say anything to get the job done.not good,it happens english hauliers as well.
there no overloading anymore on purpose by the hauliers.
they give a rate for the job and its supposed to be legal

An experienced driver might detect when something is amiss or doesn’t feel right, ANY driver can always go to a public weighbridge to rectify that doubt. Also note that the people who load the goods onto the lorry/container or whatever, are now legally responsible for it. So in short if its overloaded they get done as well as the driver, thats a recent law change.

greg50:
england weight laws are too stringent,
i know an owner driver in liverpool who was fined for being 500kgs over on his pin,and he had a bulk tipping trl.
vosa are too strict in this regard.

too stringent? 44 tonnes over six axles? Your either over or under, i thought law interpretation was universal, or are you saying that in some other countries 10 tonne on an axle (for example) actually means you can get away with a bit more?

greg50:
with regard to switch island checkpoint.
there is a steady flow of containers going past this checkpoint all day and night.
some of these are loaded in other countries by people who know nothing about uk laws.
i bet there would be more of these overloaded than irish trucks.
in switch island checkpoint,they do nothing more than take the ■■■■.
you very rarely see an english truck in there.
i have driven english trucks past it and got left alone.
i have also driven irish trucks and got pulled in.
difference between you and me.
i am irish.
i live in liverpool.

Ah !! Now we see a splitting of ranks !! Because you are Irish and they pull up Irish trucks you wanna put all the blame on the container drivers !
Well while your in a betting mood, i reckon that seeing as most container drivers days are spent sitting still, there’ll be not much chance of hours infringements, also as most of them run on six axles i’ll doubt there’s hardly a weight problem. Maintainance of the vehicles might be worth checking though.
Now Irish trucks…the nice Kerryman fires a Eastern European off in a truck who can barely (if at all) speak English, tells him where he has to be and at what time, i’ve heard first hand Irish operators say…“i ain’t interested in what you can and can’t do, when i tell you to be there i expect you to be there”, i reckon they play on the language barrier but thats only my theory i can’t prove it But i do know for a fact that Irish Hauliers have used EU drivers to smuggle ciggarrettes etc… and they have been in on the deal, unbeknowns to the poor driver. I know this for a fact because my own mates have done it to them. I reckon Ireland must have more trucks per head of population than anywhere in the world and they all seem to run Euro, England is just a crossing to them and the Irish pay nothing towards the congestion and emmissions they cause whilst crossing through our country. The sooner they put a Dublin to Calais boat on the better ! You know as well as me, the don’t waste their time pulling them up if they think they’ll get no results. And for your information i know plenty of container drivers who have been pulled into the checkpoint your talking about and been PG9’d fr a headlight bulb etc… its not exclusive to the Irish.

greg50:
i drive for whoever it suits me at the time,be they english or irish,
and how much they pay.
i pass this checkpoint in one truck and get a guaranteed pull,drive past in another truck and get left alone.
i drove an english truck last night from the dock with a container,and i am sure it was over weight.
i got it to its destination.

Speechless. And you wonder why they pull the Irish up? You’re sure its overweight and you carry on and you think they don’t give enough leeway? Whats ya yardstick ?!!

greg50:
the m57 is still in one piece by the way.
i cant be sure,so dont go blaming the irish on all the over weights that come on english roads.
vosa target irish trucks here because they are an easy target.
most of the drivers are poles who dont[or wont] speak english.
the vosa man with the most prosecutions and parkups get the promotions.
see its not just jumped up little zbzbzbs in shipping companies we have to deal with.
vosa is full of them as well.

I suspect when we get the on spot fines that the guys from VOSA are really going to nit pick, and you can either agree to an on spot fine or go to court. I’m not looking forward to it really. But right now we are not at that stage.

[greg50]

Mike-C:

greg50:
i am not condoning over weight whatsoever.
this is something that happens and the driver or haulier generally dont have control over it.
the exporter say they will load x amount of tonne in a trailer and when its loaded.they expect it to be correct
the shippers are like most shipping companies.
lying bs.
guy in the office looking for promotion will say anything to get the job done.not good,it happens english hauliers as well.
there no overloading anymore on purpose by the hauliers.

they give a rate for the job and its supposed to be legal

An experienced driver might detect when something is amiss or doesn’t feel right, ANY driver can always go to a public weighbridge to rectify that doubt. Also note that the people who load the goods onto the lorry/container or whatever, are now legally responsible for it. So in short if its overloaded they get done as well as the driver, thats a recent law change.

WHERE DO WE FIND A PUBLIC WEIGHBRIDGE WHEN WE NEED IT?

greg50:
england weight laws are too stringent,
i know an owner driver in liverpool who was fined for being 500kgs over on his pin,and he had a bulk tipping trl.
vosa are too strict in this regard.

too stringent? 44 tonnes over six axles? Your either over or under, i thought law interpretation was universal, or are you saying that in some other countries 10 tonne on an axle (for example) actually means you can get away with a bit more?

greg50:
EVERY COUNTRY IN EUROPE WILL GIVE MORE LEEWAY THAN VOSA.
THEY WILL HAVE YOU FOR 100 KGS.
OVER THE TOP DEFINITELY.

with regard to switch island checkpoint.
there is a steady flow of containers going past this checkpoint all day and night.
some of these are loaded in other countries by people who know nothing about uk laws.
i bet there would be more of these overloaded than irish trucks.
in switch island checkpoint,they do nothing more than take the ■■■■.
you very rarely see an english truck in there.
i have driven english trucks past it and got left alone.
i have also driven irish trucks and got pulled in.
difference between you and me.
i am irish.
i live in liverpool.

Ah !! Now we see a splitting of ranks !! Because you are Irish and they pull up Irish trucks you wanna put all the blame on the container drivers !
Well while your in a betting mood, i reckon that seeing as most container drivers days are spent sitting still, there’ll be not much chance of hours infringements, also as most of them run on six axles i’ll doubt there’s hardly a weight problem. Maintainance of the vehicles might be worth checking though.
Now Irish trucks…the nice Kerryman fires a Eastern European off in a truck who can barely (if at all) speak English, tells him where he has to be and at what time, i’ve heard first hand Irish operators say…“i ain’t interested in what you can and can’t do, when i tell you to be there i expect you to be there”, i reckon they play on the language barrier but thats only my theory i can’t prove it But i do know for a fact that Irish Hauliers have used EU drivers to smuggle ciggarrettes etc… and they have been in on the deal, unbeknowns to the poor driver. I know this for a fact because my own mates have done it to them. I reckon Ireland must have more trucks per head of population than anywhere in the world and they all seem to run Euro, England is just a crossing to them and the Irish pay nothing towards the congestion and emmissions they cause whilst crossing through our country. The sooner they put a Dublin to Calais boat on the better ! You know as well as me, the don’t waste their time pulling them up if they think they’ll get no results. And for your information i know plenty of container drivers who have been pulled into the checkpoint your talking about and been PG9’d fr a headlight bulb etc… its not exclusive to the Irish.

greg50:
i drive for whoever it suits me at the time,be they english or irish,
and how much they pay.
i pass this checkpoint in one truck and get a guaranteed pull,drive past in another truck and get left alone.
i drove an english truck last night from the dock with a container,and i am sure it was over weight.
i got it to its destination.

I AGREE ABOUT THE DUBLIN TO CALAIS BOAT.
IT WOULD MAKE THE JOB WORTH DOING AGAIN TO KEEP AWAY FROM THE VOSA GESTAPO.
UK TRUCKS COME TO IRELAND AND DONT PAY FOR IT EITHER,THEY GET CHEAPER DIESEL WHEN OVER THERE,SO THAT ONE DOESNT WASH WITH ME.
THE ENGLISH AND EVERY OTHER TRUCK PUTS OUT EXHAUST EMMISIONS AS WELL.#AND DONT FORGET SELLAFIELD.
THATS WORSE THAN ANY DIESEL FUMES.
THE IRISH HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THAT AS A NEIGHBOURING COUNTRY.

Speechless. And you wonder why they pull the Irish up? You’re sure its overweight and you carry on and you think they don’t give enough leeway? Whats ya yardstick ?!!

greg50:
the m57 is still in one piece by the way.
i cant be sure,so dont go blaming the irish on all the over weights that come on english roads.
vosa target irish trucks here because they are an easy target.
most of the drivers are poles who dont[or wont] speak english.
the vosa man with the most prosecutions and parkups get the promotions.
see its not just jumped up little zbzbzbs in shipping companies we have to deal with.
vosa is full of them as well.

I KNOW WHY THEY PULL THE IRISH UP ALL THE TIME.
THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL FORUM AND I WONT START TO MAKE IT ONE.
READ YOUR HISTORY BOOKS.
#THATS WHY THE IRISH GET THE HASSLE.

I suspect when we get the on spot fines that the guys from VOSA are really going to nit pick, and you can either agree to an on spot fine or go to court. I’m not looking forward to it really. But right now we are not at that stage.

[greg50]

i had to reply in capitals there as i am not sure how to do the quotes.
i ommited to add in about your accusation of cig smuggling.
you are guessing now.you dont have a clue do you.
you blame the irish employing eastern europeans to smuggle cigs.
you are hanging around too many transport cafes listening to stories or perhaps making them up yourself.
i suppose you seen the days when the irish fridges had the 20 tonnes of steel loaded on the floor as well.

i have heard all these tales before.
grow up and come into the real world mike.
your not a kid anymore.

or are you?

[mike-c]

greg50:
I KNOW WHY THEY PULL THE IRISH UP ALL THE TIME.
THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL FORUM AND I WONT START TO MAKE IT ONE.
READ YOUR HISTORY BOOKS.
#THATS WHY THE IRISH GET THE HASSLE.

If i’m totally honest, given your previous postings i thought you would say that Greg. Sort of makes me wonder why you live and work here if you feel so victimised, but you do and its no buisness of mine. I’ll check them books out, but from recollection they don’t mention exploiting East Europeans as a buisness model, explotation seems to have been the preserve of the English, but i’ll look !! Good nite !!

[mike-c]

greg50:
i had to reply in capitals there as i am not sure how to do the quotes.
i ommited to add in about your accusation of cig smuggling.
you are guessing now.you dont have a clue do you.
you blame the irish employing eastern europeans to smuggle cigs.
you are hanging around too many transport cafes listening to stories or perhaps making them up yourself.
i suppose you seen the days when the irish fridges had the 20 tonnes of steel loaded on the floor as well.

i have heard all these tales before.
grow up and come into the real world mike.
your not a kid anymore.

or are you?

I’m in the real world Greg. I’m not accusing anyone, i’m telling you a fact. I don’t listen to drivers stories, i listen to and see what the people who do it actually do. No i don’t do the 20 tonne steel stereo type but i do know what actually happens. You aint the only one who lives in Liverpool who has family and friends in Ireland God forbid they’re all clean living Catholics !!

[greg50]

Mike-C:

greg50:
I KNOW WHY THEY PULL THE IRISH UP ALL THE TIME.
THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL FORUM AND I WONT START TO MAKE IT ONE.
READ YOUR HISTORY BOOKS.
#THATS WHY THE IRISH GET THE HASSLE.

If i’m totally honest, given your previous postings i thought you would say that !!

i never try to make anything political on this site and will avoid at all costs.
this is a good forum,i love it.
i am making a point from my obsevations driving around england for 30 years or so and transiting the ports.
we have had a lot of hassle from the british authourities.
you may not realise or appreciate that.
you would need to be irish or an englishman who has driven for an irish company over the years to know what i mean.
i am not having a go at the english.
if i was,i would say it direct.
i never hide my feelings.
switch is open tonite and was last night as well.
they will need a 10 acre site soon.
i drove past in my car with my fingers up to vosa.

[mike-c]

Well i drove Irish plated trucks for Haulage Services (the tanker division of Woodsides) for quite a while, you’ll know them. I was never pulled once.

[greg50]

neither haulage services or woodside consider themselves irish.they are very different from us.
i am sometimes amazed that they come from the same island as me.
you cant judge the irish by them.

[acd1202]

Greg 50, keeps talking about the “Irish hauliers work”, this is a common misunderstanding on this side of the Irish Sea as well. Its not the hauliers work, its the customers work, the person who is paying the bill.

If the customer decides that he will get something from Stobart, Dentressangle, Betz or whoever, be it better service, cheaper prices, or more efficient admin; then all their previous haulier can do is go and cry in his beer, or Guiness.

As for overweight containers, since most boxes come from India or China, I don’t know how many Water Buffalo it would take to pull a 30 tonne box, but I don’t think overloading them is a big issue.

[routier]

Interesting read this…

I know this for a fact because my own mates have done it to them. I reckon Ireland must have more trucks per head of population than anywhere in the world and they all seem to run Euro, England is just a crossing to them and the Irish pay nothing towards the congestion and emmissions they cause whilst crossing through our country

Ireland still has plenty to export especially Its Beef / Fish and dairy products, Whats does the UK export ? Sod all…

With regard to the Irish paying nowt towards the the congestion etc same can be said for ALL the millions of European trucks that come here doing exactly the same thing, Theres no Road charge in Ireland remember, there is In Europe,

Its as if your saying the Irish have a cheek using Engalnd as a Gateway to Europe… But Didnt the Irish contribute greatly to the most of the Construction and Transport Network of England in the 19th / 20th Century ?

Much of the present day network had its foundations laid by Irish men used as Cheap Labour here so YES they have contributed to this Country in One form

Maybe you want to look at this :
bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A890606 and read the foot note ²

Heres the extract referencing the new tunnel in Liverpool and the East Lancs Road:

The first road tunnel was finally opened on 18 July, 1934, by King George V, accompanied by his wife, Queen Mary, in whose honour the tunnel was named ‘Queensway’. The opening ceremony was held at the Birkenhead end with the Merseyside Police Band providing the music1, after which the Royal couple were driven to the other end and on to their next engagement, the opening of another feat of Liverpool engineering: the East Lancashire (‘East Lancs’) Road ².

² Although the East Lancashire Road runs from Liverpool towards Manchester, it was mainly built by Irish navvies brought in as a cheap labour resource, much to the disgust of local workmen.

but from recollection they don’t mention exploiting East Europeans as a buisness model,

Sorry, didnt the Irish get that from the English ? Arent the The English the biggest exploiters EVER of cheap labour ? Didnt they Use and Abuse the Irish in the 19th/2oth Century for cheap labour? The mass influx of Asians in the 60s to work in the mills ? Present day mass immigration of Eastern Europeans ?

Well i drove Irish plated trucks for Haulage Services (the tanker division of Woodsides

Dont their plates start off with 3 Letters followed by 4 numbers ? Wouldnt call them Irish because the ROI registration system is totally different. Wouldnt call Woodsides/Haulage services and the like Irish , neither would a true Irishman.

I could go on…The English still have an attitude towards the Irish and see us a 2nd class citizens ( probably explains why Scousers are hated by much of the English Country), and some of it comes out on this site

But Lets us not forget why Irish people are here, ¾ of people from Liverpool, for example, are either Irish or are Irish descent.
If you know ye history ye’ll know what am on about and its all down to the English… so lets have a bit more respect please

[mike-c]

Routier i know Haulage services are from the North, but i’m 90% certain that i have drove one of theirs with a Dublin reg.
The point i was trying to make is that Greg reckons VOSA target the Irish just because they are Irish, and you can read into it how you like as to what he infers. I reckon they target them because they do have a bad record, not all i know but obviously there’s plenty of suspected hauliers that may not be upto scratch hence they target them.
I’m well aware of where everybody comes from and who built the roads etc… but it still doesn’t alter the fact that us here are paying a higher tax levy for fuel, higher tax based on emmisions etc… in the drive to get us to be greener. It seems a great opportunity to me to charge them for adding to our congestion and emmisions.
Oh, and when i’ve slated an English company on here, i’ve never been accused of being Anti-English

[glenman]

not really about mcburney any more is it? sense it is getting a bit more political.personally i hear enough of politics/religion through the tv,radio,papers as to not really wanting to read it when im on a truck forum.

[df1]

Threads tend to head in all sorts of directions from the point.

This ones getting a little personal now, i think.

[audidriver]

Just a bit of history for greg50.

You say mcburney transport had a breed of driver.
There was a driver who worked for McBurney Transport when it was called McBurney brothers, the driver who worked for them would have been one of the first to get one of the new vehicles that came. So starts another driver with mcb who saw this and went in to see Mcburney himself complaining that is seemed to be that the above mentioned man was always getting a new lorry, the second man was a catholic and he thought he was being discrimanated against because of his religion. Imagine his suprise and stupidness when he found out that the driver who was getting all the new plant was Catholic. another point when we are on the subject of rubbish remarks regarding religion. McBurney Transport longest serving driver is a catholic. even though he doesnt drive anymore he still works for Norman
Norman McBurney doesnt worry about what creed colour or if your right eye looks for you while your left eye looks where you have been

[merrymaid]

ellies dad:

141super:
its untrue lot of hauilers are running scared at the thought of stobart coming to ireland,Iam sure some will sell up,

Stobart is here. They own TDG in Dublin. I think the future will be interesting for them here as the absence of law enforcement will be a stumbling block for the law abiding Stobarts

u must be kidding law abbiding stobbarts vosa has been in having a look in crick

[merrymaid]

audidriver:
Just a bit of history for greg50.

You say mcburney transport had a breed of driver.
There was a driver who worked for McBurney Transport when it was called McBurney brothers, the driver who worked for them would have been one of the first to get one of the new vehicles that came. So starts another driver with mcb who saw this and went in to see Mcburney himself complaining that is seemed to be that the above mentioned man was always getting a new lorry, the second man was a catholic and he thought he was being discrimanated against because of his religion. Imagine his suprise and stupidness when he found out that the driver who was getting all the new plant was Catholic. another point when we are on the subject of rubbish remarks regarding religion. McBurney Transport longest serving driver is a catholic. even though he doesnt drive anymore he still works for Norman
Norman McBurney doesnt worry about what creed colour or if your right eye looks for you while your left eye looks where you have been

good man u will know my x employer n transport manager a x mcb man our g

[ellies_dad]

Hey mike, you drove for woodsides and you think they’re an irish haulier you must be joking. Irish trucks don’t have popeye’s in the window. The bulk of the Irish on this site have now posted on this topic and i’d say this is the closet to an anti british remark(of sorts) so far.

Anyway i knew a few of haulage services drivers when they did glass in containers. A welshman ex army instructer,an ex soldier from Belfast oh and a catholic from Fermanagh. All humans. Funny you claim to be of irish ancestry but you don’t half seem to complain about us.

[greg50]

Mike-C:
Routier i know Haulage services are from the North, but i’m 90% certain that i have drove one of theirs with a Dublin reg.

you may have done that all right,but it would be back in the late 70s early 80s.
they took out a flag of convenience in dublin and opened a warehouse in mayor street in the docks.
they employed a local labour including a friend of mine who was a real union man.
he closed them down,they brought with them, their rules and regulations,you wouldnt have had so many in the army.
the drivers had enough of this and went on strike,
they set up a caravan outside the premises and did a 24 hour picket.
in the end haulage services got out,but not before they sold half the yard and doubled their money and that was in the 80s.
i dont know who has the yard and warehouse now but its still there as afr as i can see when i pass.
that was the last southern registered trucks haulage services had as far as i know.

[ellies_dad]

greg50:

Mike-C:
Routier i know Haulage services are from the North, but i’m 90% certain that i have drove one of theirs with a Dublin reg.

you may have done that all right,but it would be back in the late 70s early 80s.
they took out a flag of convenience in dublin and opened a warehouse in mayor street in the docks.
they employed a local labour including a friend of mine who was a real union man.
he closed them down,they brought with them, their rules and regulations,you wouldnt have had so many in the army.
the drivers had enough of this and went on strike,
they set up a caravan outside the premises and did a 24 hour picket.
in the end haulage services got out,but not before they sold half the yard and doubled their money and that was in the 80s.
i dont know who has the yard and warehouse now but its still there as afr as i can see when i pass.
that was the last southern registered trucks haulage services had as far as i know.

They had a few 98 and 99’s on Dub plates Greg. When “flagging out” was the fashion