I hide certain activities if I can and I think it’s safe to get away with it. As a tramper it increases my earning potential.
I’m such a rebel 
Shoot me 
robinhood and robroy come across to me, like the the exact opposite and just as bad of what they’re ■■■■■■■■ about, rightly or wrongly, it comes across to me like you don’t give a ■■■■. i think most people sit somewhere in the middle, with a common sense approach, some are ■■■■ about it and some don’t give a ■■■■. you know what to do, it’s not hard, but at least it’ll give you some ammo to ■■■■■ about vosa if you get busted for something easily avoided
tachograph:
LIBERTY_GUY:
This is a question rather than a critique, but I always thought the point of tachographs (and log books before that) was to ensure you didn’t exceed your DRIVING hours, took your proper breaks throughout your driving period and have your daily rest between DRIVING shifts. Someone please feel free to enlighten me what this manual entry crud is all about and please don’t say WTD, as I’ve yet to read of people actually getting busted for WTD stuff. Your tacho was always there to record time IN the vehicle surely?The tachograph like log sheets before them is to record a drivers activities throughout the day, that’s all work related activities not just activities in the vehicle, in that respect nothing has changed.
Even with log books we were expected to record work done away from the vehicle, the only real difference is that with log sheets you could pretty much make up your own story
edit: Without wishing to get too pedantic about this and purely to confirm what I’m saying about the records not being just for work done in the vehicle, there is actually a penalty in the sanctions book for not doing manual entries to cover work done that’s not automatically recorded on the tachograph.
What a load of crap, do you go to your boss and tell him, by the way boss I was working out my back garden. What a load of over hype load of ■■■■,
stevieboy308:
robinhood and robroy come across to me, like the the exact opposite and just as bad of what they’re ■■■■■■■■ about, rightly or wrongly, it comes across to me like you don’t give a [zb]. i think most people sit somewhere in the middle, with a common sense approach, some are ■■■■ about it and some don’t give a [zb]. you know what to do, it’s not hard, but at least it’ll give you some ammo to ■■■■■ about vosa if you get busted for something easily avoided
I can’t speak for RH, but yeh, ok, that’s maybe a fair analysis. I do approach stuff from a ‘laid back’ perspective, and maybe it does border on not giving a ■■■■, but’s that’s just my character. I don’t get stressed out over trivial matters.
I have been bankrupt in the past, lost my home, but dusted myself down and dealt with it. So anything that is to do with ridiculous bureaucracy does not phase me, and in my view is insignificant in contrast.
I do not react well to being taken for granted to tow the line, and I freely admit to having a low to zero tolerance towards ■■■■ heads, and the sort of stuff (as in this case) that they try and instill into people that are only out to make a living, who are fighting an ever increasing battle to do so because of these characters.
I’ve had run ins with the then ‘Ministry’ when I was an o/driver, but since being employed for the last 20 or so years, the casual way I have gone about things in the job, and approached them, has so far always worked for me.
So if as you say ’ I get busted for something trivial’ I certainly won’t lose any sleep over it, as I have had a good run up to now.
Also an added bonus of not giving a ■■■■ about trivial bull crap, is it is a brilliant way of avoiding a heart attack.
stevieboy308:
robinhood and robroy come across to me, like the the exact opposite and just as bad of what they’re ■■■■■■■■ about, rightly or wrongly, it comes across to me like you don’t give a [zb]. i think most people sit somewhere in the middle, with a common sense approach, some are ■■■■ about it and some don’t give a [zb]. you know what to do, it’s not hard, but at least it’ll give you some ammo to ■■■■■ about vosa if you get busted for something easily avoided
My problem is that I care too much Steve. I’m not even in the UK anymore so this stuff doesn’t even affect me any more yet I’m still here moaning about it. I care about doing a good job, doing it properly etc and I enjoy doing so and its because of that that I find myself resenting all the hangers on who’ve poked their fingers in to the pie, in this case our industry and invented totally irrelivent nonsense to further their own employment prospects, ie training providers and leglislators/compliance and enforcement etc.
We all know its not hard turning up to work on a Monday morning, taking a load from Scarborough to Birmingham, reloading in Coventry and back to York, thats the easy bit. Then add in all the secondary nonsense and hoops you have to jump through these days before you can start work, your drive down there, the little hitlers who will pounce on you for not wearing a high vis, for wearing the wrong colour high vis, for climbing on your own trailer to secure a load, for not wearing a hard hat, for not wearing goggles, even if like me you wear glasses and to do so would cause them to mist over, rendering you more or less blind. Then you drive back, and then its a so called de-brief, then you fill in forms that replicate what your tacho has recorded, then you have to do a manual entry for all of this, then you get called in for a disciplinary because your forms don’t match the tacho and your manual entry doesn’t match your forms and the whole concept of moving that load from Scarborough to Birmingham is forgotten and the main focus of your vocational life is the appeasement of office staff who’s only purpose is to enforce the things that are unnecessary in the first place.
Yes many of us don’t work for companies quite that bad and I know I never did but when people come on here, genuinely worried for their jobs and livelihoods because they’ve done something exceptionally trivial, I put my view across that its a disgrace that any of us should have to live with that sort of thing in our daily lives at work.
So yes, I am the opposite to the ■■■■■■■■ regulation following jobsworths who do all of the above and insist others do too, but I certainly do care, I care a lot.
When I first joined the Army as a teenager I used to try and ‘buck’ he system. Bend rules, avoid doing things etc etc. After a few trips to ‘the corner house’ where they didn’t particularly treat you well I learnt to obey the rules whether I agreed with them or not. I found life much easier when I jumped when they said jump. As a headstrong teen I thought I could actually change the system … pointless trying.
I ultimately found ways to keep the people above me happy - yet make my life easier. I knew which rules I could ignore/bend and which I could be found out about. Unfortunately other lads didn’t see this and continually broke ‘the rules’ spending most of their time in the jail, on extra duties or generally in the ■■■■.
I guess that is why I am a rule follower. Give me a rule - I obey it, unless I can figure a way to avoid it or perhaps fiddle it without a chance of being caught. Call me a coward.
There are many aspects of Drivers Hours rules where by knowing the rules well, knowing how enforcement works etc you can tow the line to a degree that suits you and keep bosses/DVSA happy as well.
The guys I worry about are those who don’t know the rules well and are bending/breaking them through ignorance or from listening to someone else who is an inherent rule breaker and is generally winging it and knows it. Guess which one will get caught
So we all choose whether or not to toe the line
shep532:
When I first joined the Army as a teenager I used to try and ‘buck’ he system. Bend rules, avoid doing things etc etc. After a few trips to ‘the corner house’ where they didn’t particularly treat you well I learnt to obey the rules whether I agreed with them or not. I found life much easier when I jumped when they said jump. As a headstrong teen I thought I could actually change the system … pointless trying.I ultimately found ways to keep the people above me happy - yet make my life easier. I knew which rules I could ignore/bend and which I could be found out about. Unfortunately other lads didn’t see this and continually broke ‘the rules’ spending most of their time in the jail, on extra duties or generally in the [zb].
I guess that is why I am a rule follower. Give me a rule - I obey it, unless I can figure a way to avoid it or perhaps fiddle it without a chance of being caught. Call me a coward.
There are many aspects of Drivers Hours rules where by knowing the rules well, knowing how enforcement works etc you can tow the line to a degree that suits you and keep bosses/DVSA happy as well.
The guys I worry about are those who don’t know the rules well and are bending/breaking them through ignorance or from listening to someone else who is an inherent rule breaker and is generally winging it and knows it. Guess which one will get caught
So we all choose whether or not to toe the line
Can’t disagree with any of that.
At the end of the day when you take a job you take the Kings Shilling, your boss pays you to do the job how he wants it done, just as the bosses customer is also your boss because without said customer none of you have any work or money.
This thread deteriorated into just another moan for no good reason, there’s rules we have to obey (and the moaners do so to keep their jobs too), manual entries don’t take me more than a couple of mins (i can’t do them in 20 seconds but then i can’t speed text like someone on speed either) and i’m very well paid in an own account company that runs absolutely legal to the letter, so if they ask me to enter finish and start times why would i be a prick for doing as i’m asked by someone who pays me very well to do so…i’d be a prick if i didn’t do so willingly and they got shot of me and i ended up on a crap logistics outfit doing two weeks work every week for a pittance and still ended up having to do it anyway when the repercussions of the probably regular attention of the VOSA stopping officer gave me an almightly bollocking and made copious notes.
Debriefing, bah, we don’t call it that where i work (Daily Work Record), is a stupid phrase coined by some fast track promotee in a shiny suit to impress his equally idiotic boss, who instead of saying that’s a good term Tarquin and promoting the idiot faster, should instead have sacked him on the spot…instead other twerps in shiny suits took the stupid term on.
When we start paying our bosses we can tell them how its going to be, as it for us employed drivers if you want to work for good paying legal companies you have to do whats required.
Juddian makes a good point, he has a bloody good job and he intends to keep it, so fair play to him. The ex Army lad has his way of dealing with stuff also, and it works for him.
There are different ways of conforming to stuff that we don’t agree with.
The point I was making, was that I wasn’t (as accused);slagging off drivers just for conforming to this sort of stuff, except for the ones that get on my ■■■■, the drivers who can not see all this stuff for what it really is. That is keeping up appearances, pedantry, unnecessary over regulation, and general ■■■■■■■■. But not only that but regurgitate it all in rule numbers and subsections (especially one on here, anon) and act as ■■■■■■ defenders of it all by actually justifying it. 
I may have give the wrong impression, (reading some comments about me) that I just go around my firm being a complete arrogant arse saying… ‘■■■■ that I ain’t doing it’ Of course I don’t , I said I was laid back, I didn’t say I was ■■■■■■ stupid, …and I would not last 5 mins in a job if I was.
I worked out based for 10 yrs for a co 350 miles from home, the only reason I left was because the boss retired, he wanted to keep my out based truck and me on only as a sideline, (but I took redundancy instead) so I must have been doing something right, and I got a job with the Dutch and moved on.
The firm I now work for has it’s bull ■■■■,… they all do. The boss knows me and what I’m like but we get on well, ( maybe because of that who knows) he maybe does not give me as much flak as he does some of the other drivers, never tries to push me as he knows I stick up for myself, but also he knows I do get the job done without having to be watched (and just to add I was not on the last redundancy list, so again …doing something right)
If faced with some nonsence crap to do, of course I conform to a point,… but in my own way, …winning by appearing to lose, (examples of which I ain’t prepared to go into on here)
So everybody is happy, but I see it as it really is, and don’t fall for it hook line and thingy.
So without appearing to back pedal, …yeh as suggested by some on this thread, … I do conform, as we all have to, but at least safe in the knowledge I ain’t been taken for a completevshit.
robroy:
Juddian makes a good point, he has a bloody good job and he intends to keep it, so fair play to him. The ex Army lad has his way of dealing with stuff also, and it works for him.There are different ways of conforming to stuff that we don’t agree with.
The point I was making, was that I wasn’t (as accused);slagging off drivers just for conforming to this sort of stuff, except for the ones that get on my ■■■■, the drivers who can not see all this stuff for what it really is. That is keeping up appearances, pedantry, unnecessary over regulation, and general ■■■■■■■■. But not only that but regurgitate it all in rule numbers and subsections (especially one on here, anon) and act as [zb] defenders of it all by actually justifying it.
I may have give the wrong impression, (reading some comments about me) that I just go around my firm being a complete arrogant arse saying… ‘[zb] that I ain’t doing it’ Of course I don’t
I worked out based for 10 yrs for a co 350 miles from home, the only reason I left was because the boss retired, he wanted to keep my out based truck and me on only, so I must have been doing something right, but I got a job with the Dutch and moved on.
The firm I now work for has it’s bull [zb],… they all do, the boss knows me and what I’m like but we get on well, he maybe does not give me as much flak as he does some of the other drivers as he knows I stick up for myself, but he knows I do get the job done without having to be watched (and just to add I was not on the last redundancy list, so again …doing something right)
If faced with some crap to do, of course I conform to a point, but in my own way, …winning by appearing to lose, (examples of which I ain’t prepared to go into on here) so everybody is happy, but I see it as it really is, and don’t fall for it hook line and thingy.
So without appearing to back pedal, …yeh as suggested by some on this thread, … I do conform, as we all have to, but safe in the knowledge I ain’t been taken for a [zb].
Just to add to that, its interesting the way the Robroy has stayed in work, for the usually better paying Dutch companies too.
A relative of mine works for a foreign company on the lorries too and a ■■■■ good job it is, the only Brit driver still there, it was basically constant wingeing and creating problems to not do the job that saw the rest of the Brit drivers gone, they have no plans to recruit any more, its not down to money either as my relative does very nicely thankyou and will do doubly so at retirement.
No I ain’t still on for the Dutch Juddian, I left for the Belgians which was a bloody good job, but I was doing Scotch through Hull, which only lasted until they put back on the Rosyth/Zeeby ferry, so I left.
Back on UK only now for local firm.
Love the way you say ‘It’s interesting that I’m still in work’ cheers for that mate!
robroy:
Love the way you say ‘It’s interesting that I’m still in work’ cheers for that mate!
Yeah i could have put that better… 
Manual entries! Still not done one, and don’t intend to, and nothing said by anyone. Happy days 
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robroy:
stevieboy308:
robinhood and robroy come across to me, like the the exact opposite and just as bad of what they’re ■■■■■■■■ about, rightly or wrongly, it comes across to me like you don’t give a [zb]. i think most people sit somewhere in the middle, with a common sense approach, some are ■■■■ about it and some don’t give a [zb]. you know what to do, it’s not hard, but at least it’ll give you some ammo to ■■■■■ about vosa if you get busted for something easily avoidedI can’t speak for RH, but yeh, ok, that’s maybe a fair analysis. I do approach stuff from a ‘laid back’ perspective, and maybe it does border on not giving a [zb], but’s that’s just my character. I don’t get stressed out over trivial matters.
I have been bankrupt in the past, lost my home, but dusted myself down and dealt with it. So anything that is to do with ridiculous bureaucracy does not phase me, and in my view is insignificant in contrast.
I do not react well to being taken for granted to tow the line, and I freely admit to having a low to zero tolerance towards ■■■■ heads, and the sort of stuff (as in this case) that they try and instill into people that are only out to make a living, who are fighting an ever increasing battle to do so because of these characters.
I’ve had run ins with the then ‘Ministry’ when I was an o/driver, but since being employed for the last 20 or so years, the casual way I have gone about things in the job, and approached them, has so far always worked for me.
So if as you say ’ I get busted for something trivial’ I certainly won’t lose any sleep over it, as I have had a good run up to now.
Also an added bonus of not giving a [zb] about trivial bull crap, is it is a brilliant way of avoiding a heart attack.
do you think there should be restrictions on what hours we can work / drive?
in the past i’d never bothered with manual entries, but then it will of been few and far between that one would’ve been needed as i was a driver, so the card was always in. but now i do plenty of other stuff too, sometimes not driving a truck for 3 weeks and i choose to fill in the blanks, where they are needed, on the off chance i get pulled, and the off chance they look into it, i’m not gonna be sat there thinking i wish i was more like robroy and not give a ■■■■ about this fine i might or might not be getting!! it probably averages out at 2 - 3 minutes a week spent doing manual entries whilst i’m getting paid, i’m not rushed, so have plenty of time to do it, it won’t affect the time i get home, risk reward ratio.
stevieboy308:
robroy:
stevieboy308:
robinhood and robroy come across to me, like the the exact opposite and just as bad of what they’re ■■■■■■■■ about, rightly or wrongly, it comes across to me like you don’t give a [zb]. i think most people sit somewhere in the middle, with a common sense approach, some are ■■■■ about it and some don’t give a [zb]. you know what to do, it’s not hard, but at least it’ll give you some ammo to ■■■■■ about vosa if you get busted for something easily avoidedI can’t speak for RH, but yeh, ok, that’s maybe a fair analysis. I do approach stuff from a ‘laid back’ perspective, and maybe it does border on not giving a [zb], but’s that’s just my character. I don’t get stressed out over trivial matters.
I have been bankrupt in the past, lost my home, but dusted myself down and dealt with it. So anything that is to do with ridiculous bureaucracy does not phase me, and in my view is insignificant in contrast.
I do not react well to being taken for granted to tow the line, and I freely admit to having a low to zero tolerance towards ■■■■ heads, and the sort of stuff (as in this case) that they try and instill into people that are only out to make a living, who are fighting an ever increasing battle to do so because of these characters.
I’ve had run ins with the then ‘Ministry’ when I was an o/driver, but since being employed for the last 20 or so years, the casual way I have gone about things in the job, and approached them, has so far always worked for me.
So if as you say ’ I get busted for something trivial’ I certainly won’t lose any sleep over it, as I have had a good run up to now.
Also an added bonus of not giving a [zb] about trivial bull crap, is it is a brilliant way of avoiding a heart attack.do you think there should be restrictions on what hours we can work / drive?
in the past i’d never bothered with manual entries, but then it will of been few and far between that one would’ve been needed as i was a driver, so the card was always in. but now i do plenty of other stuff too, sometimes not driving a truck for 3 weeks and i choose to fill in the blanks, where they are needed, on the off chance i get pulled, and the off chance they look into it, i’m not gonna be sat there thinking i wish i was more like robroy and not give a [zb] about this fine i might or might not be getting!! it probably averages out at 2 - 3 minutes a week spent doing manual entries whilst i’m getting paid, i’m not rushed, so have plenty of time to do it, it won’t affect the time i get home, risk reward ratio.
Just you do what you feel comfortable with mate, it’s really got nothing to do with me. 
I only explained my point of view, and the way I go about things as a response to your comments about me, nothing else. 
Btw. Which part of my reply to you made you think that my opinion was there should be no driving hours restrictions. ■■?
robinhood_1984:
stevieboy308:
robinhood and robroy come across to me, like the the exact opposite and just as bad of what they’re ■■■■■■■■ about, rightly or wrongly, it comes across to me like you don’t give a [zb]. i think most people sit somewhere in the middle, with a common sense approach, some are ■■■■ about it and some don’t give a [zb]. you know what to do, it’s not hard, but at least it’ll give you some ammo to ■■■■■ about vosa if you get busted for something easily avoidedMy problem is that I care too much Steve. I’m not even in the UK anymore so this stuff doesn’t even affect me any more yet I’m still here moaning about it. I care about doing a good job, doing it properly etc and I enjoy doing so and its because of that that I find myself resenting all the hangers on who’ve poked their fingers in to the pie, in this case our industry and invented totally irrelivent nonsense to further their own employment prospects, ie training providers and leglislators/compliance and enforcement etc.
We all know its not hard turning up to work on a Monday morning, taking a load from Scarborough to Birmingham, reloading in Coventry and back to York, thats the easy bit. Then add in all the secondary nonsense and hoops you have to jump through these days before you can start work, your drive down there, the little hitlers who will pounce on you for not wearing a high vis, for wearing the wrong colour high vis, for climbing on your own trailer to secure a load, for not wearing a hard hat, for not wearing goggles, even if like me you wear glasses and to do so would cause them to mist over, rendering you more or less blind. Then you drive back, and then its a so called de-brief, then you fill in forms that replicate what your tacho has recorded, then you have to do a manual entry for all of this, then you get called in for a disciplinary because your forms don’t match the tacho and your manual entry doesn’t match your forms and the whole concept of moving that load from Scarborough to Birmingham is forgotten and the main focus of your vocational life is the appeasement of office staff who’s only purpose is to enforce the things that are unnecessary in the first place.
Yes many of us don’t work for companies quite that bad and I know I never did but when people come on here, genuinely worried for their jobs and livelihoods because they’ve done something exceptionally trivial, I put my view across that its a disgrace that any of us should have to live with that sort of thing in our daily lives at work.
So yes, I am the opposite to the ■■■■■■■■ regulation following jobsworths who do all of the above and insist others do too, but I certainly do care, I care a lot.
i agree with you on the h&s !!
do you think there should be limits on what we can work / drive?
i don’t think there’ll be many people / firms getting in a knot over a couple of minutes between taking your card out, handing your keys back and clocking out, i think you’re making out it’s far more ■■■■ than is, i think you usually make thinks out worse than they are!! but where do you draw the line? i could do a 10 hour shift nothing to do with a truck and then just nip out in the truck for an hour, do you not think that might set alarm bells off if i was stopped? just an odd hour here and there.
yes the 1st time i heard about a debrief when i got back, i smirked and found it a bit ott and funny, like something off the bill after a big incident! but then you get used to it and it becomes the norm, handing your POD’s back, getting asked if there was any problems and passing the keys back, what do you want to call it? and does it really matter?
i’m not bothered if others do manual entries or not, just don’t ■■■■■ on the off chance you get busted for it!
robroy:
stevieboy308:
robroy:
stevieboy308:
robinhood and robroy come across to me, like the the exact opposite and just as bad of what they’re ■■■■■■■■ about, rightly or wrongly, it comes across to me like you don’t give a [zb]. i think most people sit somewhere in the middle, with a common sense approach, some are ■■■■ about it and some don’t give a [zb]. you know what to do, it’s not hard, but at least it’ll give you some ammo to ■■■■■ about vosa if you get busted for something easily avoidedI can’t speak for RH, but yeh, ok, that’s maybe a fair analysis. I do approach stuff from a ‘laid back’ perspective, and maybe it does border on not giving a [zb], but’s that’s just my character. I don’t get stressed out over trivial matters.
I have been bankrupt in the past, lost my home, but dusted myself down and dealt with it. So anything that is to do with ridiculous bureaucracy does not phase me, and in my view is insignificant in contrast.
I do not react well to being taken for granted to tow the line, and I freely admit to having a low to zero tolerance towards ■■■■ heads, and the sort of stuff (as in this case) that they try and instill into people that are only out to make a living, who are fighting an ever increasing battle to do so because of these characters.
I’ve had run ins with the then ‘Ministry’ when I was an o/driver, but since being employed for the last 20 or so years, the casual way I have gone about things in the job, and approached them, has so far always worked for me.
So if as you say ’ I get busted for something trivial’ I certainly won’t lose any sleep over it, as I have had a good run up to now.
Also an added bonus of not giving a [zb] about trivial bull crap, is it is a brilliant way of avoiding a heart attack.do you think there should be restrictions on what hours we can work / drive?
in the past i’d never bothered with manual entries, but then it will of been few and far between that one would’ve been needed as i was a driver, so the card was always in. but now i do plenty of other stuff too, sometimes not driving a truck for 3 weeks and i choose to fill in the blanks, where they are needed, on the off chance i get pulled, and the off chance they look into it, i’m not gonna be sat there thinking i wish i was more like robroy and not give a [zb] about this fine i might or might not be getting!! it probably averages out at 2 - 3 minutes a week spent doing manual entries whilst i’m getting paid, i’m not rushed, so have plenty of time to do it, it won’t affect the time i get home, risk reward ratio.
Just you do what you feel comfortable with mate, it’s really got nothing to do with me.
I only explained my point of view, and the way I go about things as a response to your comments about me, nothing else.Btw. Which part of my reply to you made you think that my opinion was there should be no driving hours restrictions.
i never said that, i asked you if you think there should be restrictions!!
nightline:
tachograph:
LIBERTY_GUY:
This is a question rather than a critique, but I always thought the point of tachographs (and log books before that) was to ensure you didn’t exceed your DRIVING hours, took your proper breaks throughout your driving period and have your daily rest between DRIVING shifts. Someone please feel free to enlighten me what this manual entry crud is all about and please don’t say WTD, as I’ve yet to read of people actually getting busted for WTD stuff. Your tacho was always there to record time IN the vehicle surely?The tachograph like log sheets before them is to record a drivers activities throughout the day, that’s all work related activities not just activities in the vehicle, in that respect nothing has changed.
Even with log books we were expected to record work done away from the vehicle, the only real difference is that with log sheets you could pretty much make up your own story
edit: Without wishing to get too pedantic about this and purely to confirm what I’m saying about the records not being just for work done in the vehicle, there is actually a penalty in the sanctions book for not doing manual entries to cover work done that’s not automatically recorded on the tachograph.
What a load of crap, do you go to your boss and tell him, by the way boss I was working out my back garden. What a load of over hype load of [zb],
I sort of doubt many other people would regard digging the garden or whatever as a work related activity 
Stevieboy. Of course I agree with hours restrictions, why tf wouldn’t I? If it was a free for all you would have some of the present idiots doin 20+ hour days.
What I don’t agree with is this zero tolerance policy, either perceived or true, that has some drivers ■■■■ ing themselves if they happen to inadvertantly go over their driving time for all of 2 minutes
robroy:
Stevieboy. Of course I agree with hours restrictions, why tf wouldn’t I? If it was a free for all you would have some of the present idiots doin 20+ hour days.
What I don’t agree with is this zero tolerance policy, either perceived or true, that has some drivers [zb] ing themselves if they happen to inadvertantly go over their driving time for all of 2 minutes
But there’s isn’t a zero tolerance policy, some people say you’re going to get fined for going 2 mins over, then other people believe them, ■■■■ themselves over it and warn others about this zero tolerance policy. They even tell you they’ll generally give 15 grace, unless it is regularly made use of! They tell you if you get stuck in traffic etc, do a printout and you’ll be ok.
If you agree there needs to be rules and regs, then without any enforcement it’s pointless. I’m not saying everything is perfect, where would you draw the line?
robroy:
Stevieboy. Of course I agree with hours restrictions, why tf wouldn’t I? If it was a free for all you would have some of the present idiots doin 20+ hour days.
What I don’t agree with is this zero tolerance policy, either perceived or true, that has some drivers [zb] ing themselves if they happen to inadvertantly go over their driving time for all of 2 minutes
But if everyone in the industry actually bothered to read the regulations/law/policies they would know that there isn’t a zero tolerance policy and exactly what the policy is. I personally think DCPC will help here as the information can be put across to the drivers - the CORRECT information.