Who bothers with manual entries for “showing x minutes at the end of the day”? Any manual work like maintenance, driving plant in the yard etc is all recorded as my card is still on other work and my card comes out just before I lock up lorry and get in my car (parked 10 yards from lorry). AFAIAC this is legal but some drivers say I should show “debrief” time.
I do. Takes about 20 seconds after inserting card
We’re told we have to show all the time we’re claiming pay for on our digicards. Like Kevin says its 20 seconds at the start of the following day. If you really are locking your truck up, jumping straight in your car and going home then carry on. If you’re like me though where you lock the truck up, jump into the car, go back to the transport office, hand the keys in, hand in paperwork, all of which can take 10 minutes or so when its busy then you should be recording it as other work.
Company asks us to, we comply, they run a very tight ship, it takes a couple of mins the first few times but once you get used to it you can whizz the numbers in.
Truck I’m driving at moment is an analogue tacho, so just keep a diary entry so I can book my hours through the agency. Taking the tacho out is the last thing I do after I have fuelled up, handed the paperwork and put my bag in my car etc, as need to pad it out a bit. 
Only thing I do after removing the tacho is hang the truck keys up.
I haven’t really used a digi tacho much, but the online YouTube tutorials for doing manual entries always seem to be different to what actually appears on the tachos I use, so I simply don’t bother doing them and click no for manual entries. Rather do that than screw the tacho details up by not knowing what I am doing. 
When I saw the title I remembered that lovely bit of crumpet bending over while she put her shopping in the car the other day. I thought debrief and manual entry would be very nice.
Muckaway:
Who bothers with manual entries for “showing x minutes at the end of the day”? Any manual work like maintenance, driving plant in the yard etc is all recorded as my card is still on other work and my card comes out just before I lock up lorry and get in my car (parked 10 yards from lorry). AFAIAC this is legal but some drivers say I should show “debrief” time.
In your situation Nathan, what you are doing is absolutely fine. Crack on.
The trouble is, that your situation, and mine 
is very rare. As such, a lot of robots, sorry I mean drivers, can’t wrap their head around someone else’s circumstances. So they just trot out the lines their TMs say to them… “you can’t do that, because we do it like this…”
Yes do it ,been told to book off at 1 min past the 1/4 hr ,so finish log off / take tacho out 15.01 then put a manual entry in next day finishing 15.15 ( other work ) ,the should be rest until my next start time but as I’m tired/ not with it I often get wrong mode ,other work ,poa ( only realise when get going ,put up driving on dash and you’ve already done 8/9 hrs 
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I did have a recent meeting as I’ve been getting loads of infringements ,told boss I’m that tired I’m struggling what day it is never mind what mode I need to be on ,he just said to pull yourself to gether ,we all get tired and put yet more marks on my file ( 9-5 sat on your ■■■ on a chair is a bit different from 1 a.m - 4 p.m being constantly chased ,run ragged 
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I do manuals as we have three trucks (two on analogue) and it’s not uncommon for me to drive all three on a quiet day (plus the diggers). I just write on back of tacho chart "on digi (insert times) should I get stopped. I’ll also manually record daily rest if I finished the previous day on digi and start on digi.
Conor:
We’re told we have to show all the time we’re claiming pay for on our digicards. Like Kevin says its 20 seconds at the start of the following day. If you really are locking your truck up, jumping straight in your car and going home then carry on. If you’re like me though where you lock the truck up, jump into the car, go back to the transport office, hand the keys in, hand in paperwork, all of which can take 10 minutes or so when its busy then you should be recording it as other work.
What you say is more than likely correct , but wtf has this job come to when you just about have to account for every ■■■■■■ second .You sound like you are quoting the 20second thing with a straight face.
All this type of ■■■■■■■■ is simply just paying lip service and showing total subservience, to the pedantic and downright ridiculous, over regulation set out by the faceless powers that be.
Will the world really end if you do not record handing your keys in ffs, and what if you drop them en route to the office, bend over split your kecks, go back in your cab and look for a safety pin, do you make a manual entry, or write on the back of a printout?
I bet if you asked one of these dicks (that devised all this crap) that question, the irony would be lost on them, they would think you were being serious, with their heads firmly stuck up their own arses.
Also wtf is ‘Debriefing’ I thought it was what WW2 bomber crews had to do at the end of a mission, not drivers after delivering a load of bog rolls to Tescos.
Do you ALL really take this type of bull ■■■■ seriously or what? I mean, is it ONLY me.
robroy:
Conor:
We’re told we have to show all the time we’re claiming pay for on our digicards. Like Kevin says its 20 seconds at the start of the following day. If you really are locking your truck up, jumping straight in your car and going home then carry on. If you’re like me though where you lock the truck up, jump into the car, go back to the transport office, hand the keys in, hand in paperwork, all of which can take 10 minutes or so when its busy then you should be recording it as other work.What you say is more than likely correct , but wtf has this job come to when you just about have to account for every [zb] second
All this type of ■■■■■■■■ is simply just paying lip service and showing total subservience, to the pedantic and downright ridiculous, over regulation set out by the faceless powers that be.
Will the world really end if you do not record handing your keys in ffs, and what if you drop them en route to the office, bend over split your kecks, go back in your cab and look for a safety pin, do you make a manual entry, or write on the back of a printout?
I bet if you asked one of these dicks (that devised all this crap) that question, the irony would be lost on them, they would think you were being serious, with their heads firmly stuck up their own arses.Also wtf is ‘Debriefing’
Do you ALL really take this type of bull [zb] seriously or what?
Ah dear chap, you must work for the last old school operator in the country, this bollox has been going on for years now, i first got debriefed (oh perlease, MI6 wannabes do get over yourselves with the terminology) when i worked for Kwik Save around the mid 90’s and yes that was delivering standard supermarket stuff,…who makes this stuff up?
The problem is that the cancer of the way the 3 or 4 large original logistics (another fancy label that means bugger all) operators started this trend and their disciples have spread wide and far into glorified transport admin (call themselves management) everywhere else.
Along with BS5750 that everyone had to have to deal with each other…wish i’d come up with that nice little earner, better than the Masons…it’s ever more bullshine creating every increasing admin/training depts on previously quite normal companies, they’re like a cancer thats spread throughout the whole of the country, its not just transport either, you only have to look at the cost penalties misery and inefficiency that ever sillier H&S cobblers has brought…H&S alone must cost £billions, what a nice little non job scam for those devising all this carp.
We’ve been asked, we get asked not ordered cos the company is civil in the real meaning of the term, to enter these meaningless final and start times, they pay us very well to do our jobs so we do as we’re told…it’s bollox you and i know it’s bollox, but the whole country is one big bag of bollox now and our intrepid leaders have been fiddling (in all ways) whilst the country burns around us.
All we can do as individual drivers is smile wearily and go along with ever increasing bullshine, and we adjust our completed work rates accordingly, if we’re spending 10% of our work time filling in poncy debriefing info instead of 1% thats 9% less production they’ll see from us, when it gets to 20% debrief type carp we’ll be doing 19% less productive work than we were, so what i rather be drinking tea and ticking boxes than stuck on the A13 at Barking at 4pm on a Friday.
We as drivers never asked for any of this, and its the antics of a very small minority of offenders and self serving one size fits all (lowest common denominator) reaction from those involved in legislation and enforcement that have forced this upon us, so just do what you have to, do less work overall and pocket the money, the whole house of cards that is UK PLC will come to a crashing halt sooner or later when interest rates go back to normality and the still spiralling national debt can’t be serviced, we’ll see some more changes then we can do nothing about, so we’ll do exactly the same then, their bidding, and pocket the money, thankyou and goodnight.
Debrief ■■■■■■■ debrief what’s that cobblers when it’s at home ?
I just keep my tacho hours in line with my time sheet within plus or minus 5 mins
I ask or get told what I’m doing the next day , fuel up if needed etc have a chat if there’s anyone worth chatting too take my card out walk to car and go home simples
robroy:
Conor:
We’re told we have to show all the time we’re claiming pay for on our digicards. Like Kevin says its 20 seconds at the start of the following day. If you really are locking your truck up, jumping straight in your car and going home then carry on. If you’re like me though where you lock the truck up, jump into the car, go back to the transport office, hand the keys in, hand in paperwork, all of which can take 10 minutes or so when its busy then you should be recording it as other work.What you say is more than likely correct , but wtf has this job come to when you just about have to account for every [zb] second
All this type of ■■■■■■■■ is simply just paying lip service and showing total subservience, to the pedantic and downright ridiculous, over regulation set out by the faceless powers that be.
Will the world really end if you do not record handing your keys in ffs, and what if you drop them en route to the office, bend over split your kecks, go back in your cab and look for a safety pin, do you make a manual entry, or write on the back of a printout?
I bet if you asked one of these dicks (that devised all this crap) that question, the irony would be lost on them, they would think you were being serious, with their heads firmly stuck up their own arses.Also wtf is ‘Debriefing’
Do you ALL really take this type of bull [zb] seriously or what?
It really does only take 20 seconds, in fact sometimes I can do it in 15.
I’ve always done manual entries to cover anything done when my card wasn’t in the tachograph, as has been said it takes less than a minute so not a problem.
If you’re jumping out of the lorry into your car and leaving work then doing the same in reverse when you start a new shift there’s no point in doing manual entries, just check that the time between shifts is being correctly recorded as rest and that’s all you need to bother about.
Juddian mate, what you say is true, but you and me remember when all this type of ■■■■■■■■ didn’t exist, the days when drivers simply used to say ‘No’, if something unfair, or as in this case downright derisory, was attempted to be dished out to them.
I’m ■■■■■■ ed if I’m gonna be debriefed, debagged, or ■■■■■■■ debauched by these winkers, I just ain’t playing…end of, and if they want to execute me for not accounting for 20seconds on my digi they can go and ■■■■ themselves.
A lot of younger drivers know nothing else, so just think it is acceptable and normal to be made to jump through hoops.
You mention h&s, I just shake my head in despair, for example , everytime I have to dress up like some kind of ■■■■■■ circus clown in a specified colour hi viz, funny hat and the ever so important chin strap,… just to qualify me to watch a forklift driver load building materials on my trailer ffs.
When you and me are put out to grass, all drivers will be servantile, non questioning robots because all this type of h&s ■■■■■■■■, airtight MI5 style driver’s hours regulations, and all the rest of the meaningless crap will be all they know.
The Orwellian 1984 state has been achieved in transport by pompous bureaucrats, and we all just bend over for them, with arses stuck out…Happy days 
kevin0410:
robroy:
Conor:
We’re told we have to show all the time we’re claiming pay for on our digicards. Like Kevin says its 20 seconds at the start of the following day. If you really are locking your truck up, jumping straight in your car and going home then carry on. If you’re like me though where you lock the truck up, jump into the car, go back to the transport office, hand the keys in, hand in paperwork, all of which can take 10 minutes or so when its busy then you should be recording it as other work.What you say is more than likely correct , but wtf has this job come to when you just about have to account for every [zb] second
All this type of ■■■■■■■■ is simply just paying lip service and showing total subservience, to the pedantic and downright ridiculous, over regulation set out by the faceless powers that be.
Will the world really end if you do not record handing your keys in ffs, and what if you drop them en route to the office, bend over split your kecks, go back in your cab and look for a safety pin, do you make a manual entry, or write on the back of a printout?
I bet if you asked one of these dicks (that devised all this crap) that question, the irony would be lost on them, they would think you were being serious, with their heads firmly stuck up their own arses.Also wtf is ‘Debriefing’
Do you ALL really take this type of bull [zb] seriously or what?It really does only take 20 seconds, in fact sometimes I can do it in 15.
Well congratulations, well done mate!
Top of the class…you will go far.
Im lucky as I park me car in me trucks spot then start straight away or vica versa and jump straight in me car to go home. Suppose if I had to cover missing time a manual entry or two would become a doddle and no biggy to tick the UKs ever increasing pedantic box exercise.
I havent had a debrief since the embassy jolly or that time in North Korea I aint allowed to discuss.
I also like to give myself a manual entry whilst wearing the wifes briefs.
I bring the truck back in one piece, complete with original mirrors and rear light lenses. No need for debriefs as the job has been done. The driver has driven and is now driving himself home.
Only manual entry I know of, is what Stobrats drivers do with various fruit in their cabs, but that’s a discussion for another thread…
Of course, the advantage of routinely doing manual entries to cover briefing/debriefing etc is that it becomes second nature - So that when you do need to do one “for real” you avoid cocking up the procedure (or - even worse - having to actually go and ask the agency driver to show you how to do it as you are unfamiliar with the procedure on the new type tachographs…).
F-reds:
Muckaway:
Who bothers with manual entries for “showing x minutes at the end of the day”? Any manual work like maintenance, driving plant in the yard etc is all recorded as my card is still on other work and my card comes out just before I lock up lorry and get in my car (parked 10 yards from lorry). AFAIAC this is legal but some drivers say I should show “debrief” time.In your situation Nathan, what you are doing is absolutely fine. Crack on.
The trouble is, that your situation, and mine
Not really,if your payed off your tacho and you add say 15 mins a day that’s 1.25hrs a week,5 hours a month ect that your in work but not getting paid…doesn’t exactly make you smart does it?!