Zac_A:
Weren’t the three emojis enough of an indication? 
Complete the sentence: “I’m not laughing with the Conspiracy Theorists…”
Like I said, I bit of “Chlorine for the gene pool” is fine by me.
EDIT: I suppose you CT fans have been “enjoying” the nonsense spouted by Jamie Freeman? That it is impossible to catch corona virus because viruses are solvents which are created inside human cells 
jamiefreeman.news/you-cannot-ca … mpossible/
So still no answer to the question what harm does anyone’s refusal of vaccination do to those who choose who take it ■■?.
China’s stated bioweapon intentions against the west are no conspiracy theory nor are the origins of this virus.Which just leaves the question as to how did/do they intend to deliver it.
Carryfast:
manalishi:
Other interesting coincidences,3 individuals aboard the Titanic who perished,Jacob Astor,Guggenheim and Benjamin Strauss…connection??they all opposed the Federal Reserve creation and couldn’t be bought due to their vast financial acumen,apparently the ship had an unfortunate run in with a warship off the Isle Of Wight.A ‘bizzare’ collision and suffered immense bulkhead damage but the conspiracy theory was the ship was swapped for another of its sister vessels and allowed to sail with a different name plate,or is this a case of using one conspiracy to cover a more pressing one,i.e the wresting of financial control of nations by utilising artificial,unbacked currencies into the hands of the ‘usual suspects’?..you decide.These black-ops sure have major payoffs when executed so deftly wouldn’t you agree?
If the Titanic sinking was an elaborate hit to get rid of some nuisances to the elites how did they know they’d all definitely be lost and not survive or even that they were all going to be on the voyage.Surely the plan would have taken longer to formulate than the time from when their travel bookings were made.
The Olympic v Titanic conspiracy is a lot more credible though.
SiS intelligence agent aboard with assurances of escape or an excessive sense of duty to king and country 
interesting that the company owner JP Morgan had a last minute illness on the maiden voyage and had to cancel.Not exactly nuisances those 3 yeoman and true tbh,more like a genuine obstacle to the most potent power grab on record,the very lifeblood of finance ala fed-rez.Game worth candle?I’d say yes.Travel logistics details not withstanding.
Carryfast:
Zac_A:
Weren’t the three emojis enough of an indication? Complete the sentence: “I’m not laughing with the Conspiracy Theorists…”
Like I said, I bit of “Chlorine for the gene pool” is fine by me.
EDIT: I suppose you CT fans have been “enjoying” the nonsense spouted by Jamie Freeman? That it is impossible to catch corona virus because viruses are solvents which are created inside human cells [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
jamiefreeman.news/you-cannot-ca … mpossible/
So still no answer to the question what harm does anyone’s refusal of vaccination do to those who choose who take it ■■?.
China’s stated bioweapon intentions against the west are no conspiracy theory nor are the origins of this virus.Which just leaves the question as to how did/do they intend to deliver it.
What harm if vaccine not chosen?
Are we free (in the UK) to choose not to wear seat-belts or wear motorcycle helmets? No, the cost to society is too great.
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Should parents be free to choose not to vaccinate their children?
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If so, should parents be free to expose their kids to risk in other ways? Choosing to refuse blood transfusions? Choosing to carry them unrestrained in the front of a car?
Franglais:
Carryfast:
Zac_A:
Weren’t the three emojis enough of an indication? Complete the sentence: “I’m not laughing with the Conspiracy Theorists…”
Like I said, I bit of “Chlorine for the gene pool” is fine by me.
EDIT: I suppose you CT fans have been “enjoying” the nonsense spouted by Jamie Freeman? That it is impossible to catch corona virus because viruses are solvents which are created inside human cells [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
jamiefreeman.news/you-cannot-ca … mpossible/
So still no answer to the question what harm does anyone’s refusal of vaccination do to those who choose who take it ■■?.
China’s stated bioweapon intentions against the west are no conspiracy theory nor are the origins of this virus.Which just leaves the question as to how did/do they intend to deliver it.
What harm if vaccine not chosen?
Are we free (in the UK) to choose not to wear seat-belts or wear motorcycle helmets? No, the cost to society is too great.
.
Should parents be free to choose not to vaccinate their children?
.
If so, should parents be free to expose their kids to risk in other ways? Choosing to refuse blood transfusions? Choosing to carry them unrestrained in the front of a car?
IIRC, the British Sikh community are exempt from wearing a motorcycle helmet on the grounds of religious freedom, similarly the Jehovah’s witnesses have something against blood transfusions (there were 2 brothers I went to school with and they got out of all sorts, memories are a bit hazy these days )
And I am pretty sure there is an exemption from wearing a seat belt in the UK on the grounds of some medical complaints so in this day and age where everyone is special, you seem to have failed in convincing me.
AndieHyde:
Franglais:
Carryfast:
Zac_A:
Weren’t the three emojis enough of an indication? Complete the sentence: “I’m not laughing with the Conspiracy Theorists…”
Like I said, I bit of “Chlorine for the gene pool” is fine by me.
EDIT: I suppose you CT fans have been “enjoying” the nonsense spouted by Jamie Freeman? That it is impossible to catch corona virus because viruses are solvents which are created inside human cells [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
jamiefreeman.news/you-cannot-ca … mpossible/
So still no answer to the question what harm does anyone’s refusal of vaccination do to those who choose who take it ■■?.
China’s stated bioweapon intentions against the west are no conspiracy theory nor are the origins of this virus.Which just leaves the question as to how did/do they intend to deliver it.
What harm if vaccine not chosen?
Are we free (in the UK) to choose not to wear seat-belts or wear motorcycle helmets? No, the cost to society is too great.
.
Should parents be free to choose not to vaccinate their children?
.
If so, should parents be free to expose their kids to risk in other ways? Choosing to refuse blood transfusions? Choosing to carry them unrestrained in the front of a car?
IIRC, the British Sikh community are exempt from wearing a motorcycle helmet on the grounds of religious freedom, similarly the Jehovah’s witnesses have something against blood transfusions (there were 2 brothers I went to school with and they got out of all sorts, memories are a bit hazy these days )
And I am pretty sure there is an exemption from wearing a seat belt in the UK on the grounds of some medical complaints so in this day and age where everyone is special, you seem to have failed in convincing me.
Correct, Sikhs exempt from helmets, and Doctors can exempt medical cases from seat belts.
Those are of course exceptions to the rule, and don’t invalidate it. There is 30mph speed limit, but ambulances etc are excepted in certain cases.
Numerous UK cases of Jehovah Witness minors being given medical treatment against their parents religious objections.
Franglais:
What harm if vaccine not chosen?
Are we free (in the UK) to choose not to wear seat-belts or wear motorcycle helmets? No, the cost to society is too great.
.
Should parents be free to choose not to vaccinate their children?
.
If so, should parents be free to expose their kids to risk in other ways? Choosing to refuse blood transfusions? Choosing to carry them unrestrained in the front of a car?
Where did I say parents free to choose for their children.When you know that your ChiCom Common Purpose stooges won’t allow that because they’ll invoke social services protocols.
But adults are free to decline medication and that’s exactly what this is.The right to decline medication just like I have the right to decline the flu jab and just as I have the right to decline any other type of treatment.Just as I’d probably refuse to be put on a ventilator in this case for reasons of my own.That’s got nothing to do with seat belt and crash helmet laws.It’s patient rights.
The more I see of your ideas the more I think that Manalishi is right.Maybe with a few loose ends concerning the where’s, whens and hows.This is a perfect pretext for evil doers like Hitler’s SS enforcers to carry out a repeat performance.Anything involving the evil ChiCom nazis, in the form of UN or WHO, being more than capable of that.Bearing in mind their statements of intent to use bioweapons against us leaving the question of the delivery method.
Bearing in mind I don’t think there’s any way whatsoever that if this thing and the figures are real they could develop a safe vaccine in time to prevent the resulting apocalypse anyway.Which makes me even more suspicious.
Now you’re getting it.
There are and always will be, exceptions.
So let’s explore the possibilities of a working vaccine being developed and governments around the world mandate its compulsory administration for the greater good.
Then come along the “exceptions” , the ones with their 'Uman rites, innit.
How do we deal with these? Do we have to strap them to a bed to forcibly spike them or do we just let them out into society to keep re-infecting like minded until they all die out from natural attrition.
Then there are the ones off the grid, the ones working in the nail bars and car washes ect.
How do we round up these ones as the immigration authorities dont seem to be up to the task lately.
In conclusion, if you cannot immunize everyone, then it would seem pointless making such a vaccine mandatory.
AndieHyde:
Now you’re getting it.
There are and always will be, exceptions.
So let’s explore the possibilities of a working vaccine being developed and governments around the world mandate its compulsory administration for the greater good.
Then come along the “exceptions” , the ones with their 'Uman rites, innit.
How do we deal with these? Do we have to strap them to a bed to forcibly spike them or do we just let them out into society to keep re-infecting like minded until they all die out from natural attrition.
Then there are the ones off the grid, the ones working in the nail bars and car washes ect.
How do we round up these ones as the immigration authorities dont seem to be up to the task lately.
In conclusion, if you cannot immunize everyone, then it would seem pointless making such a vaccine mandatory.
Unfortunately you ain’t getting the idea of herd immunity are you?
Franglais:
AndieHyde:
Now you’re getting it.
There are and always will be, exceptions.
So let’s explore the possibilities of a working vaccine being developed and governments around the world mandate its compulsory administration for the greater good.
Then come along the “exceptions” , the ones with their 'Uman rites, innit.
How do we deal with these? Do we have to strap them to a bed to forcibly spike them or do we just let them out into society to keep re-infecting like minded until they all die out from natural attrition.
Then there are the ones off the grid, the ones working in the nail bars and car washes ect.
How do we round up these ones as the immigration authorities dont seem to be up to the task lately.
In conclusion, if you cannot immunize everyone, then it would seem pointless making such a vaccine mandatory.
Unfortunately you ain’t getting the idea of herd immunity are you?
Only we are discussing the subject of mandatory vaccination. It’s written on the top of, like literally every post. Herd immunity can be achieved without vaccination but how to vaccinate without consent?
The strong survive or Mr.Gates with a syringe?
AndieHyde:
Franglais:
AndieHyde:
Now you’re getting it.
There are and always will be, exceptions.
So let’s explore the possibilities of a working vaccine being developed and governments around the world mandate its compulsory administration for the greater good.
Then come along the “exceptions” , the ones with their 'Uman rites, innit.
How do we deal with these? Do we have to strap them to a bed to forcibly spike them or do we just let them out into society to keep re-infecting like minded until they all die out from natural attrition.
Then there are the ones off the grid, the ones working in the nail bars and car washes ect.
How do we round up these ones as the immigration authorities dont seem to be up to the task lately.
In conclusion, if you cannot immunize everyone, then it would seem pointless making such a vaccine mandatory.
Unfortunately you ain’t getting the idea of herd immunity are you?
Only we are discussing the subject of mandatory vaccination. It’s written on the top of, like literally every post. Herd immunity can be achieved without vaccination but how to vaccinate without consent?
The strong survive or Mr.Gates with a syringe?
Herd immunity cam be achieved without vaccination at the cost of human lives.
In the case of COVID 19 (although the figures are unsure) half a million seems a reasonable estimate?
In truth, since there isn’t a vaccine here, that is probably what will happen. The most vulnerable will be strictly isolated, whilst Those of us who are less at risk take our chances.
If that is being sold to us as a clever “plan” I think that is awful, but as a description of the future…
Fortunately COVID 19 has relatively low R0 (R nought) figure of maybe 1.5 to 3.5, meaning it is much less contagious than measles (R0 of 12 to 18).
Herd immunity for measles needs over 90% of the population t9 be immune and offer protection to those who can’t be vaccinated. COVID 19 may only need 60% to 70% or so.
. Clearly all the figures referring to this new virus are woolly but those I’ve suggested are widely used.
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If and when a vaccination is produced it won’t need a wide take up to protect the wider population against COVID 19. If there was in the future a more virulent novel disease that would need a much higher take up of vaccination to protect those who can’t be immunized.
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And post-infection immunity is an assumption, although widely used, It isn’t certain.
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I’m no immunologist, and am open to correction.
I am not gonna lie, you probably nailed it right there.
There is no magic solution, the unpalatable truth is we are on our own and no matter which way the coin toss falls, people are going to die. If the virus doesn’t get you, the economical nightmare that has been unleashed certainly will give it a good go.
The strong will survive the way they always have before this artificial manipulation social engineering experiment where everyone is special and has rights while ignoring their responsibilities.
Everyone is hoping to return to “normal”.
But was “normal” really working? 80 hours a week for next to minimum wage just barely managing your bills from drowning you whilst the likes of Phillip Green fills out the order form for his forth multimillion dollar yacht.
The forthcoming vaccine to cure this particular disease will be nothing more than a placebo, further cementing the rich and powerful control over each and everyone of us.
AndieHyde:
I am not gonna lie, you probably nailed it right there.
There is no magic solution, the unpalatable truth is we are on our own and no matter which way the coin toss falls, people are going to die. If the virus doesn’t get you, the economical nightmare that has been unleashed certainly will give it a good go.
The strong will survive the way they always have before this artificial manipulation social engineering experiment where everyone is special and has rights while ignoring their responsibilities.
Everyone is hoping to return to “normal”.
But was “normal” really working? 80 hours a week for next to minimum wage just barely managing your bills from drowning you whilst the likes of Phillip Green fills out the order form for his forth multimillion dollar yacht.
The forthcoming vaccine to cure this particular disease will be nothing more than a placebo, further cementing the rich and powerful control over each and everyone of us.
You sir,speak the very truth of it.
Franglais:
Fortunately COVID 19 has relatively low R0 (R nought) figure of maybe 1.5 to 3.5, meaning it is much less contagious than measles (R0 of 12 to 18).
Herd immunity for measles needs over 90% of the population t9 be immune and offer protection to those who can’t be vaccinated. COVID 19 may only need 60% to 70% or so.
. Clearly all the figures referring to this new virus are woolly but those I’ve suggested are widely used.
.
If and when a vaccination is produced it won’t need a wide take up to protect the wider population against COVID 19. If there was in the future a more virulent novel disease that would need a much higher take up of vaccination to protect those who can’t be immunized.
.
And post-infection immunity is an assumption, although widely used, It isn’t certain.
.
I’m no immunologist, and am open to correction.
If the figures are true we’ve got over 100,000 ongoing known cases ? and 10,000 known deaths ? for a few hundred known recoveries ?.Known death rates accelerating at an exponent of almost 300 last month to this month.
Good luck with trying to get over 30 million recoveries based on those figures.
Wheel Nut:
As I was only in for a colonoscopy and had already decided against taking diazepam so I could drive home afterwards. I didn’t use the gas/air
They offered me gas and air the last gall stone attack I had two years after they’d told me that drinking had caused the pancreatitis that could have killed me. It did absolutely nothing to help the relative less pain of it but made me so dizzy I nearly fell over rushing to the loo to heave more of my guts up before they trundled me off to hospital.That’s when they finally found the gall stones which had been the cause of it all.
But if/when a WHO ( CCP ) official says we’re just going to give you an injection of bat virus vaccine.After telling me that they intend to wipe me out with a bioweapon previously, you can bet I’m going to refuse it to the point of physical violence if they refuse to take no for an answer.
manalishi:
AndieHyde:
The forthcoming vaccine to cure this particular disease will be nothing more than a placebo,
You sir,speak the very truth of it.
If this is a fake virus as part of an agenda 21 stunt I wouldn’t bet on it. 
The Auschwitz shower alarm bells are ringing.
Franglais:
manalishi:
We could go round the houses ad - infinitum on the issue I guess but I assume none of us on here have a doctorate in immunotherapy.There’s good science in both camps for the merits and opposite of this topic but ultimately one goes with intuition and mine and many millions are giving it’s promulgators,a very rigid one finger salute.If Hitachi corp developed a microchip 20 years ago the size of a speck of dust with nano-tech,how hard would it be to get that [zb] into our system I ask in all innocence?
There is good science for the benefits of vaccination…look at the deaths from measles, smallpox, polio. Have your family or neighbours been victims?
NO! Because the bloody vaccines work!
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Good science against vaccines ? Where?
Mumbo jumbo from a struck off doctor? Internet rumour and conjecture form dubious sources.
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Some are making lots of money from medicines it is true.
Apple make lots of money from phones…they do work though.
Just been informed,a good friend of mine up in Manchester’s now officially caught the covid,not surprising given he was in the thick of it all as a senior trauma nurse.He once told me he’s had to take dozens of vaccines over the years.It’s not the vaccines that cause the multiple problems,but the adjuvant preservers,especially (thiremosal) which contain mercury or aluminium in most of them that remains the bone of contention and a good enough reason to avoid them if I myself had to make the choice.Lots of Autism connections revealed by that Dr Wakefield chap years ago.Anything with a Gates element I auto-swerve.
manalishi:
Lots of Autism connections revealed by that Dr Wakefield chap years ago.
F
F
Sake!
No. NOT Dr Andrew Wakefield.
A struck off, former doctor…
“In 2010, the GMC found that Wakefield had been dishonest in his research, had acted against his patients’ best interests and mistreated developmentally delayed children,[9] and had “failed in his duties as a responsible consultant”.[10][11][12] The Lancet fully retracted Wakefield’s 1998 publication on the basis of the GMC’s findings, noting that elements of the manuscript had been falsified and that the journal had been “deceived” by Wakefield.[13][14] Three months later, Wakefield was struck off the UK medical register, due in part to his deliberate falsification of research published in The Lancet,[15] and was barred from practising medicine in the UK.”
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You moan about Big Pharma telling lies, and giving false “facts”? So you should. Well done. Sometimes they do.
But just because a company is big doesn`t mean they are evil.
Neither does being small make someone right.
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Franglais:
manalishi:
Lots of Autism connections revealed by that Dr Wakefield chap years ago.
F
F
Sake!
No. NOT Dr Andrew Wakefield.
A struck off, former doctor…
“In 2010, the GMC found that Wakefield had been dishonest in his research, had acted against his patients’ best interests and mistreated developmentally delayed children,[9] and had “failed in his duties as a responsible consultant”.[10][11][12] The Lancet fully retracted Wakefield’s 1998 publication on the basis of the GMC’s findings, noting that elements of the manuscript had been falsified and that the journal had been “deceived” by Wakefield.[13][14] Three months later, Wakefield was struck off the UK medical register, due in part to his deliberate falsification of research published in The Lancet,[15] and was barred from practising medicine in the UK.”
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You moan about Big Pharma telling lies, and giving false “facts”? So you should. Well done. Sometimes they do.
But just because a company is big doesn`t mean they are evil.
Neither does being small make someone right.
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Fair points,but we’d be here till doomsday if trading brickbats hither and yon on the efficacies of the Rockefeller Foundation understrapped, medical establishment. Look,I get a broken bone,I avail myself of my nearest saw-bones for such matters anything I can’t identify they wish to needle me with I take a different view,in spite of what august periodicals (Lancet) or echo chamber organisations (W/H/O) etc,attempt to brow beat me with, are treated with maximum suspicion.
It might benefit you to do some digging on the Rockefeller foundations complete and utter dominance in all matters ‘medical’,the original founding demon,John D Rockefeller,did everything in his powers,considerable powers,to squash any of the more natural and healthy medications such as Homeopathy,Cannabis, etc in favour to of his petroleum/plastic (understandably) based poisons that have been holding sway for decades,making obviously gargantuan profits and it turns out that he himself,on its deathbed,admitted to using Homeopathy on a regular basis.
I get a lot of these front line medical nuggets from my currently stricken friend,who is a most astute cynic in respect of what the system tries to foist on its customers and its pretty chastening to hear tbh.Things like the fact that most Oncologists refuse to undergo Chemotherapy themselves when stricken with the big C. Also no GP receives much,if any,training in nutritional disciplines.Aren’t you getting hip to all this Franglais? Amazing how many folks are.
manalishi:
,training in nutritional disciplines.Aren’t you getting hip to all this Franglais?
Well, actually, I AM a fully qualified UK Nutritionalist.
Edit.
I don`t have ALL the UK qualifications, but I am sufficiently qualified to work professionally as a Nutritionist.
Franglais:
manalishi:
,training in nutritional disciplines.Aren’t you getting hip to all this Franglais?
Well, actually, I AM a fully qualified UK Nutritionalist.
Edit.
I don`t have ALL the UK qualifications, but I am sufficiently qualified to work professionally as a Nutritionist.
Impressive,a profession of some kudos.I’m dabbling on the fringes of the subject,I juice celery regularly for those all important electrolyte salts that possibly go some way in addressing the Epstein Barr syndrome that’s latent in us all,due in no small measure to Mercury ingestion, I’m led to believe.Natural medicine is proper medicine,big pharmas products a mere sticking plaster with its own nefarious dynamic.I learnt this the hard way with Tramadol addiction.
There was a recent article on mail online with mp Frank Field,canvassing Johnson to make available to everyone a form of Cannabis he took successfully for back pain but could only obtain via private prescription at big expense that most of us couldn’t sustain.Doesn’t that stick in the craw,knowing there’s a medicant out there which our brains are fully adapted to use but is only available to the affluent?