Mabey some sense about Calais crisis

But our Muslim brothers don’t want to integrate they want to dominate , hence why we foister integration up on them i the hope that they will do one
This would be as well as closing the drawbridges as the numbers that are incoming are just not sustainable the uk isn’t big enough, hasn’t got the infrastructure ect,

As for the cheap labour which goes some way in undermining what’s really happening with our economy that the tory toffs keep banging on about ,i don’t believe there is any growth it’s tory propaganda (BS) and lies

And as for human rights we believe it or not need them ,well some of them to protect our freedoms, rights that we take for granted, we do need to prevent them being abused by certain individuals ,so some rules need amending to prevent these occurrences

tommy t:
But our Muslim brothers don’t want to integrate they want to dominate

It’s called human nature and it’s why nature ( rightly ) put all the different ethnic groups on different parts of the planet. :bulb:

I know that we as a country cannot send troops to Calais but why not send some to the Terminal on our side?
Let them search every vehicle for migrants and all found can be returned via buses on the next available shuttle with police/ troop escorts.

It will take time to do this but our troops done something similar for the Olympics and seemed to work ok.
But my point is that if migrants in Calais see others being returned within hrs then that might be a deterrent?

We need to be more proactive rather than reactive as we are with most things in this country.
One the other hand we could leave the EU tomorrow but this would not stop people trying to get into this country as we are too soft with foreigners and several of our own people as well.

If when they get to this country they ask for political asylum, why haven’t they asked for it in all the country’s they’ve come through? answer – Britain is a soft target – fact. That apply’s to any political party that’s in power now or the future.
The Labour party will disagree with most things that the Conservative party puts forward as they are the opposition party (that’s what their paid to do) @65k+ job a year (nice).
The trouble with politicians is that they play the political game, and when a new Labour leader is elected the game will go on.

Most things wrong on this planet has been started either by politics or religion. :cry:

Carryfast:

muckles:

the maoster:
Stop it Muckles, you’re making the poor fellas ears bleed as he frantically searches for the Wikepedia quote that will destroy your argument as comprehensively as you are ripping through his! :smiley:

These little Englanders

I think it would be fair to say that bs comment makes you one of the bleeding heart socialists and/or cheap labour agenda.Next you’ll be trying to tell us that the country isn’t at record population levels mostly if not all as a result of immigration.No surprise that the pro immigration agenda would use dodgy figures to justify the continuation of it’s idea of making the indigenous population foreigners in our own country. :imp:

That comment although a bit of a cliché, (no more so than Bleeding Heart Liberal) is because some of us actually travel a bit, we talk to and more importantly listen to people from other Countries and as they are also workmates they talk freely. That’s why I know it’s not just a problem that effects the UK, as opposed to those who stay indoors and get their world news from the sensationalist Mail Online website.
Some of us actually use Euro Tunnel and have been stuck in the queues and have got immigrants off our trucks, I’ve no interest in helping them come to this Country and if you read other comments I’ve written you’ll know that on other posts you’d know that.

muckles:
When over 2000 people a night are trying to force their way into your country I think that is time to take it seriously and call in the army.

However the point I’ve been trying to make is that we are not the only Country in Europe giving these people asylum and other Countries are taking more including France, but especially Germany, but you won’t have it, you haven’t managed to prove it wrong so you’re now resorting on calling the figures into question, but are unable to come up with any of your own.

muckles:

Carryfast:

muckles:

the maoster:
Stop it Muckles, you’re making the poor fellas ears bleed as he frantically searches for the Wikepedia quote that will destroy your argument as comprehensively as you are ripping through his! :smiley:

These little Englanders

I think it would be fair to say that bs comment makes you one of the bleeding heart socialists and/or cheap labour agenda.Next you’ll be trying to tell us that the country isn’t at record population levels mostly if not all as a result of immigration.No surprise that the pro immigration agenda would use dodgy figures to justify the continuation of it’s idea of making the indigenous population foreigners in our own country. :imp:

That comment although a bit of a cliché, (no more so than Bleeding Heart Liberal) is because some of us actually travel a bit, we talk to and more importantly listen to people from other Countries and as they are also workmates they talk freely. That’s why I know it’s not just a problem that effects the UK, as opposed to those who stay indoors and get their world news from the sensationalist Mail Online website.
Some of us actually use Euro Tunnel and have been stuck in the queues and have got immigrants off our trucks, I’ve no interest in helping them come to this Country and if you read other comments I’ve written you’ll know that on other posts you’d know that.

muckles:
When over 2000 people a night are trying to force their way into your country I think that is time to take it seriously and call in the army.

However the point I’ve been trying to make is that we are not the only Country in Europe giving these people asylum and other Countries are taking more including France, but especially Germany, but you won’t have it, you haven’t managed to prove it wrong so you’re now resorting on calling the figures into question, but are unable to come up with any of your own.

Germany and France have much more room than us. You know most people don’t have a problem with immigrants, the problem is that too many of them come and refuse to become “British” they come and join the ghettos we have dotted around the country (thanks multiculturalism )

This affects everything, the nation starts to change into a fragmented mess, worse a lot of these people hate our country!

The other reason why ppl get the hump about them coming is this, we have enough ppl here who are sponging as it is and our “leaders” don’t protect our services from being milked.

I believe that all people are of equal worth, but not all ideas, thoughts actions or Cultures are. Our Culture was until the lefties got stuck in, one of the very best maybe even THE best. Is it wrong to try and conserve that?

Yes and those “Other countries are bigger” so they should take more , The problem we have is we cannot support the numbers that want to come here, why should we all end up suffering because of them? the NHS is seriously foobarred and will only get worse if it manages to exist for another decade,They need to be treating less people not more the country cannot afford this zb it has to stop , also they should be forced into applying to come here in advance, not just storming a tunnel or a port en mass, doing this should render them liable to arrest and instant deportation without exception and this includes on the french side, the frogs should be deporting them back to Italy and spain

But no the government would sooner just try and bs us all by saying our borders are safe,lol how stupid does that ponce camerscum think we really are our borders are anything but safe total bs by the British P.M

http://news.sky.com/story/1527788/calais-migrant-claims-right-to-travel-to-uk And as for those disillusioned parasites that think they have a right to come here, where’s the firing squad even though he does have a point, In future our forces do not back up the war warmongering USA , we keep our beaks out of the middle east, that also means no foreign aid as well, and Blair and Bush should face trial at the Hague for genocide/war crimes for that bombing and invasion of Iraq(Shock & awe) as that war was based on bs and lies(WMD’s and alleged capability of having the capability of striking the uk with ballistic missiles within 45mins) they put the lives of our service men & women in harms way for lies and look at what is the result, the people of iraq where better off with Saddam

Bach home:
Germany and France have much more room than us. You know most people don’t have a problem with immigrants, the problem is that too many of them come and refuse to become “British” they come and join the ghettos we have dotted around the country (thanks multiculturalism )

I agree they are bigger Countries, but immigrants tend not to go and live is isolated villages, unless they are British, but go to the various ghettos in the major cities and that causes the same problems we have.

But really that isn’t the point I was making, it was to challenge Carryfasts opinion that they were all coming here, because of our policies and wouldn’t claim asylum in France and that France wouldn’t give them asylum.

This is a European or more accurately a problem for the all the Worlds richer Countries and their populations seem to have the same concerns about who is coming into their Country.

muckles:

Carryfast:

muckles:

the maoster:
Stop it Muckles, you’re making the poor fellas ears bleed as he frantically searches for the Wikepedia quote that will destroy your argument as comprehensively as you are ripping through his! :smiley:

These little Englanders

I think it would be fair to say that bs comment makes you one of the bleeding heart socialists and/or cheap labour agenda.Next you’ll be trying to tell us that the country isn’t at record population levels mostly if not all as a result of immigration.No surprise that the pro immigration agenda would use dodgy figures to justify the continuation of it’s idea of making the indigenous population foreigners in our own country. :imp:

That comment although a bit of a cliché, (no more so than Bleeding Heart Liberal) is because some of us actually travel a bit, we talk to and more importantly listen to people from other Countries and as they are also workmates they talk freely. That’s why I know it’s not just a problem that effects the UK, as opposed to those who stay indoors and get their world news from the sensationalist Mail Online website.
Some of us actually use Euro Tunnel and have been stuck in the queues and have got immigrants off our trucks, I’ve no interest in helping them come to this Country and if you read other comments I’ve written you’ll know that on other posts you’d know that.

However the point I’ve been trying to make is that we are not the only Country in Europe giving these people asylum and other Countries are taking more including France, but especially Germany, but you won’t have it, you haven’t managed to prove it wrong so you’re now resorting on calling the figures into question, but are unable to come up with any of your own.

Ironically I’ve also spent plenty of time amongst different cultures both here and in Europe and in America.

All of which contributed to ditching my previous one time Socialist principles.In favour of nativism and nationalism.It’s you who is making the bs stereotypical point that anyone who opposes the UK’s open door immigration policy on the above basis is supposedly a ‘Little Englander’.The inference obviously being that it isn’t possible to be well travelled with plenty of educative contact with different cultures together with a totally opposite conclusion regards the question of large scale immigration movements and the artificial ethnic integrationist agenda which goes with it, resulting from that educative contact.

IE nationalist/nativist supposedly = thick,isolationist, redneck.While pro immigration,ethnic integrationist,supposedly = educated well travelled,open minded.At least in the eyes of the average Socialist and their cheap labour Con allies.On that basis you were the one who made the comment so if the cap fits wear it. :imp: :unamused:

muckles:

Bach home:
Germany and France have much more room than us. You know most people don’t have a problem with immigrants, the problem is that too many of them come and refuse to become “British” they come and join the ghettos we have dotted around the country (thanks multiculturalism )

I agree they are bigger Countries, but immigrants tend not to go and live is isolated villages, unless they are British, but go to the various ghettos in the major cities and that causes the same problems we have.

But really that isn’t the point I was making, it was to challenge Carryfasts opinion that they were all coming here, because of our policies and wouldn’t claim asylum in France and that France wouldn’t give them asylum.

This is a European or more accurately a problem for the all the Worlds richer Countries and their populations seem to have the same concerns about who is coming into their Country.

Firstly why should it be any surprise,to anyone except a Socialist or anyone who has been brainwashed by all the Socialist/pro immigration bs,that each ethnic/national group and culture prefers in general to keep to its own.Just as nature intended. :unamused:

The only ‘problem’ in this case being the ongoing refusal of the Socialist and cheap labour pro immigration agenda to admit that is is wrong and it is time to halt and reverse the historic and ongoing mistake of large scale immigration of foreign alien cultures into Europe.On that note I’m still waiting for confirmation of the OP’s obvious wishful thinking regarding the French and UK governments,supposedly having the slightest intentions,regarding the repatriation word.

As for the immigrants in question choosing to come here instead of France that seems obvious bearing in mind that none of them are trying to hide on trucks leaving England bound for France.Only vice versa.Nor do they have the slightest intentions or wish to stay in France.I’ll await your educated reasoning as to that simple fact. :unamused:

A security crew with full authority to use this …youtube.com/watch?v=nHHj8IavEjk

Carryfast:
.It’s you who is making the bs stereotypical point that anyone who opposes the UK’s open door immigration policy on the above basis is supposedly a ‘Little Englander’.

I think you are the one with the stereotypical remarks, as soon as anybody disagrees with you you accuse them of being liberal or socialists and in support of mass immirgration, nothing I’ve written on here could be linked with support for a mass immirgration policy,

The little englander comment, if you care to read it also has nothing to do with people who disagree with mass immigration, but the fact that some people cannot see further than their own shores to see that this problem isn’t unique to this Country.

Winseer:
The “problem” IS political. Without the politics staying exactly the same, the problem would not be able to continue unabated.

All it would take is for France, Germany, or Britain in particular (as Europe’s most powerful members) to change policy so that ILLEGAL immigrants (NOT “migrants” which de-criminalizes them) get treated as criminals should be treated. Rounded up and either incarcerated (no papers) or deported at cost to them (rich, with papers).

Britain need only change it’s taxation and benefits policies to achieve the same ends.

(1) If you were not born in Britain, then you cannot have a tax code

(2) WIthout a tax code, you get a temporary work permit/green card style authorization, and pay emergency taxes from commencing work until your kids born here have grown up to be 18, and they get a job. They will be entitled to tax allowances, etc. but by this point, the original immigrating generation will have paid their full way for such “entitlements”.

(3) No housing benefits or tax credits are payable to someone who merely has a work permit, rather than “indefinite leave to remain”.

(4) Actual “Asylum seekers” will be required to become apostates as part of the process of becoming a British citizen. They either want out of their old regime - or they don’t.

(5) Local employers not being able to catapult new arrivals into minimum waged “jobs”, will either have to raise wages to encourage someone not on benefits to move into the job, or pay enough so it’s worth someone already on benefits giving them up to do this job. No one even talks about the inherant danger to the public that putting someone who can barely speak English into a “job” that involves operating some possible hazardous working practice in full presence of the public at large. Slipped on a floor lately? - Floor might not have been cleaned with the correct chemicals. Got MRSA in a hospital of late? - Have you seen the way the no-speke-English cleaners wipe down bedside tables with the same cloth they’ve just wiped the sluice down with? :imp:

(6) Housing Benefits: Scrap them, and introduce a tax on unlet properties. Landlords will then be forced to let their properties at prices ordinary workers can afford to pay out of their wages only OR will be forced to dump their properties on the market - depressing prices for the type of property that was intended for mass letting only rather than the wider market. Such a “vacant property tax” would also cream some serious dosh off the moneylaunderers with their vacant yuppie flat moneyboxes they own in London in particular.

I predict very few landlords will stand still and say “■■■■■■■■, I’ll keep my overpriced let vacant, and pay the tax until the next government repeals this tax I voted Tory to prevent”…

The Tories only won power because they’ve learned to lie better than Blair could for Labour, and turned the tables back. They are still all damned liars, who just won’t ■■■■ off the correct group in society to heal the rest of society’s wounds.

If we don’t have any game-altering policies before long - it will take “new arrivals” mudering a few toffs and their families before the political pressure builds up once more for a fresh opportunity to get done what needs to be done here. Britain is NOT for free. We are NOT wealthy enough to work for relatively low pay, and then pay our taxes for people that do not deserve to receive any help from Britain at all - declaring their continued hate and contempt for Britain as they do. How many “decent” new arrivals have shopped the “criminal” elements among their “own communities” for example? There shouldn’t actually be any “own communities”. Once here, you get with the British programme, or you get out again. It’s enough to have let so many illegal migrants slip through the net already without so many of them being hostile to other Brits already here as well!
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You should get into politics m8. You’d get my vote. So damned true, every word of it.

Carryfast:
Firstly why should it be any surprise,to anyone except a Socialist or anyone who has been brainwashed by all the Socialist/pro immigration bs,that each ethnic/national group and culture prefers in general to keep to its own.Just as nature intended. :unamused:

Well might surprise some people, doesn’t surprise myself or Bach Home, we just commented on the fact that immirgrants will quite often head for their own communities, whether that is in Manchester or Marseille.

Carryfast:
The only ‘problem’ in this case being the ongoing refusal of the Socialist and cheap labour pro immigration agenda to admit that is is wrong and it is time to halt and reverse the historic and ongoing mistake of large scale immigration of foreign alien cultures into Europe.On that note I’m still waiting for confirmation of the OP’s obvious wishful thinking regarding the French and UK governments,supposedly having the slightest intentions,regarding the repatriation word.

At what point have I ever said I agree with an open and unrestricted immirgration policy?

It was announced, but whether it will happen is another question.

Carryfast:
As for the immigrants in question choosing to come here instead of France that seems obvious bearing in mind that none of them are trying to hide on trucks leaving England bound for France.Only vice versa.Nor do they have the slightest intentions or wish to stay in France.I’ll await your educated reasoning as to that simple fact. :unamused:

Maybe because of geography, most of them are coming from North Africa or the Middle East, so have to come through france to get here but they don’t have to travel through the UK to get asylum in France.

Let them all come - every man Jack of them and put all of them on St Kilda and leave them to get on with it. Tell them they can’t go home again until they have been there five years. Once the message gets through after the winter gales and snows begin then the remainder will give up.

i bet adolf wouldnt have had this problem.

cav551:
Let them all come - every man Jack of them and put all of them on St Kilda and leave them to get on with it. Tell them they can’t go home again until they have been there five years. Once the message gets through after the winter gales and snows begin then the remainder will give up.

Scotland wont be a dumping ground for England :stuck_out_tongue:

They should put 500,000 volts through the Chunnel fence in Calais.

cav551:
Let them all come - every man Jack of them and put all of them on St Kilda and leave them to get on with it. Tell them they can’t go home again until they have been there five years. Once the message gets through after the winter gales and snows begin then the remainder will give up.

I agree, in fact we should build HS2 up to Scottish border and let the Scottish People’s Socialist Republic feed them in their soon to be utopian land. lol

Bach home:

cav551:
Let them all come - every man Jack of them and put all of them on St Kilda and leave them to get on with it. Tell them they can’t go home again until they have been there five years. Once the message gets through after the winter gales and snows begin then the remainder will give up.

I agree, in fact we should build HS2 up to Scottish border and let the Scottish People’s Socialist Republic feed them in their soon to be utopian land. lol

No White Elephants welcome up here either, thankyou very much. Just think, you could live in Utopia too if it weren’t for the subject in question.

Malky80:

Bach home:

cav551:
Let them all come - every man Jack of them and put all of them on St Kilda and leave them to get on with it. Tell them they can’t go home again until they have been there five years. Once the message gets through after the winter gales and snows begin then the remainder will give up.

I agree, in fact we should build HS2 up to Scottish border and let the Scottish People’s Socialist Republic feed them in their soon to be utopian land. lol

No White Elephants welcome up here either, thankyou very much. Just think, you could live in Utopia too if it weren’t for the subject in question.

Utopia is but a dream :slight_smile:

muckles:

Carryfast:
.It’s you who is making the bs stereotypical point that anyone who opposes the UK’s open door immigration policy on the above basis is supposedly a ‘Little Englander’.

The little englander comment, if you care to read it also has nothing to do with people who disagree with mass immigration, but the fact that some people cannot see further than their own shores to see that this problem isn’t unique to this Country.

As I said it’s only a ‘problem’ when governments are allowed to make it one.On that note regardless of what the pro immigration establishment’s rigged figures say ‘our’ problem needs to be viewed on the basis of ‘our’ continuous and continuing historic open door immigration policy during the post WW2 period to date.In which we’ve taken in massively more than any other European country.

As for the question of ‘this’ problem no the immigrants obviously aren’t trying to get into Germany or France or anywhere else in Europe.They specifically want to get here.

In this case it seems obvious that as the OP has ( rightly ),but unfortunately,probably erroneously and only wishfully pointed out, we need to be seeing a joint UK and French policy of summary and immediate repatriation being applied.No surprise we don’t seem to be seeing any confirmation of any such change in policy. :unamused:

Which leaves the obvious question as to wether you would agree with such a change in immigration policy and if not why not.