Mabey some sense about Calais crisis

muckles:
So not much differnt in the UK then, most grass roots people don’t want them, but the politicians either want them or can’t stop them.
And regardless of what the French grass roots think the French still take more asylum seekers than the UK, so they not all coming here to claim asylum.

Do you really think that she would have the same support in the UK as she’s got in France.Bearing in mind that even UKIP supporters let alone a proper Nationalist party like the FN were denounced as ‘racists’ by the general electorate.On that note the idea that ‘the grass roots’ here are as anti immigration as in France is a massive over statement. :unamused:

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I’m thinking of emigrating to Africa cos the way things are going soon there will be more of them here than there :frowning:
Another solution is I ‘drive’ a landing craft for a living and I’m sure if paid enough the owner would charter it to the UK government to go to Calais, pick them up of the beach (no harbour dues) and deliver them to the Goodwin sands (no harbour dues again) at low tide, tide comes up, sands cover and soon no immigrants so problem solved. At standing room only I estimate we could get 2150 of 'em on the old car deck at a time.
Refreshments available at extra cost .

Did someone mention illegal immigrants ? The Aussie Government repatriated a Vietnamese family of illegals. A Vietnamese bloke who’s a community leader and a refugee (legal) him self said that these are simply queue jumpers who have the money to pay to get where they want to go, while families like his just had to wait their turn. What goes with this of course, is that those that wait their turn probably have to wait longer because of the queue jumpers.

Don’t see many many forming an orderly queue at Calais though …

peterm:
Did someone mention illegal immigrants ? The Aussie Government repatriated a Vietnamese family of illegals. A Vietnamese bloke who’s a community leader and a refugee (legal) him self said that these are simply queue jumpers who have the money to pay to get where they want to go, while families like his just had to wait their turn. What goes with this of course, is that those that wait their turn probably have to wait longer because of the queue jumpers.

Exactly what would any citizen of a major EU trading ‘partner’ be seeking ‘refuge’ from. :unamused:

The fact is the developed western economies are facing an invasion by opportunistic economic migrants from under developed countries in the knowledge that the cheap labour agenda within those economies will be only too keen to accept them.

On that note the issue of one economic migrant calling another a queue jumper seems like a joke.

Malky80:
Not sure if I’m legally allowed to have an opinion these days, but here goes. I think the sheepish way in which the major countries of the EU handle illegal immigration and (different subject) Islamic extremism makes us a complete laughing stock internationally. I wish our government would take the velvet gloves off and put the iron gauntlets on.

You can have an opinion, provided it’s the right one.
In the middle ages they pointed the witchcraft finger to silence dissent, now it’s the racist finger,
Thought will be on their agenda soon enough.

America is going down exactly the same road, wait and see if they elect another Obama type then citizens will in due course have their weapons (and their means of defence) removed, just as we have, then it begins in earnest.

chester1:
The English and French governments have agreed to work together to repatriate the migrants particularly to west Africa. To show them there is know point trying to get to get to the UK and rest of Europe

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
:grimacing: and that’s not a lot of highways agency! :laughing: do you believe that? :smiley:

I think 1984 spoke of “newspeak” meaning “new speak” as far as I recall.

Nowdays it’s “News Speak” though. Look at all the bull in papers like the Guardianistadore, Faily Wail, the Bum, and the Oligarch - Those that are ‘right’ are lamblasted to look like voices crying in the wilderness, and those that are wrong are pumping the same old ■■■■■■■■ on the front pages all the time.

“We’ll end up like Greece if we leave the EU” - No we won’t. It takes a declaration of WAR to trash all our trade routes. To trash them in peace time IS an act of war as well… the EU dare NOT tamper with our trade - should we ever decide to “run it from the outside”.

Even the USA concern about the UK leaving the EU is all about “weakening NATO” and therefore the USA’s own foothold around Europe. It’s got bugger-all to do with trade, who makes more money, or immigration.

I reckon we should close our borders to asulum seekers that are not actually on the front line being attacked by terrorists right now. That would mean giving a new home to the Kurds, whilst shutting out the “no papers” saharan lot who just don’t like the idea of having a serious uprising in their own countries.

Let the newly-arriving Kurds join the Army, and stick 'em on guard patrol at the tunnel entrance at folkstone… There might be a bit of fear in coming over here illegally from then on, what with troopers like this on the case…

Stop it Muckles, you’re making the poor fellas ears bleed as he frantically searches for the Wikepedia quote that will destroy your argument as comprehensively as you are ripping through his! :smiley:

the maoster:
Stop it Muckles, you’re making the poor fellas ears bleed as he frantically searches for the Wikepedia quote that will destroy your argument as comprehensively as you are ripping through his! :smiley:

Bit of fun really, but just trying to get the point across that it doesn’t only affect us, These little Englanders who can’t see further than their own border think it only poor old us who’ve got a problem. I travel throughout Europe and talk to people from many Countries, in many parts of Europe and they all seem to hold similar opinions about illegal immigrants and how well their politicians are dealing with the problem and they all say they have a problem in their Country.

I think about 31,000 people applied for asylum status in the UK last year, but what’s probably more concerning is how many get in and don’t apply.
They’ll never get benefits as they’re not “here” as far as any authorities are concerned, but we have no idea who they are, how many there are, where they are or what they’re doing.

The “problem” IS political. Without the politics staying exactly the same, the problem would not be able to continue unabated.

All it would take is for France, Germany, or Britain in particular (as Europe’s most powerful members) to change policy so that ILLEGAL immigrants (NOT “migrants” which de-criminalizes them) get treated as criminals should be treated. Rounded up and either incarcerated (no papers) or deported at cost to them (rich, with papers).

Britain need only change it’s taxation and benefits policies to achieve the same ends.

(1) If you were not born in Britain, then you cannot have a tax code

(2) WIthout a tax code, you get a temporary work permit/green card style authorization, and pay emergency taxes from commencing work until your kids born here have grown up to be 18, and they get a job. They will be entitled to tax allowances, etc. but by this point, the original immigrating generation will have paid their full way for such “entitlements”.

(3) No housing benefits or tax credits are payable to someone who merely has a work permit, rather than “indefinite leave to remain”.

(4) Actual “Asylum seekers” will be required to become apostates as part of the process of becoming a British citizen. They either want out of their old regime - or they don’t.

(5) Local employers not being able to catapult new arrivals into minimum waged “jobs”, will either have to raise wages to encourage someone not on benefits to move into the job, or pay enough so it’s worth someone already on benefits giving them up to do this job. No one even talks about the inherant danger to the public that putting someone who can barely speak English into a “job” that involves operating some possible hazardous working practice in full presence of the public at large. Slipped on a floor lately? - Floor might not have been cleaned with the correct chemicals. Got MRSA in a hospital of late? - Have you seen the way the no-speke-English cleaners wipe down bedside tables with the same cloth they’ve just wiped the sluice down with? :imp:

(6) Housing Benefits: Scrap them, and introduce a tax on unlet properties. Landlords will then be forced to let their properties at prices ordinary workers can afford to pay out of their wages only OR will be forced to dump their properties on the market - depressing prices for the type of property that was intended for mass letting only rather than the wider market. Such a “vacant property tax” would also cream some serious dosh off the moneylaunderers with their vacant yuppie flat moneyboxes they own in London in particular.

I predict very few landlords will stand still and say “■■■■■■■■, I’ll keep my overpriced let vacant, and pay the tax until the next government repeals this tax I voted Tory to prevent”…

The Tories only won power because they’ve learned to lie better than Blair could for Labour, and turned the tables back. They are still all damned liars, who just won’t ■■■■ off the correct group in society to heal the rest of society’s wounds.

If we don’t have any game-altering policies before long - it will take “new arrivals” mudering a few toffs and their families before the political pressure builds up once more for a fresh opportunity to get done what needs to be done here. Britain is NOT for free. We are NOT wealthy enough to work for relatively low pay, and then pay our taxes for people that do not deserve to receive any help from Britain at all - declaring their continued hate and contempt for Britain as they do. How many “decent” new arrivals have shopped the “criminal” elements among their “own communities” for example? There shouldn’t actually be any “own communities”. Once here, you get with the British programme, or you get out again. It’s enough to have let so many illegal migrants slip through the net already without so many of them being hostile to other Brits already here as well!

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You can change any law regards benefits you want but these ppl will still come because the toilets from where they come will still be worse than here even if the have no money once they arrive.

An interesting discussion on BBC breakfast this morning, apparently Britain is sixth in the table of countries that accept Asylem Seekers. One ‘seeker’ was interviewed in France and he wanted to come to Britain because he wouldn’t be sent back home to Egypt, the lass in the studio who deals with such matters said that was untrue and if he didn’t meet the criterior he could very easily be returning! She also said that she was disgusted at politicians stating that some could be terrorists though, she reckoned that they were all genuine folk fleeing oppression and needed help and talk of possible terrorists was rubbish.

Pete.

windrush:
An interesting discussion on BBC breakfast this morning, apparently Britain is sixth in the table of countries that accept Asylem Seekers. One ‘seeker’ was interviewed in France and he wanted to come to Britain because he wouldn’t be sent back home to Egypt, the lass in the studio who deals with such matters said that was untrue and if he didn’t meet the criterior he could very easily be returning! She also said that she was disgusted at politicians stating that some could be terrorists though, she reckoned that they were all genuine folk fleeing oppression and needed help and talk of possible terrorists was rubbish.

Pete.

How does she know? Do terrorists wear t shirts telling us? Stupid cow.

Anyone of those who manage to breach the fence and make it to the tunnel could have easily had some kind of bomb on them and ■■ the tunnel right up.

Just as easy to stick one under a truck btw.

This is the hidden scandal here, how a sensitive facility like that is so easily entered! Meanwhile we all have to be herded like cattle through airports, Africans many of who come from “radicalised” parts of the world can get into an internationally strategic place the tunnel easily every night with no fear of being shot.

muckles:

the maoster:
Stop it Muckles, you’re making the poor fellas ears bleed as he frantically searches for the Wikepedia quote that will destroy your argument as comprehensively as you are ripping through his! :smiley:

These little Englanders

I think it would be fair to say that bs comment makes you one of the bleeding heart socialists and/or cheap labour agenda.Next you’ll be trying to tell us that the country isn’t at record population levels mostly if not all as a result of immigration.No surprise that the pro immigration agenda would use dodgy figures to justify the continuation of it’s idea of making the indigenous population foreigners in our own country. :imp:

windrush:
An interesting discussion on BBC breakfast this morning, apparently Britain is sixth in the table of countries that accept Asylem Seekers. One ‘seeker’ was interviewed in France and he wanted to come to Britain because he wouldn’t be sent back home to Egypt, the lass in the studio who deals with such matters said that was untrue and if he didn’t meet the criterior he could very easily be returning! She also said that she was disgusted at politicians stating that some could be terrorists though, she reckoned that they were all genuine folk fleeing oppression and needed help and talk of possible terrorists was rubbish.

Pete.

The fact is this country has been subject to a historic ongoing open door immigration policy which makes a mockery of any bs ‘asylum seeker’ acceptance figures.Although no surprise that the bastion of so called unbiased reporting would be pushing yet more pro immigration bs.

windrush:
An interesting discussion on BBC breakfast this morning, apparently Britain is sixth in the table of countries that accept Asylem Seekers. One ‘seeker’ was interviewed in France and he wanted to come to Britain because he wouldn’t be sent back home to Egypt, the lass in the studio who deals with such matters said that was untrue and if he didn’t meet the criterior he could very easily be returning! She also said that she was disgusted at politicians stating that some could be terrorists though, she reckoned that they were all genuine folk fleeing oppression and needed help and talk of possible terrorists was rubbish.

Pete.

That’s typical of the BBC lefties always trying to push their propaganda when they are supposed to be independent , of course there is a real possibility that amongst these parasites there are terrorist cells trying to get into the uk undetected to commit acts of terror here, there is a distinct possibility that there are already some here, then there is disease control got knows what contagious diseases some of these parasites are carrying , The storming of ports and train terminals has to be stopped, by force if need be and borders need proper controls where every vehicle is checked for stowaways before they enter the uk

Winseer:
(4) Actual “Asylum seekers” will be required to become apostates as part of the process of becoming a British citizen. They either want out of their old regime - or they don’t.

Good idea but one which i doubt any government would succeed in making law , as for a start it would be against their human right ect,

I agree no mosques no being allowed to stop work several times a day to go and pray , none of the veil wearing burka’s ect in public, there kids must wear the school uniform. must speak have a good understanding of English and speak it fluently obey the laws and respect our culture and ways of life,
If they don’t like it they can always ■■■■ off back from where they came

And if any are convicted of a serious crime like ■■■ crimes they will be deported once served the sentence imposed no appeals or exceptions

tommy t:

Winseer:
(4) Actual “Asylum seekers” will be required to become apostates as part of the process of becoming a British citizen. They either want out of their old regime - or they don’t.

Good idea but one which i doubt any government would succeed in making law , as for a start it would be against their human right ect,
We can kick the unfit-for-purpose human rights act into touch at the same time as re-taking our own soveriegnty back from the EU.

I agree no mosques no being allowed to stop work several times a day to go and pray , none of the veil wearing burka’s ect in public, there kids must wear the school uniform. must speak have a good understanding of English and speak it fluently obey the laws and respect our culture and ways of life,
If they don’t like it they can always [zb] off back from where they came

It’s not cracking down on “freedom of religion” I’m advocating here - it’s just wrong that we encourage too many of the relgions that are coming over here to “join the community already here” that are very much seperated from the rest of us by an increasing divide as it is. If you’re running away from a brutal Islamic regime - then it should be child’s play to take on the fatwa that then comes upon those who become apostates in exile - and represents a good way for asylum seekers to “burn their bridges” rather than their papers - to boot. Proper integration involves at very least having a good command of English to be spoken in public at all times, along with inter-marrying the immigrant FEMALES to our massive pool of lonely hearts guys. If the Eastern Europeans can do this, then why not the “south of the med” bunch and all?

And if any are convicted of a serious crime like ■■■ crimes they will be deported once served the sentence imposed no appeals or exceptions

We’ve now got police afraid to bust such people for the serious crimes in the first place - alas…

Winseer:

tommy t:

Winseer:
(4) Actual “Asylum seekers” will be required to become apostates as part of the process of becoming a British citizen. They either want out of their old regime - or they don’t.

Good idea but one which i doubt any government would succeed in making law , as for a start it would be against their human right ect,
We can kick the unfit-for-purpose human rights act into touch at the same time as re-taking our own soveriegnty back from the EU.

I agree no mosques no being allowed to stop work several times a day to go and pray , none of the veil wearing burka’s ect in public, there kids must wear the school uniform. must speak have a good understanding of English and speak it fluently obey the laws and respect our culture and ways of life,
If they don’t like it they can always [zb] off back from where they came

It’s not cracking down on “freedom of religion” I’m advocating here - it’s just wrong that we encourage too many of the relgions that are coming over here to “join the community already here” that are very much seperated from the rest of us by an increasing divide as it is. If you’re running away from a brutal Islamic regime - then it should be child’s play to take on the fatwa that then comes upon those who become apostates in exile - and represents a good way for asylum seekers to “burn their bridges” rather than their papers - to boot. Proper integration involves at very least having a good command of English to be spoken in public at all times, along with inter-marrying the immigrant FEMALES to our massive pool of lonely hearts guys. If the Eastern Europeans can do this, then why not the “south of the med” bunch and all?

So you’re saying that the answer to the socialist/cheap labour open door immigration scam is to apply even more socialism in the form of more integration.Rather than say enough is enough close the doors and start thinking about the repatriation word regarding many of those that are here.

As for the ‘East Europeans’ can do the integration thing.Absolutely as they did on both Stalin’s and Tito’s orders.What could possibly go wrong.Oh wait. :unamused:

The fact is the road to integrationist hell is paved with casualties of socialist world must live as one good intentions. :bulb: :frowning:

IE segregation,being logically the same thing as nativism,is actually good in being the definition of multi culturalism just as nature intended.If you don’t believe that look what ethnic ‘integration’ is doing for America. :unamused: