muckles:
I would suggest most of Europe would like to have the border controls we still have.
The ‘border controls’ we have actually mean that anyone can arrive here and claim ‘asylum support’ benefits on the basis of if they can do whatever it takes to get in they can most likely stay.
Because we still actually have a border control, and there is still a chance of being detected, many of the illegal immigrants camped in Calais say they’ve tried time and time again to get across, but have been found and sent back. I’m not saying it’s great but the rest of Europe have no border at all and I’m sure many are regretting the fact.
And I’d be more worried about the ones that get here and don’t claim asylum, we have no idea how many and we have no idea who and where they are.
Why would anyone be stupid enough to believe an obvious load of Con party diversionary bs that says immigrants are being ‘sent back to France’.When we all know that our immigration policy is based on the idea that ‘if’/when they can do whatever it takes to get in then they can stay and claim all the applicable ‘asylum support’ benefits.
As for the terrorist threat it is obvious that the lack of any credible deportation regime regards the above just provides perfect cover for the terrorist sleepers to get in with them and/or possibly even part of them.On that note Abu Qatada for one example and possibly Abu Hamza from memory,although it seems that we just let him in anyway on a ‘student visa’ ,:shock: were actually known asylum applicants who were granted asylum here.
If you send an immigrant “to france”, then the french can just argue that "This person came from a country that does NOT threaten their life - therefore they’ll be sent straight back to where they cam e from under current EU legislation - England!
There needs to be a crackdown on student entry visas - If a student can’t pay upfront for their entire student fees for their entire anticipated stay - they don’t get to stay.
Evil8Beezle:
Well the ITV news has just been on, and tonight my region was SouthEast, and I live in Southampton? (Should be Meridian news)
And we had the Labour party trying to press the PM for compensation from the French over operation stack! WTF!!!
(Some Transport bod said £750,000 a day)
Personally, I can’t see the French paying us a bean, and don’t see why they should…
But instead of talking about HOW we need to fix the problem, the part in opposition just want to try and score points off the party in power.
And I wonder why I hate them all…
Labour seem to think there is some kind of streamlined anti-union policy throughout Europe. Well there isn’t.
The more militant type of industrial action has long since been outlawed in this country - but not so in socialist-friendly France.
Can anyone imagine what would happen if some Kent Weald farmers started spraying M20 traffic with effluent? - Or even set fire to a bunch of tyres outside on any public-access highway?
It is a fact that with our trade routes, be they British or Foreign truckers - are losing millions a day thanks to the Calais “industrial action” - which is the prime event occuring in Calais right now with the Illegal Immigrants storming the Tunnel as a convienient side show to the dithering authorities.
Winseer:
If you send an immigrant “to france”, then the french can just argue that "This person came from a country that does NOT threaten their life - therefore they’ll be sent straight back to where they cam e from under current EU legislation - England!
There needs to be a crackdown on student entry visas - If a student can’t pay upfront for their entire student fees for their entire anticipated stay - they don’t get to stay.
But that very same argument could used by us,when deporting them back from where they came, if they where found on board a truck that had entered the uk recently then that as far as I’m concerned is good enough evidence, all the more reason to send our troops in to search vehicles and if they created more secure holding places in close proximity to the ports ect, then lorries could be scanned/checked at those too, There are ways that every truck could be searched /scanned for illegals entering the uk without the sort of delays we have been seeing recently it boils down to money as always that and how seriously the security of this county is taken
If they did implement this level of security, it wouldn’t be long before they moved on, yes they may try the same at Dunkirk, that would be easier to secure in the same way , it would also stop some of them just getting into a lorry heading for the uk and trying their luck, as they would know that they would be found before they got to the uk, and be stuck in calais, with little chance of succeeding in their plans to get here, that would also impact on the people traffickers too
Carryfast:
Why would anyone be stupid enough to believe an obvious load of Con party diversionary bs that says immigrants are being ‘sent back to France’.When we all know that our immigration policy is based on the idea that ‘if’/when they can do whatever it takes to get in then they can stay and claim all the applicable ‘asylum support’ benefits.
As for the terrorist threat it is obvious that the lack of any credible deportation regime regards the above just provides perfect cover for the terrorist sleepers to get in with them and/or possibly even part of them.On that note Abu Qatada for one example and possibly Abu Hamza from memory,although it seems that we just let him in anyway on a ‘student visa’ ,:shock: were actually known asylum applicants who were granted asylum here.
If you send an immigrant “to france”, then the french can just argue that "This person came from a country that does NOT threaten their life - therefore they’ll be sent straight back to where they cam e from under current EU legislation - England!
There needs to be a crackdown on student entry visas - If a student can’t pay upfront for their entire student fees for their entire anticipated stay - they don’t get to stay.
This issue has nothing to do with ‘student visas’.It has everything to do with the navy being given orders to pick them up out of the Med and bringing them to Italy.Then the government pretending that it is supposedly stopping them getting here when they reach Calais.
When it seems obvious that deportation means doing whatever it takes to send them home.Not helping them get to Italy,or pretending that they aren’t being accepted with open arms, if/when they get trough the UKBA pretence of stopping them in France.
There really hasn’t been much effort to ascertain the country of origin of these people - has there?
“No papers no papers!” could involve incarceration until they knock their dinner over as to where they are really from - and prove it, by speaking the language of that country, rather than some other “economic downswing” country that we’ve already bloody well giving billions of aid to each and every year.
…but what happens when the country they claim to come from says, “no papers, not one of ours, we aren’t taking him”
Where do you send him then?
If Germany for instance adopted the same approach, would any English speakers be sent to the UK as their motherland?
del949:
…but what happens when the country they claim to come from says, “no papers, not one of ours, we aren’t taking him”
Where do you send him then?
If Germany for instance adopted the same approach, would any English speakers be sent to the UK as their motherland?
but as said we do often know which country they were in when they broke into the lorry that unknowingly brought them here, so deport them back to that country , the French then may deport them to Italy as it’s the Italians who have been giving them some kind of permits to allow them to travel through Europe,
Italy and Greece need to stop accepting them to
“No papers” does NOT prove that you are not from anywhere at all, legally.
If you speak no language on earth - or rather pretend “not to”, then you get locked up until you change your tune.
Once it IS ascertained where you are really from - you send them to that country. If THAT country then “rejects the person as not being one of theirs” - then you either give them a million, and let them settle in Britain - or you put them on a chain gang (not set up yet) or you kill them.
FFS The biggest reason of all that these people come to BRITAIN rather than somewhere in between - is WE ARE TOO SOFT ON CRIMINALS. Perhaps we are the most generous pro-criminal state on earth right now? - Perhaps it is the way we don’t discriminate between levels of wealth of the criminal that makes us attractive to foreign criminals?
If you are a rich criminal - you’re welcomed with open arms to do all the money laundering you want, and our authorities will protect you rather than harrass you whilst you are here.
If you are a middle class criminal - our lax laws towards dodgy business practices make Britain a great place to set up shop.
If you are a poor or working class criminal - we’ll give you benefits, access to benfit-topped-up work, and access to our public services - rather than just be nasty to you out of hand…
There was a time when “being a criminal” meant ‘getting arrested and going to Jail to protect the wider public’.
“How are the mighty fallen”.
…and to think we’ve chopped the head off our own king in this country in the past - for being a “public enemy”, or “wasting our treasury money on wars” or “persecuting one’s own citizens over that of foreign machinations”…
del949:
…but what happens when the country they claim to come from says, “no papers, not one of ours, we aren’t taking him”
Where do you send him then?
At that point he’s not here he’s there and no longer of any concern of ours.
While by your logic how do we sort the terrorists from the ‘asylum seekers’.
del949:
…but what happens when the country they claim to come from says, “no papers, not one of ours, we aren’t taking him”
Where do you send him then?
At that point he’s not here he’s there and no longer of any concern of ours.
While by your logic how do we sort the terrorists from the ‘asylum seekers’.
Who’s going pay his travels costs back to what ever ■■■■■ hole he’s come from?
The vast majority of people in this country don’t want these opportunistic parasites coming into our country, but the bleeding heart liberals of this world would see us take in vast swarms of them. While we have homelessness, poverty and a housing shortage, we shouldn’t be taking any of them. The folly of rescuing boat loads of these clowns and bringing them TO Europe instead of back whence they came is now coming home to roost. These islands already have too many people on them. NO MORE!
Malky80:
The vast majority of people in this country don’t want these opportunistic parasites coming into our country, but the bleeding heart liberals of this world would see us take in vast swarms of them. While we have homelessness, poverty and a housing shortage, we shouldn’t be taking any of them. The folly of rescuing boat loads of these clowns and bringing them TO Europe instead of back whence they came is now coming home to roost. These islands already have too many people on them. NO MORE!
Well we can see that this wasn’t exactly rocket science it would appear those over paid & under worked buffoons in governments had other ideas, i say ideas because it would be naive of us to think they are just dumb asses with absolutely no clue, no they had/have their own agendas and those didn’t include common sense or what the people wanted as usual, f**kwitts
Depending on how you look at i’m probably (selfishly) quite lucky, with the best will in the world i might have another 20 years left, i feel for those who know what’s happening is wrong and are young enough to have the majority of their lives left yet to live in the forthcoming hell.
This is for the quislings, the vichy, the yet to be dhimmis among us.
The shambles you…ie those who for some godforsaken reason elect the same shysters time after time…are helping create won’t affect me too much (but it will my children and grandchildren and for that i curse the traitors in govt and those who sided with them by voting for them), the futures you are voting for eagerly will arrive and you’ll have years to remember these times, these threads, and that last opportunity you had in 2015 to start to put and end to this madness and you blew it, you’ll blow it again in 2016 or 17 when you vote to stay in the EU, and you’ll blow it again in 2020 when you put the next bullingdon con man in place to lead you ever closer to their utopia, it might not be very utopian when you get there.
For the life of me i can’t understand it so someone please explain, if you elect a bunch of liars cheats and traitors to govern you once it could be classed as a grave error, elect the same bunch a second time and it’s stupidity of the highest order, however to continually elect the same identikit bunch of crooks time after time yet amazingly expect a different end result can only be diagnosed as lunacy.
You elected Lucifer three times for God’s sake and now you’ve actually given his son a majority, what were you thinking, now he’s got a majority he won’t be able to blame the continuing destruction and economic decline of our country over the next 5 years on anyone else, though it wouldn’t surprise me if EDL will be pleaded a mitigating circumstance, Farage accused of witchcraft, Griffin dragged in from the cold to be charged with anything that comes to mind, they might even dig up Enoch and put him in the dock too probably for telling the truth without flowering it up.
Just as Lucifer, like father like son, it’ll be anyone’s fault but theirs, and you’ll still believe what your told and think what your instructed to think and vote yet again for the least worse of the three stooges, it’s staggering.
Juddian:
Depending on how you look at i’m probably (selfishly) quite lucky, with the best will in the world i might have another 20 years left, i feel for those who know what’s happening is wrong and are young enough to have the majority of their lives left yet to live in the forthcoming hell.
This is for the quislings, the vichy, the yet to be dhimmis among us.
The shambles you…ie those who for some godforsaken reason elect the same shysters time after time…are helping create won’t affect me too much (but it will my children and grandchildren and for that i curse the traitors in govt and those who sided with them by voting for them), the futures you are voting for eagerly will arrive and you’ll have years to remember these times, these threads, and that last opportunity you had in 2015 to start to put and end to this madness and you blew it, you’ll blow it again in 2016 or 17 when you vote to stay in the EU, and you’ll blow it again in 2020 when you put the next bullingdon con man in place to lead you ever closer to their utopia, it might not be very utopian when you get there.
For the life of me i can’t understand it so someone please explain, if you elect a bunch of liars cheats and traitors to govern you once it could be classed as a grave error, elect the same bunch a second time and it’s stupidity of the highest order, however to continually elect the same identikit bunch of crooks time after time yet amazingly expect a different end result can only be diagnosed as lunacy.
You elected Lucifer three times for God’s sake and now you’ve actually given his son a majority, what were you thinking, now he’s got a majority he won’t be able to blame the continuing destruction and economic decline of our country over the next 5 years on anyone else, though it wouldn’t surprise me if EDL will be pleaded a mitigating circumstance, Farage accused of witchcraft, Griffin dragged in from the cold to be charged with anything that comes to mind, they might even dig up Enoch and put him in the dock too probably for telling the truth without flowering it up.
Just as Lucifer, like father like son, it’ll be anyone’s fault but theirs, and you’ll still believe what your told and think what your instructed to think and vote yet again for the least worse of the three stooges, it’s staggering.
del949:
…but what happens when the country they claim to come from says, “no papers, not one of ours, we aren’t taking him”
Where do you send him then?
At that point he’s not here he’s there and no longer of any concern of ours.
While by your logic how do we sort the terrorists from the ‘asylum seekers’.
Who’s going pay his travels costs back to what ever [zb] hole he’s come from?
So you think it’s cheaper for the navy to take them to Italy for onward transport to Calais where Cameron and his Socialist allies will spend more of our money by pretending to stop them.Then when they inevitably evade all the pretend ‘barriers’ he’ll welcome then in with open arms and provide them with the full range of ‘asylum support’ benefits or at best tax credits etc etc to subsidise their new found cheap labour job.
Thereby consigning another indigenous Brit family to remaining on the dole and/or reliant on food banks and housing benefits while trying to live on the same ever decreasing wage in an environment of ever increasing demand for housing.Not to mention being out voted by the ever increasing immigrant and socialist/cheap labour vote,when we get the chance to vote the scammers running the government out of office.
Malky80:
The vast majority of people in this country don’t want these opportunistic parasites coming into our country, but the bleeding heart liberals of this world would see us take in vast swarms of them. While we have homelessness, poverty and a housing shortage, we shouldn’t be taking any of them. The folly of rescuing boat loads of these clowns and bringing them TO Europe instead of back whence they came is now coming home to roost. These islands already have too many people on them. NO MORE!
Well we can see that this wasn’t exactly rocket science it would appear those over paid & under worked buffoons in governments had other ideas, i say ideas because it would be naive of us to think they are just dumb asses with absolutely no clue, no they had/have their own agendas and those didn’t include common sense or what the people wanted as usual, f**kwitts
That’s a contradiction.The bleeding heart Socialist and cheap labour agenda know exactly what they are doing and make perfect sense.Assuming it’s all about making a few people at the top very rich in the short term at the expense of wrecking the developed western economies in the longer term.
del949:
…but what happens when the country they claim to come from says, “no papers, not one of ours, we aren’t taking him”
Where do you send him then?
At that point he’s not here he’s there and no longer of any concern of ours.
While by your logic how do we sort the terrorists from the ‘asylum seekers’.
I posted about a possible “Compulsary Apostasy Programme” for all those “no background” types that come over here.
The Terrorists will be up for martyrdom rather than some obscure death of masses such as has already occured in the meditereannean of late.
If they can only sneak into this country as an apostate on the other hand - they are likely to be under fatwa themselves.
I hear that “Jihadi John” seems to have had a big falling out with the wider ISIS movement?
Apostasy will divide the Islamist factions. It should be made common entry policy to this, and any other country that worries about “Terrorists” hiding among the otherwise “Muslim intake”…
“Freedom of Religion” is “Freedom of Terrorist infiltration” in the 21st Century world. Since most people are irreligious this country as it is - we might as well stop trying to uphold any pretence that “Freedom of Religion” should be maintained in the modern world - period. The concept is obsolete.
“Consenting Adults in private” springs to mind as a more obvious place to set “incoming foreign religions”.
Truckulent:
The cause is a much too easy time of it once they are here, compared to their own country.
So are you suggesting we make this Country as bad as the Countries they’ve come from to discourage them?
I’m suggesting we face the fact that we do not have unlimited space and money to support large numbers of migrants. If we continue to offer a much better standard of living to anyone who can smuggle themselves in here, regardless of their actual position, we will without a doubt become the target for everyone that perceives the standard of living is better here.
If we allow it to continue, where does it end?
Perhaps those that support these people coming here, will give their houses up for the migrants first…?
were actually known asylum applicants who were granted asylum here.
(Should be Meridian news)
