Carryfast:
tommy t:
We should also pull our navy from this rescue mission, in the med, or start returning them to the shores they departed from , if not known then make an educated guess
The obvious question is why wasn’t the navy given those orders from day 1 and where is the confirmation of the change in those orders now since Cameron’s supposed ‘change’ in policy regards the repatriation question.
Because ScamerCon is a fool and liar (other derogatory remarks are available) to put it mildly a typical self servative , They did stop rescuing them some time ago but the pro immigration morons started whining, one example http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/migrant-boat-disaster-countries-across-europe-accused-of-closing-their-eyes-to-deaths-10188440.html
To me there are two ways of dealing with this problem,
1, Put measures into place to stop the flow, includes military action & lethal force where needed
2, change laws so that no illegal immigrant or asylum seeker has any rights or entitlement to benefits or free NHS health care , so they get absolutely nothing from the state, and if they become a problem then kick them out as they would not have any rights to remain in this country either, i would vote for the 1st option
Carryfast:
muckles:
I would suggest most of Europe would like to have the border controls we still have.
The ‘border controls’ we have actually mean that anyone can arrive here and claim ‘asylum support’ benefits on the basis of if they can do whatever it takes to get in they can most likely stay. 
Because we still actually have a border control, and there is still a chance of being detected, many of the illegal immigrants camped in Calais say they’ve tried time and time again to get across, but have been found and sent back. I’m not saying it’s great but the rest of Europe have no border at all and I’m sure many are regretting the fact.
And I’d be more worried about the ones that get here and don’t claim asylum, we have no idea how many and we have no idea who and where they are.
eagerbeaver:
Its a matter of opinion how effective our borer control is. Plenty of drugs and counterfeit products seem to get through no problem as well as illegal immigrants.
It sure ain’t perfect, but it’s a dam site better than the non existent border control round the rest of Europe.
eagerbeaver:
As for blowing the tunnel up, we seemed to manage ok before it was built. In the mean time, as tommyt said, simply send soldiers over to Calais.
But they’d just look for other ways, last year the illegal immigrants seemed to be targeting the port of Calais, (remeber the pictures of them storming the port) I use the tunnel regularly and hardly ever saw them unless there was a queue of trucks, but now they are going for the tunnel as that seen as an easier target since they put up the security fence round the port.
muckles:
Carryfast:
muckles:
I would suggest most of Europe would like to have the border controls we still have.
The ‘border controls’ we have actually mean that anyone can arrive here and claim ‘asylum support’ benefits on the basis of if they can do whatever it takes to get in they can most likely stay.
Because we still actually have a border control, and there is still a chance of being detected, many of the illegal immigrants camped in Calais say they’ve tried time and time again to get across, but have been found and sent back. I’m not saying it’s great but the rest of Europe have no border at all and I’m sure many are regretting the fact.
And I’d be more worried about the ones that get here and don’t claim asylum, we have no idea how many and we have no idea who and where they are.
Even some of those who claim asylum we frequently know nothing about , the potential for any of them being terrorists or already radicalised (ticking time bombs) is a lot greater than most would like to admit ,is surely a good enough reason to put measures in place deemed necessary to prevent them getting in, instead of ■■■■■ footing around the problem
Lol- I have just noticed a typo in my post. " Borer control ".
That doesn’t work either. Carryfast got through no problem.
muckles:
eagerbeaver:
Its a matter of opinion how effective our borer control is. Plenty of drugs and counterfeit products seem to get through no problem as well as illegal immigrants.
It sure ain’t perfect, but it’s a dam site better than the non existent border control round the rest of Europe.
eagerbeaver:
As for blowing the tunnel up, we seemed to manage ok before it was built. In the mean time, as tommyt said, simply send soldiers over to Calais.
But they’d just look for other ways, last year the illegal immigrants seemed to be targeting the port of Calais, (remeber the pictures of them storming the port) I use the tunnel regularly and hardly ever saw them unless there was a queue of trucks, but now they are going for the tunnel as that seen as an easier target since they put up the security fence round the port.
you forget some got a free shower by the ferry crew
I don’t know why some of you bother beating around the bush, just say you would prefer it if we just shot them all, let’s face it that’s what you want isn’t it? It’s what modern societies do lack these days, the stomach to commit wholesale slaughter on defenceless people that are trying to find a better life.
But let someone kill a lion in Africa & suddenly we get all conservationist, all wailing & knashing of teeth about one animal. It’s pretty pathetic really.
BillyHunt:
I don’t know why some of you bother beating around the bush, just say you would prefer it if we just shot them all, let’s face it that’s what you want isn’t it? It’s what modern societies do lack these days, the stomach to commit wholesale slaughter on defenceless people that are trying to find a better life.
But let someone kill a lion in Africa & suddenly we get all conservationist, all wailing & knashing of teeth about one animal. It’s pretty pathetic really.
no most people want this invasion by these parasites stopped, a last resort would be shooting them, but if the safety of our troops was threatened they would have the right to defend their selves, Also what do you think is going to happen or will happen if we get seriously over run with them do you think the people will just except this, the witch hunts will begin that’s what will happen, they will wish they had not bothered coming here , a form of ethnic cleansing
If you think we would consider putting our troops, and the French would consider letting us, then you have absolutely no idea of how governments work. Immigrants, legal or otherwise, have been coming, and leaving, these shores for many many years. So far no ethnic cleansing has taken place, nor will it, despite the best efforts of comics like the daily fail, express, sun & star trying, and in your case succeeding, in trying to whip up anti immigration feelings in the feeble minded minority.
eagerbeaver:
The French security agencies could not give a flying f*ck about us, so in answer to your question, I would expect our armed forces would be a tad more diligent.
The inconvenient fact is ‘our armed forces’ are actually busy helping the immigrants to get here by bringing them to Italy instead of taking them back to North Africa. 
While the French ones are tied by Hollande’s equally pro immigration policy.Nothing can change until we actually get a reversal in immigration policy which puts summary,immediate, deportation/repatriation,without right of appeal,on the table.Cameron and Hollande obviously lying in that regard to divert attention from their real same old pro immigration agenda.
While as I’ve said the French forces would/will be only too happy to take the required action as soon as someone like Le Pen has the power to give them the required orders.In which case you’ll soon see that ‘our’ problem was/is all about our own bleeding heart socialist and Con cheap labour pro immigration agenda and not the average indigenous French voter.Let alone the French security forces.Who trust me are anything but the soft PC bunch that ours are ‘if’/when they are told to act.Which won’t be anytime soon under Hollande’s bleeding heart socialist administration.
muckles:
Carryfast:
muckles:
I would suggest most of Europe would like to have the border controls we still have.
The ‘border controls’ we have actually mean that anyone can arrive here and claim ‘asylum support’ benefits on the basis of if they can do whatever it takes to get in they can most likely stay.
Because we still actually have a border control, and there is still a chance of being detected, many of the illegal immigrants camped in Calais say they’ve tried time and time again to get across, but have been found and sent back. I’m not saying it’s great but the rest of Europe have no border at all and I’m sure many are regretting the fact.
And I’d be more worried about the ones that get here and don’t claim asylum, we have no idea how many and we have no idea who and where they are.
Why would anyone be stupid enough to believe an obvious load of Con party diversionary bs that says immigrants are being ‘sent back to France’.When we all know that our immigration policy is based on the idea that ‘if’/when they can do whatever it takes to get in then they can stay and claim all the applicable ‘asylum support’ benefits.
As for the terrorist threat it is obvious that the lack of any credible deportation regime regards the above just provides perfect cover for the terrorist sleepers to get in with them and/or possibly even part of them.On that note Abu Qatada for one example and possibly Abu Hamza from memory,although it seems that we just let him in anyway on a ‘student visa’ ,:shock: 
were actually known asylum applicants who were granted asylum here.
We let him off the hook though.
eagerbeaver:
We let him off the hook though.
Awful, just awful…
But I’m sure he would applaud your efforts! 
(Nope, that’s no better… )
Evil8Beezle:
eagerbeaver:
We let him off the hook though.
Awful, just awful…
But I’m sure he would applaud your efforts!
(Nope, that’s no better… )
Some say the Americans were going to plug him into a light fitting and light him up but the Brits said it would infringe his human lights sorry rights. 
I would like to agree with the last post but as this problem has been going on 15 years or more and the French have done nothing.I don’t see anything changing and clinging to le pen who I don’t think the French want in is like farrage says the rite thing on some issues but can’t be trusted on the whole. It’s a shame good debate and some good ideas government fed TV reporting to keep the tourists happy any other time of year wouldn’t get as mutch airtime or collum inches…
Carryfast:
muckles:
Carryfast:
muckles:
I would suggest most of Europe would like to have the border controls we still have.
The ‘border controls’ we have actually mean that anyone can arrive here and claim ‘asylum support’ benefits on the basis of if they can do whatever it takes to get in they can most likely stay.
Because we still actually have a border control, and there is still a chance of being detected, many of the illegal immigrants camped in Calais say they’ve tried time and time again to get across, but have been found and sent back. I’m not saying it’s great but the rest of Europe have no border at all and I’m sure many are regretting the fact.
And I’d be more worried about the ones that get here and don’t claim asylum, we have no idea how many and we have no idea who and where they are.
Why would anyone be stupid enough to believe an obvious load of Con party diversionary bs that says immigrants are being ‘sent back to France’.
Because when our Border Agency take them off a truck in Calais they hand them to the French Police who remove them from the port or terminal, so they don’t make it to the UK at that attempt.
Well judging by the travel info on eurotunnel site, it looks like they are at it again tonight
karl2878:
I would like to agree with the last post but as this problem has been going on 15 years or more and the French have done nothing.I don’t see anything changing and clinging to le pen who I don’t think the French want in is like farrage says the rite thing on some issues but can’t be trusted on the whole.
The only reason that Farage can’t be trusted is because he caves in too easily to criticism by the usual pro immigration suspects and he is still a believer in the global free market agenda,unlike Le Pen.On every other policy that matters UKIP are way better than all the global warmist,federalist,Con/Socialist PC alliance that has been allowed to take over this country because the general public are too gullible to know when they are being conned.
As for the idea that the French ‘don’t want’ the FN that would be a massive understatement.With whatever support the Socialist/UMP alliance has obviously being made up by the immigrant vote and what remains of the gullible Socialist vote.
muckles:
Carryfast:
Why would anyone be stupid enough to believe an obvious load of Con party diversionary bs that says immigrants are being ‘sent back to France’.
Because when our Border Agency take them off a truck in Calais they hand them to the French Police who remove them from the port or terminal, so they don’t make it to the UK at that attempt.
The point is they keep trying because they only need o get lucky once.At which point Cameron will welcome them in with open arms and shower them with ‘asylum support benefits’.While putting on the big pretence at Calais obviously just helps the snivelling zb’s credibility amongst his small anti immigration faction party faithful.
Well the ITV news has just been on, and tonight my region was SouthEast, and I live in Southampton? 
(Should be Meridian news)
And we had the Labour party trying to press the PM for compensation from the French over operation stack! WTF!!!
(Some Transport bod said £750,000 a day)
Personally, I can’t see the French paying us a bean, and don’t see why they should…
But instead of talking about HOW we need to fix the problem, the part in opposition just want to try and score points off the party in power.
And I wonder why I hate them all…