Dieseldoforme:
FarnboroughBoy11:
I bet if it turns out to be the fault of the mini bus and its
passengers then nothing will be released.Then we will activate the Freedom of Information Act.
I think that would be in every truck driver’s interests to do so. 
Dieseldoforme:
130simon:
. . . the actual verdict at the inquest is never reported.This may be different - there is a tremendous amount of local and
national interest in this case because so many people were involved.Truck Drivers may also be thinking Holy Crap, what happened there?
That could have been me and a teenager died in a second.
^ This.
albion1971:
FarnboroughBoy11:
Dieseldoforme:
The Highways Agency have advised that they are no longer
involved with this incident.It is a “Police Led Investigation” and will remain under
the jurisdiction of the Major Collision Enquiry Team at
West Yorkshire Police Headquarters in Wakefield.W.Y. Police have already been sent a written request for
any publicly available information about the collision.I bet if it turns out to be the fault of the mini bus and its passengers then nothing will be released.
Please tell me why you come to that conclusion?
At present nobody on here knows exactly what happened or who is to blame but normally when a vehicle is hit from behind it is not that vehicle to blame so just curious why you think the opposite.
Perhaps FB11 and others amongst us that actually do the job (as opposed to amateur sleuths who merely carp and moan about those that do the job daily) suspect that this tragic event is maybe not as clear cut as you so obviously wish it to be. Anyone with an ounce of experience can see that by merely looking at the crash photo’s and looking at the road layout will hang fire before apportioning blame as we all suspect that what may have happened is a very slow moving heavily laden mini bus making a fatal error of judgement.
I’m so so sorry that this might not neatly fall into your suspicions Miss Marple, but hey, I’ve no doubt another fatal crash will be along shortly for you climb back on your box for.
Dieseldoforme:
130simon:
. . . the actual verdict at the inquest is never reported.This may be different - there is a tremendous amount of local and
national interest in this case because so many people were involved.
Well I certainly hope so as the people were from my local area, also I suppose it might be a while before a verdict is reached as I know there was an inquest opened and adjourned for the coach that crashed in Surrey coming back to Liverpool from Bestival last September but not heard owt more about that one.
albion1971:
FarnboroughBoy11:
Dieseldoforme:
The Highways Agency have advised that they are no longer
involved with this incident.It is a “Police Led Investigation” and will remain under
the jurisdiction of the Major Collision Enquiry Team at
West Yorkshire Police Headquarters in Wakefield.W.Y. Police have already been sent a written request for
any publicly available information about the collision.I bet if it turns out to be the fault of the mini bus and its passengers then nothing will be released.
Please tell me why you come to that conclusion?
At present nobody on here knows exactly what happened or who is to blame but normally when a vehicle is hit from behind it is not that vehicle to blame so just curious why you think the opposite.
Because its an absolute tragedy what has happened and the press and people “love” a good tragedy when someone else is to blame.
For an example… In the scenario that everyone on board the mini bus was messing around without seat belts on jumping about ■■■■■■ up and one of them fell on the driver resulting in the accident then i personally don’t think the police would release the verdict out of respect for the families as it would tarnish the “poor tragic scenes” that the public currently sees in a menacing killer lorry driver.
FarnboroughBoy11:
albion1971:
FarnboroughBoy11:
Dieseldoforme:
The Highways Agency have advised that they are no longer
involved with this incident.It is a “Police Led Investigation” and will remain under
the jurisdiction of the Major Collision Enquiry Team at
West Yorkshire Police Headquarters in Wakefield.W.Y. Police have already been sent a written request for
any publicly available information about the collision.I bet if it turns out to be the fault of the mini bus and its passengers then nothing will be released.
Please tell me why you come to that conclusion?
At present nobody on here knows exactly what happened or who is to blame but normally when a vehicle is hit from behind it is not that vehicle to blame so just curious why you think the opposite.Because its an absolute tragedy what has happened and the press and people “love” a good tragedy when someone else is to blame.
For an example… In the scenario that everyone on board the mini bus was messing around without seat belts on jumping about ■■■■■■ up and one of them fell on the driver resulting in the accident then i personally don’t think the police would release the verdict out of respect for the families as it would tarnish the “poor tragic scenes” that the public currently sees in a menacing killer lorry driver.
Well, since somebody died, there will be an inquest, which will release a verdict, thats not down to the police or the press, the police along with any witnesses and experts will have to produce evidence and statements, once a verdict is reached it will be made available to any one who wants to know the outcome.
nickyboy:
Oh and i believe the minibus can seat around 22 people, just have a look on Ebay for the for sale.
madmossy:
Ahh, a quick search on the number plate reveals it’s a 24 seat minibus.
I am not doubting either of you but which website does one need to go to to actually see that info. I did try looking on Ebay but I am totally confused when it comes to finding info on sales that took place some time ago.
The only website I could find anything on CRZ 4816 was the directgov one taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPo … ution=e1s2
(the one I looked at originally) where the information is very limited.
Hower it does list CRZ 4816’s colour as White whereas we can see from the crash pictures that CRZ 4816 appears to be definitely Silver in the company’s livery,
Just as a check on whether White and Silver are regarded as the same by the Directgov site I checked another of the vehicles in the Prestige fleet.
I chose minibus EU55 OXP as that is shown on those fleet pictures. Now that one is registered as Silver.
Why are these minibuses registered in different colours when they are sprayed in the same company livery?
Are they not supposed to notify the authorities of a change in colours when they take on a new vehicle?
weeto:
FarnboroughBoy11:
albion1971:
FarnboroughBoy11:
Dieseldoforme:
The Highways Agency have advised that they are no longer
involved with this incident.It is a “Police Led Investigation” and will remain under
the jurisdiction of the Major Collision Enquiry Team at
West Yorkshire Police Headquarters in Wakefield.W.Y. Police have already been sent a written request for
any publicly available information about the collision.I bet if it turns out to be the fault of the mini bus and its passengers then nothing will be released.
Please tell me why you come to that conclusion?
At present nobody on here knows exactly what happened or who is to blame but normally when a vehicle is hit from behind it is not that vehicle to blame so just curious why you think the opposite.Because its an absolute tragedy what has happened and the press and people “love” a good tragedy when someone else is to blame.
For an example… In the scenario that everyone on board the mini bus was messing around without seat belts on jumping about ■■■■■■ up and one of them fell on the driver resulting in the accident then i personally don’t think the police would release the verdict out of respect for the families as it would tarnish the “poor tragic scenes” that the public currently sees in a menacing killer lorry driver.
Well, since somebody died, there will be an inquest, which will release a verdict, thats not down to the police or the press, the police along with any witnesses and experts will have to produce evidence and statements, once a verdict is reached it will be made available to any one who wants to know the outcome.
Of course it won’t!!
Do you think they release the full facts of an investigation to the public when the police ■■■■ up in a pursuit and kill innocent motorists??
All I’m saying is hypothetically:
“59 year old divorced truck driver kills 18 year old and injures 17 more in horror crash”
Looks better than,
“Innocent truck driver cleared of deaths after investigation found that 17 drunk women standing up on a mini bus singing karaoke caused mini bus to crash killing one of their own”
Which one is most likely to be released?
Because the jury is already out across the nation,
Why bother to put it right (if the mini bus was at fault) when they could just let it fizzle out and no one could hear anymore about it.
This is all hypothetical by the way.
Just the sort of answers I expected.An absolute load of waffle.If you are going to reply at least give a decent explanation of your thoughts and make them sound feasible.
I have been doing “the job” for probably as long if not longer than you but you obviously know different? Strange people.
This is a point of interest only.
Apparantly it is unconnected to the Hen Party incident.
"West Yorkshire Police Warn Minibus Drivers to Check Licences.
Wednesday, 8th May, 2013
Road Policing Officers are warning minibus drivers to make sure they have the correct licences before driving them. This comes after five minibuses were seized over the weekend and the drivers fined after being stopped by Police. The drivers of the minibuses were all taking workers to and from factories and Officers found that they didn’t have the relevant licences to allow them to drive the minibuses and to charge the passengers for the journeys.
Inspector Dave Peach said: "If you are planning to drive a minibus it is important to make sure you have the correct licence - it must have a D1 category. You can check this by looking at the back of your licence where the categories of vehicles you can drive are listed. If you passed your test before 1997 you will automatically be covered to drive mini buses but not for hire or reward. You must take a separate D1 category test if you wish to drive a minibus carrying fare paying passengers. If you passed after 1997 you must take a separate D1 test in order to drive a minibus at all.
If you intend to receive payment for transporting passengers in a minibus you must also ensure you have an Operator’s Licence - this is obtained through the Traffic Commissioner.
It is only when you have the D1 category on your licence and the Operator’s Licence that you are legally covered to take paying passengers. Driving without the correct licences also makes your insurance void."
Anyone caught driving minibuses without the correct licences faces a fixed penalty fine of up to £2500 and the possible seizure of their vehicle for no insurance."
Hiya…so a clamp down on minibus licences, looks like someone may have been driving on the wrong licence.
mind you that would’nt caurse a crash…just not leagal. at one time as long as you was over 21, away you went.
John
3300John:
Hiya…so a clamp down on minibus licences, looks like someone may have been driving on the wrong licence.
mind you that would’nt caurse a crash…just not leagal. at one time as long as you was over 21, away you went.
John
Yes John it is amazing how many people know very little about their driving licenses.Another problem is the number of drivers that cannot see properly especially at night.
Also before about 1990 I think, you could drive a full size coach on a car license as long as you were not carrying fare paying passengers!
That is what I was getting at in my earlier posts.
If the driver was just relying on his D1 entitlements from passing his driving test pre-1997 then would it allow him to carry 20 or so passengers?
If you look at the link that kerbdog gave us (bottom of page 8 on this thread)
lcts.org.uk/d1licence.htm
It says:
*A minibus is defined as a vehicle constructed or adapted to carry between 6 & 16 passengers.
Of course the driver involved may well be a fully qualified coach driver. Let us hope this is this case.
Hiya…i know someone who’s son has a full coach licence(i mean double deck… bus… coach… mini bus)
but cannot drive a 4 ton gross motorhome, because he did’nt take a test before 1997.mad or what.
i used to drive a stockcar transporter(coach chopped up)as long as it did,nt carry more than 12 none paying
passanger’s it was OK. now i can’t even drive a empty coach although i’ve had a hgv class 1 since 1972.
John
Thursday 9th May 2013:
Police are cracking down on motorists whose reckless driving is putting
lives at risk on one of the busiest motorways.
Police in West Yorkshire are starting a campaign to cut the amount of
deaths in accidents on the M62.
The campaign follows the death last month of trainee nurse
Bethany Jones in the hen party crash near Pontefract.
Over the last five years there have been over 900 accidents on the M62
in West Yorkshire. That’s 15 per month and eleven of these were fatal.
Police are increasing patrols to cut down on driving
habits which lead to serious accidents.
Lorry drivers in particular have come in for strong criticism for tail-gating.
Police are increasing patrols
Did we not used to have “Traffic cops” who only did motorway patrols.
Sorry, I have just woken up from a dream.
I’m all for a better police presence on the motorways, maybe then those annoying audi and bmw tailgaters would **** off!
madmossy:
I’m all for a better police presence on the motorways, maybe then those annoying audi and bmw tailgaters would **** off!
Lorry drivers in particular have come in for strong criticism for tail-gating
you obviously missed this in the post 2 up from yours
Minibus driver now arrested.
One for csi trucknet and trainee Rumpoles the minibus driver a 62 year old man from Bradford has been arrested on suspicion of death by dangerous driving. That will disappoint some on this forum who had the lorry driver hung drawn and quartered