albion1971:
Well you certainly have some different ideas however at least you have an opinion not like some!
Again I agree with some of what you say but not all.I have never liked speed limiters on trucks but the problem is usually the driver and not the limiter
One thing I do not really understand is when you say to let drivers loose at speed to see if they are capable of anticipation and separation distance.
I can tell you if they cannot make that judgement at lower speeds it will only get worse as speeds increase.
Exactly which is why I’m saying that the idea of ‘reducing’ speeds,( which has actually been a large part of the government’s so called ‘road safety’ programme based entirely on that logic ),to create an artificial false sense of security/‘safety’,by making allowances for those who’s perception and awareness skills aren’t good enough,is just resulting in a situation whereby you’re trying to deal with the symptoms not the cause with a result on driving standards to prove it.IE in reality it’s just making the problem worse by putting drivers on the road who in many cases are below standard in regards to those important aspects of driving.
What I’m saying is that you’d have less risk and more safety with higher speeds and better drivers than continously lowering speeds in a vain attempt to make allowances for worse drivers.The latter of those two options seeming to be where we are now in general driving standards in too many cases.While the former is proved every time that a police motorway patrol car driver needs to make a high speed run for whatever reason. 
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West Yorkshire Police announced today (Thurs 2/5/13) that they have
been asked by the families of the young ladies who were injured in last
Friday’s road traffic collision to correct some misinformation in the media
about their medical conditions.
Of the nineteen who were originally taken to hospital, eight have now
been discharged.
This leaves eleven still in hospital - all are reported as suffering from
non life threatening injuries and are in a stable condition. They are
receiving excellent treatment by hospital staff.
Some will require further surgery this week.
Some of these women have a long road to recovery but reports that
they are paralysed or will be unable to look after themselves in the
future have thankfully been exaggerated.
Further speculation as to their conditions will upset their families and
friends and is not at all helpful.
It is worth noting that no speculation or exaggeration about medical
conditions have been mentioned on this Truck Net UK website.
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There has been a lot of interest in this incident,
with over 12,700 hits on this thread alone.
There has also been plenty of speculation about
what happened leading up to the collision.
As a result, West Yorkshire Police and The
Highways Agency have been invited to release
any relivant information that they can.
Any information released will, with their
permission, be circulated to you on this thread.
Dieseldoforme:
There has been a lot of interest in this incident,
with over 12,700 hits on this thread alone.
Just like the infamous Mandy thread.
There must be something the two incidents have in common, but I just can’t think what it is… oh yeah, they both involved attractive young ladies.
Dieseldoforme:
There has been a lot of interest in this incident,
with over 12,700 hits on this thread alone.
There has also been plenty of speculation about
what happened leading up to the collision.
As a result, West Yorkshire Police and The
Highways Agency have been invited to release
any relivant information that they can.
Any information released will, with their
permission, be circulated to you on this thread.
That’s good news, I hope they do.
Contraflow:
There must be something the two incidents have in common,
but I just can’t think what it is… oh yeah,
they both involved attractive young ladies.
That’s outrageous !
I’d still be upset if it involved Mark Dixon. (maybe !)
BBC saying the driver is from St Helens. Don’t farmfoods have a depot at Warrington?
mrx:
BBC saying the driver is from St Helens.
Don’t farmfoods have a depot at Warrington?
Yes, he is from St. Helens although initial reports said he was local.
He reportedly loaded at a third party depot in Warrington on
the same morning.
It is assumed, rightly or wrongly, that because he was Westbound,
he had already tipped or partially tipped.
When this accident happened just in front of me, and all the traffic stopped. After about 1 /12 hours sat in traffic about 1/2 mile from the actual accident everyone started to get out of there cars.
There was 3 women behind me who Left there car and walked right up to the accident.
When they came back down I asked them what had happened, and got talking to them. I noticed that they had closed both sides off the motorway. 1 of them then decided to climb over the central reservation and go over to the hard shoulder of the other carriageway. Wilst the silly cow was over there they opened the other side of the motorway up and she got stuck there for about 20 minutes until they closed it again. Her mates were telling her to leg it back over.
I told her not to run back over, cos if something was to swerve it would have taked the lot of use out.
When she came back over then, I told her that she could have caused an even bigger accident, and if the police had seen her she would have been arrested,
Just shows that despite what had happened further up the carriageway, she was still thick enought to cross over.
When I asked them were they had been and were they we’re going to, it turns out the 1 who run over the motorway, they had all been to visit her other half at Doncaster prison.
I doubt we’ll get anything official from the po-lice or highways about the incident in question, they’re full of ■■■■… 
The Highways Agency have advised that they are no longer
involved with this incident.
It is a “Police Led Investigation” and will remain under
the jurisdiction of the Major Collision Enquiry Team at
West Yorkshire Police Headquarters in Wakefield.
W.Y. Police have already been sent a written request for
any publicly available information about the collision.
Dieseldoforme:
The Highways Agency have advised that they are no longer
involved with this incident.
It is a “Police Led Investigation” and will remain under
the jurisdiction of the Major Collision Enquiry Team at
West Yorkshire Police Headquarters in Wakefield.
W.Y. Police have already been sent a written request for
any publicly available information about the collision.
I bet if it turns out to be the fault of the mini bus and its passengers then nothing will be released.
FarnboroughBoy11:
I bet if it turns out to be the fault of the mini bus and its passengers then nothing will be released.
Possibly so, after so many (but not all) fatal collisions there is significant press activity and much speculation of blame takes place, and then the actual verdict at the inquest is never reported.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Dieseldoforme:
The Highways Agency have advised that they are no longer
involved with this incident.
It is a “Police Led Investigation” and will remain under
the jurisdiction of the Major Collision Enquiry Team at
West Yorkshire Police Headquarters in Wakefield.
W.Y. Police have already been sent a written request for
any publicly available information about the collision.
I bet if it turns out to be the fault of the mini bus and its passengers then nothing will be released.
Please tell me why you come to that conclusion?
At present nobody on here knows exactly what happened or who is to blame but normally when a vehicle is hit from behind it is not that vehicle to blame so just curious why you think the opposite.
FarnboroughBoy11:
I bet if it turns out to be the fault of the mini bus and its
passengers then nothing will be released.
Then we will activate the Freedom of Information Act.
albion1971:
FarnboroughBoy11:
Dieseldoforme:
The Highways Agency have advised that they are no longer
involved with this incident.
It is a “Police Led Investigation” and will remain under
the jurisdiction of the Major Collision Enquiry Team at
West Yorkshire Police Headquarters in Wakefield.
W.Y. Police have already been sent a written request for
any publicly available information about the collision.
I bet if it turns out to be the fault of the mini bus and its passengers then nothing will be released.
Please tell me why you come to that conclusion?
At present nobody on here knows exactly what happened or who is to blame but normally when a vehicle is hit from behind it is not that vehicle to blame so just curious why you think the opposite.
Firstly there’s no such thing as ‘normal’ every collision needs to be judged on it’s own merits according to the evidence and those involving a vehicle running into one ahead are no exception.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Farnborough Boy’s view being accurate in this case assuming the truck driver turns out to be innocent and the mini bus driver being to blame.All the evidence so far suggests that Farnborough Boy’s view,concerning secrecy,would probably be the case.Because firstly we’ve seen and been told that the truck driver has been arrested and bailed in regards to possibly causing the accident.
But we then haven’t been told that the truck driver obviously seems to have not admitted to being to blame.
Which logically would mean that the mini bus driver would/should be next in line for the same action to be taken to establish the mini bus driver’s position,in relation to apportioning possible blame relating to the relevant charges.But no surprise we haven’t been told that either.
Then added to that situation would be the motive,concerning wanting to keep the issue of the Highways Agency being a contributor to the accident,quiet ‘if’,as I’ve said,it turned out that the mini bus driver did in fact cross over from the exit lane for the exit slip road into lane 1 of the M62,having confused the advanced warning motorway continuation lane direction signs,and then having acted too late at an obviously excessively low speed to merge on the final ones,which are obviously situated too close to the exit slip road to be fit for purpose. 
130simon:
. . . the actual verdict at the inquest is never reported.
This may be different - there is a tremendous amount of local and
national interest in this case because so many people were involved.
Truck Drivers may also be thinking Holy Crap, what happened there?
That could have been me and a teenager died in a second.