kjw21:
Double post
Friggin DOUBLE!!! 
I really wish people would STOP multiple postingâŚit really is hard work on a small screen and totally unnecessary. Just quote the bit you want to respond to - itâs not hard 
There must be at least 4 pages of multiple quotes 
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Heâll be back later.
Heâs watching Shipping Wars on The History Channel.
(Theyâre never gonna move those two boats are they ?)
(Iâd stick to the English Phone Box.)
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dri-diddly-iver:
kjw21:
Double postFriggin DOUBLE!!!
Chill man and pass the doobie to the left.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Chill man and pass the doobie to the left.
Iâll try - but itâs hard 
dri-diddly-iver:
kjw21:
Double postFriggin DOUBLE!!!
Wtf are you on about?
kjw21:
albion1971:
stevieboy308:
albion1971:
Fair enough you carry on but 38T takes about the same time to stop no matter which trailer it is on.Yes some loads are affected by braking but in general the average load when secure will react the same.Road surfaces obviously make a big difference to stopping distances.
I just hope you have good judgementâŚSafe driving.have you ever had anything to do with adjusting brakes? and how it can affect braking
how about a half full tanker
anything other than straight, would brake as hard with a high center of gravity load as you would with a low center of gravity one?
i hope your formula is right⌠safe driving
albion1971:
I take it when you were with the driving examiners you had no load on? driving examiners can have absolutely no experience of driving heavy vehicles so maybe they are not the best to judge!You still drive the same as when you passed your test I take it.
thereâs no pleasing some people
no iâm far better now
Driven petrol tankers for 12 years in London (artics) and aircraft refuellers ( A frame drawbar) I could go on but I wonâtâŚgood luck.
Please tell me what in your CV sets you out as any different or more knowledgable than most on here regarding vehicle/driving related incidents.
You have hinted at âknowing more than mostâ nows time to back it up.
Letâs face it it is not the most intelligent forum on the web.I mean some struggle to put a proper sentence together and as for bad attitude well the less said the better.
I do not profess to be any better than anyone else although I have done a lot more with my life other than driving lorries.
Always had the attitude that I need to learn and consequently have done many courses some to do with driving and some others mostly to do with training.
As I have said my real hate is bad driving and I am sad to say some lorry drivers contribute to that in a big way.
albion1971:
Letâs face it it is not the most intelligent forum on the web.I mean some struggle to put a proper sentence together .
Oh we must be such a disappointment to you. Please feel free to leave whenever you like.
Donât let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
Why do you think truck drivers on the roads today are the worst drivers? Is it because they have held you up few times, or they prevented you apexing the round about?
Sorry, but i think your full of it.
You even went and started another topic about a crash with a lorry. I think you need help. Let me ask you this, did you have a crash with a truck that you now got a problem with them? fair enough have a debate but i have noticed that your very quick to jump in and defend cyclistâs who have been hit by trucks and blame the truck driver, and your then quick to jump in if the truck is involved in a crash and blame the truck driver. I think you really need to either relax before you have a heart attack or just have a beer and drive a truck, because lets face it, we do that on a daily basis
Oh just for your info, HGV driving schools are now have to place weight in the back of the truck. This was said to me by a gent who works for A1 hgv
the maoster:
albion1971:
Letâs face it it is not the most intelligent forum on the web.I mean some struggle to put a proper sentence together .Oh we must be such a disappointment to you. Please feel free to leave whenever you like.
Donât let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
please Mr Albion, why donât you just go on over to the Norwegian Mensa forum? Iâm sure there will be enough intellect there for you.
I can feel your pain, really I can. Your hatred of wagon drivers must really grate on you. Iâm not fond of mixing with wagon drivers if the truth be known, so I trend to sit quietly in the corner if I was to go to an RDC for example.
If my dislike was worse, a chronic case of dislike if you please, I would probably feel the need to rant and rave about truck drivers and all the accidents they allegedly cause on truck forum.
No, no, no hang on what am I saying? Iâve got it wrong. If I was â â â â as you appear to be, then I would just visit cyclistswithheadcams.com, and vent my spleen there.
In the mean time iâm away to watch hell drivers and tell everyone its a true story of modern day haulage.
You guys are unreal.I do not hate wagon drivers but I do hate their bad driving.I do not like bad driving from any road user and will always stick up for who I think is in the right.I do not like biased people and that was the reason for posting the video and guess what there are posters blaming the car!
Sorry to disappoint you but I have no pain,no problem and just enjoying my part time retirement.
Mickey they tried that in the 70âs.Do you know the result?The military carry weight as part of their training.
Howâs the motorway lane theory these days?
Think from 30th September, C class must carry 5t and C&E class must carry 8t for the tests.
Hardly worth the bother.It would be far better to have further training after passing your test.Fully loaded wagon and some advanced training.
Trouble is the cost.Sometimes money is more important than safety.
Inquest opened
albion1971:
Hardly worth the bother.It would be far better to have further training after passing your test.Fully loaded wagon and some advanced training.
Trouble is the cost.Sometimes money is more important than safety.
As youâll have seen Iâd actually agree with you that a certain proportion of truck drivers,just like any other drivers,donât seem to have a clue concerning the issues of anticipation and seperation distances.However itâs not a new thing applying just to modern day drivers and you shouldnât let those issues cloud your judgement conerning what might or might not have happened in cases such as this one.
As for the advanced training thatâs just bs.Either a driver has what it takes from day 1 or they donât and it âshouldâ be clear to any trainer at the early stages let alone any decent driving examiner as to wether a driver has what it takes programmed into their thinking.
While those issues apply the same wether itâs a loaded truck or an empty one or a car or a motor cycle.Which therefore means that the issues which youâre ( rightly ) complaining about are obviously a failure of the training and examination standards.However if itâs then a case of a driver showing that they could drive properly during training and examination but then decides to take the zb afterwards thatâs a simple issue for the law to deal with by concentrating on going out and nicking people for zb driving like tailgating.The penalties for which arenât exactly lenient. 
Driver-Once-More:
Inquest opened
âTrapped beneath the busâ
Jesus, she must have been ejected then. Seat belts or lack of, have to be a factor in this surely.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Driver-Once-More:
Inquest openedâTrapped beneath the busâ
Jesus, she must have been ejected then. Seat belts or lack of, have to be a factor in this surely.
My thoughts exactly. I posted earlier in the thread saying how often do you see people not wearing seat belts on minibuses/coaches me included. You always see Stag Doâs/Hen Doâs standing up kneeling on the seats facing behind them talking to their mates. Not saying that wearing seat belts would have stopped a young girl tragically loseing her life but it may have drastically lowered the risk.
Beth Jones R.I.P.
"An inquest was today opened (1/5/13) into the death of 18-year-old Bethany Jones, who was killed on the M62 in West Yorkshire while travelling to a hen party in a minibus.
The group was travelling from South Elmsall to Liverpool for a hen night to celebrate the forthcoming wedding of Stefanie Firth, 24, who is now in the Leeds General Infirmary.
The inquest opening at Wakefield this morning heard emergency services were called just after 1130 on Friday (26/4/13) to the exit slip road to junction 32 on the west bound M62.
Coronerâs officer Anthony Lancaster said the Mercedes minibus, which was carrying 21 women, was involved in collision with a HGV.
Mr Lancaster said: âIt would appear the HGV has collided with the rear of the minibus on the west bound carriageway, causing it to veer across the carriageway, thus causing it to overturn.â
The inquest opening was told Bethany, of South Elmsall near Pontefract, was trapped underneath the minibus.
Coroner David Hinchliff said preliminary findings of a post mortem indicated Bethany died of multiple internal injuries.
The inquest was adjourned pending the outcome of further enquiries.
West Yorkshire Police said the lorry driver, arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving, had been bailed."
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Hardly worth the bother.It would be far better to have further training after passing your test.Fully loaded wagon and some advanced training.
Trouble is the cost.Sometimes money is more important than safety.As youâll have seen Iâd actually agree with you that a certain proportion of truck drivers,just like any other drivers,donât seem to have a clue concerning the issues of anticipation and seperation distances.However itâs not a new thing applying just to modern day drivers and you shouldnât let those issues cloud your judgement conerning what might or might not have happened in cases such as this one.
As for the advanced training thatâs just bs.Either a driver has what it takes from day 1 or they donât and it âshouldâ be clear to any trainer at the early stages let alone any decent driving examiner as to wether a driver has what it takes programmed into their thinking.
While those issues apply the same wether itâs a loaded truck or an empty one or a car or a motor cycle.Which therefore means that the issues which youâre ( rightly ) complaining about are obviously a failure of the training and examination standards.However if itâs then a case of a driver showing that they could drive properly during training and examination but then decides to take the zb afterwards thatâs a simple issue for the law to deal with by concentrating on going out and nicking people for zb driving like tailgating.The penalties for which arenât exactly lenient.
We obviously have some things we agree on and some we do not.Yes plenty drivers(not just trucks)do not have a clue about anticipation or separation distances.It is probably more prevalent now with the roads being so busy.The problem is now it seems to be taken for granted with the biggest majority doing it day in day out.Go back a bit and it was only the odd one that did it.
Regarding advanced training it is certainly not bs as you like to put.Yes it could be wasted on the ones that will not change their attitude but I have seen many a driver learn an awful lot through it.
Yes you can tell from day one whether a driver has a natural ability or not but even with natural ability it does not necessarily mean they have good road sense.
As for driving examiners they have to let candidates away with an awful lot.You have to be pretty bad to fail.I know examiners that have resigned because they do not like having to pass poor drivers.
The thing about advanced driving courses(and yes some are crap)can teach drivers not to put themselves in vulnerable situations and it is amazing how many drivers do that without realising.
You can tell a driver about safe distances etc but after they pass their test basically it is up to them.Sometimes over a period of time complacency and bad driving habits creep in without them realising.
albion1971:
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Hardly worth the bother.It would be far better to have further training after passing your test.Fully loaded wagon and some advanced training.
Trouble is the cost.Sometimes money is more important than safety.As youâll have seen Iâd actually agree with you that a certain proportion of truck drivers,just like any other drivers,donât seem to have a clue concerning the issues of anticipation and seperation distances.However itâs not a new thing applying just to modern day drivers and you shouldnât let those issues cloud your judgement conerning what might or might not have happened in cases such as this one.
As for the advanced training thatâs just bs.Either a driver has what it takes from day 1 or they donât and it âshouldâ be clear to any trainer at the early stages let alone any decent driving examiner as to wether a driver has what it takes programmed into their thinking.
While those issues apply the same wether itâs a loaded truck or an empty one or a car or a motor cycle.Which therefore means that the issues which youâre ( rightly ) complaining about are obviously a failure of the training and examination standards.However if itâs then a case of a driver showing that they could drive properly during training and examination but then decides to take the zb afterwards thatâs a simple issue for the law to deal with by concentrating on going out and nicking people for zb driving like tailgating.The penalties for which arenât exactly lenient.
We obviously have some things we agree on and some we do not.Yes plenty drivers(not just trucks)do not have a clue about anticipation or separation distances.It is probably more prevalent now with the roads being so busy.The problem is now it seems to be taken for granted with the biggest majority doing it day in day out.Go back a bit and it was only the odd one that did it.
Regarding advanced training it is certainly not bs as you like to put.Yes it could be wasted on the ones that will not change their attitude but I have seen many a driver learn an awful lot through it.
Yes you can tell from day one whether a driver has a natural ability or not but even with natural ability it does not necessarily mean they have good road sense.
As for driving examiners they have to let candidates away with an awful lot.You have to be pretty bad to fail.I know examiners that have resigned because they do not like having to pass poor drivers.The thing about advanced driving courses(and yes some are crap)can teach drivers not to put themselves in vulnerable situations and it is amazing how many drivers do that without realising.
You can tell a driver about safe distances etc but after they pass their test basically it is up to them.Sometimes over a period of time complacency and bad driving habits creep in without them realising.
As youâve said the roads are more saturated now which probably explains why the issues which youâre decribing just âseemâ to be more prevalent but in reality the actual proportions of the no hoper driving population is probably the same.As Iâve shown it certainly wasnât just a case of the âodd oneâ going back in time.Just to prove it Iâll post the relevant video again this time just watch through the whole thing and as youâll see zb driving standards were just as prevalent then as a proportion of road users in the UK.As I remember it the best motorway driving standards,with a few exceptions,could usually be found on the continent,especially Germany,at least until the wall came down.
The common issue seems to be drivers whoâve been brought up around slow,gutless,cars and trucks and dumbed down speeds which seems to dumb down their perceptions from day 1.The idea of speed limiters and continuously dumbing down speeds to suit the no hopers obviously seems to be making the problem worse.When the idea should be to get new drivers out on the road with fast cars and unlimited trucks and then find out from the start wether theyâve got what it takes to drive them properly at speed using the required amounts of anticaption,reading the road ahead,and maintaining a decent seperation distance.In which case,contrary to your ideas,it really is all about natural ability from day 1.In just the same way that good aircraft pilots are born not trained.
Well you certainly have some different ideas however at least you have an opinion not like some!
Again I agree with some of what you say but not all.I have never liked speed limiters on trucks but the problem is usually the driver and not the limiter but that is another story.
Regarding dumbing down speeds for no hopersâŚI think it more to do with road safety than anything to do with no hopers but they certainly do not always come up with the best solutions.
One thing I do not really understand is when you say to let drivers loose at speed to see if they are capable of anticipation and separation distance.
I can tell you if they cannot make that judgement at lower speeds it will only get worse as speeds increase.
You want to discuss flying planes and pilots I would be more than interested to hear more of your views.