And all the time the government make the decisions, cause the strife, get everyone fighting with each other etc etc… it’s all working perfectly for them then isn’t it? We turn on the immigrants when it’s our own powers-that-be who are causing the problems in the first place, it’s entirely their fault for the way they treat illegals coming here!
So is it acceptable to think it’s fine for a man to die a horrible death because he might possibly be a threat to our way of life? Would it be acceptable to bump off a few disabled people or Downs kids because they take so much from the state too?
the maoster:
^^^^ absolute desperation and absolute desperation to get to the UK are two wildly different things!
Not really.
I’ve got to disagree Luke. I understand the desperation to escape persecution, torture, starvation etc, any of these things would make any sane individual flee the place where it could happen to them. So to that end I would say that once said individual had reached the relative safety of any EU country then their journey would be over, after all each EU country has the same safe haven laws guaranteeing asylum to those in genuine need, so my point was just what would make a person who had acheived safe haven once more risk their life on the axle of a lorry just to reach the UK? Surely it can’t be the lure of our glorious summers?
It’s a obvious point that everyone overlooks but I’d suggest many chose the UK because they can speak English or some amount of it. Despite what our hysterical media wasn’t you to think we aren’t the number one target for illegal immigrants, not even close, France and Germany have way more than us. I’d wager that many of the ones in France chose to stop there because they speak French. So dont let the hysteria blind you, we aren’t number one target for every immigrant in the world and if you’d spent years traveling here and risking your life over and over again you’d probably not have done it to sit around for £40 a week from the government.
Face:
And all the time the government make the decisions, cause the strife, get everyone fighting with each other etc etc… it’s all working perfectly for them then isn’t it? We turn on the immigrants when it’s our own powers-that-be who are causing the problems in the first place, it’s entirely their fault for the way they treat illegals coming here!
So is it acceptable to think it’s fine for a man to die a horrible death because he might possibly be a threat to our way of life? Would it be acceptable to bump off a few disabled people or Downs kids because they take so much from the state too?
No it isn’t ‘fine’ for anyone to die in the course of our open door immigration policy wether they be immigrants or the inevitable victims when it all goes wrong in the form of it allowing in terrorists.The issue being that of the bleeding heart socialist and cheap labour alliance that is attracting them here thereby causing either the economic immigrants to fall off of trucks getting here or the potential for casualties if/when those ‘immigrants’ actually turn out to be terrorists.
To which the answer of the socialists is as usual to resort to emotional blackmail in the form of saying that closing the door to and repatriation of immigrants who’ve got in equates to the euthanasia/murder of disabled people.That’s assuming the usual racist accusation doesn’t work.
Carryfast:
To which the answer of the socialists is as usual to resort to emotional blackmail in the form of saying that closing the door to and repatriation of immigrants who’ve got in equates to the euthanasia/murder of disabled people.That’s assuming the usual racist accusation doesn’t work.
The bizarre thing is that “Socialism” used to involve concepts such as improving the lot of the working-class, whereas nowadays it seems to be about showing undying support for Margaret Thatcher’s vision of the mass importation of cheap eastern-bloc labour to enrich her mates to the detriment of the working class . They genuinely seem not to understand the irony of this.
I really think the “racism” card is losing its effectiveness, if nothing else then UKIP have forced the mainstream parties to address ordinary peoples’ concerns, rather than treating immigration as a totally taboo subject and describing decent members of the electorate as “bigots”.
Carryfast:
resort to emotional blackmail in the form of saying that closing the door to and repatriation of immigrants who’ve got in equates to the euthanasia/murder of disabled people.
Your mind works in mysterious ways
muckles:
Carryfast:
No it isn’t ‘fine’ for anyone to die in the course of our open door immigration policy wether
How can we have an open door immigration policy if people have to hang underneath trucks to try and get here?
Carryfast:
No it isn’t ‘fine’ for anyone to die in the course of our open door immigration policy wether
How can we have an open door immigration policy if people have to hang underneath trucks to try and get here?
Because of the fact that if/when they get here they won’t face automatic,summary,immediate deportation and will instead be provided with government help to stay here.Proves that they are the victims of the ‘pretence’ of a closed door immigration policy,which is actually an open door immigration policy.With the obvious aim of rigging the domestic labour market in favour of low wage employment using an unofficial uncounted stream of cheap immigrant labour to add to the official numbers.
Carryfast:
To which the answer of the socialists is as usual to resort to emotional blackmail in the form of saying that closing the door to and repatriation of immigrants who’ve got in equates to the euthanasia/murder of disabled people.That’s assuming the usual racist accusation doesn’t work.
The bizarre thing is that “Socialism” used to involve concepts such as improving the lot of the working-class, whereas nowadays it seems to be about showing undying support for Margaret Thatcher’s vision of the mass importation of cheap eastern-bloc labour to enrich her mates to the detriment of the working class . They genuinely seem not to understand the irony of this.
I really think the “racism” card is losing its effectiveness, if nothing else then UKIP have forced the mainstream parties to address ordinary peoples’ concerns, rather than treating immigration as a totally taboo subject and describing decent members of the electorate as “bigots”.
I think there has always been that contradiction within the union movement ever since the immigration invasion kicked off.Which usually resulted from the naive,flawed belief that Socialism and all it stands for was/is the answer to the low wage environment preferred by the CBI.Which in this case ironically inevitably results in the contradiction of the alliance between the ethnic integrationist agenda of the Socialist ideology and the cheap labour agenda of the CBI.
While others realised that Powell was correct in that regard.Only time will tell if things have changed much in more of the working class moving towards Powell’s ideas regarding the immigration issue and moving away from the historic Labour socialist agenda.Or continue with acting like turkeys voting for Christmas by continuing their support of that socialist/cheap labour alliance.
Meanwhile desperate immigrants will continue to pay with their lives as part of that cheap labour pretence of ‘border controls’ on the basis of the economic bribes of government ‘help’ to stay here ‘if’/‘when’ they can get here.In a way which obviously hides the true level of immigration by providing the government with a hidden,unofficial stream of cheap labour in addition to the official publicised figures.That’s assuming the indigenous population doesn’t eventually inevitably pay with their lives when our open door immigration policy eventually,inevitably lets in the ‘wrong’ type of people wether it be official immigration that walks in at the airports/sea ports in which it has been shown that even a murder conviction is no problem to entry,or unofficial in the form of hiding in or under a truck to get in.
It occurs to me that if all new arrivals in this country were entitled to no benefits whatsoever at any time of their life (having not been born here) we could save countless lives by muddying the pool that is the British benefit system.
We wouldn’t have to “curb our borders” or do anything else where the EU just “says no” that way.
We can cut benefits without hassle from Europe - since the very notion of austerity cuts is something that the EU is massively in favour of anyway. Why do you think the German Right are up in arms about their own immigration problems, which they see as the reason for their own austerity lifestyles at present?
Even with this situation in Australia - No one for a moment has suggested that “It was totally wrong for the government to NOT put this person on remand for being accused of such serious things like ■■■■■■ assault, preaching race-hate, and generally being a loony rather likely to cause harm to the public at the earliest opportunity” - which indeed, happened of course…
Why do our politicians not learn from the mistakes of “brush it under the carpet” multi-culturalism?
Whilst the UK need to merely scrap benefits for immigrants outright - Australia perhaps will eventually elect to only allow continued immigration from “socially sanctioned” countries - IF they keep their noses clean. Any law broken by someone from a sanctioned state - gets an automatic custodial sentence for so much as dropping litter or setting his dog on the postman.
Perhaps it is now time for ASBOs to not only be given teeth, but actually applied to the seriously dangerous and anti-social behavior of “incompatible religion”. Muslims thing it’s a great sin to drink alcohol, eat pork, convert to another religion, and inter-marry for example. We need to enforce our own allowances and laws upon them a bit more I think. I’d soon get busted for walking down the streets of Riyadh swigging from a beer can, having an offensively-dressed wife (ie showing anything above her ankles), taking the ■■■■ out of that guy who’s name begins with M… or chatting to any local female by herself (if I could find any!).
“When in Rome”… and all that.
We just need to enforce our own laws a lot more than we are in the “Western” world.
Carryfast:
‘… we aren’t in the Schengen agreement … we actually do have border controls between Calais and Dover…’
Hence the question mark to indicate a vague nod to that bit of communism - albeit we’re in the situation of accepting 1970’s sticking plaster as protection against a 2014 tidal wave of (post Empire and not my fault) desperation whilst Westminster lah-lah’s in denial
Carryfast:
‘…As for immigration policy based on ‘ethnic diversity’ … we’ve had that problem since 1946 long before we joined the EU.Hence the fate of Enoch Powell.None of which can be blamed on the EU…’
So if ‘…we’ve…’ had the problem that long, why have ‘…we…’ been content to pay the EU shed-loads since the 70’s for them to neglect and subordinate us whilst hearing them & their apologists mutter ‘now is not the time to discuss this’
Let’s face it. The “EU” is all about France and moreso Germany.
Everyone else is on the take, which of course puts the UK into the “third producer nation”. They can’t continue without our hefty shoulders to stand upon all the time.
A ‘Triumvirate of Tossers’ as far as the respective governments are concerned.
A ‘Caliphate of Crap’ as far as those trying to get here illegally are concerned too…
I know all these EU citizens are entitled to come here under this freedom of movement act and likewise I am entitled to go to their country. I have never heard or seen anything about what I would be entitled to if I turned up at an airport in Bulgaria or Romania with only the clothes I was wearing and no money.
I am sure no do gooders would rush to help me because of my human rights etc and I suppose an illegal would not have a snowballs chance.
We may not be able to stop them coming here but the EU should not be able to stop us treating them as they would treat us.
I might have it all wrong of course they might give me a penthouse hotel suite and a new Skoda car - when is the next flight.
Phil
My take on this is that all these illegal immigrants from Africa etc should only have the right to claim asylum in the 1st safe country they reach, and not have the choice of transiting several safe countries to claim it in the UK ,
Then there is the very real threat to us all from the deadly virus ebola which no one seems to of mentioned some of these people are coming from countries where ebola is rife, I wonder if an outbreak of ebola in Fancie will be the kick up the rse their French need to sort out this problem , I think they would clear the lot out from places like Calais if some of their citizens became infected due to an illegal immigrant
The current security of our borders (to prevent illegal immigration) is a joke heart beat monitors that don’t detect a heartbeat, they are movement detectors and not 100% effective so could be giving a false sense of security to drivers, infact short of a open the doors and a visual rummage /or use of body dogs and x’ray scanner
on every vehicle then this will continue https://interact.innovateuk.org/documents/1524978/1866952/Border%20Force%20presentation
As for if an immigrant fell off the axle would i stop if i knew , no not a chance, would i stop and help one if i came across one lying in the carriageway again no as how could you help someone with such severe injuries and theres the risk to your own health to consider ebola as well as from traffic, maybe who ever pulled the man onto the hard shoulder just didn’t want to drive over him or maybe he pan iced or was an illegal immigrant too
I found this which maybe old , but i do find their refusal to provide the requested info somewhat suspect FOI23298 Response.pdf
I don’t know how it has been for others who move to other countries but i remember when i moved to Holland in the mid 70s i was told i had to register with different people,ex police immigation and job center.I was told in no uncertain terms that i had a limited time in Holland if i had no personal wealth otherwise i must find a job or ‘‘sling me ook’’.
The same situation has occured here in Sweden.When i moved here i purchased my cottage,car,snowscooter and quad all cash.Ispent the first 6 months renovating my house and living from my savings.At no time did i go to any institution to ask for money.After 6 months a friend said ‘‘maybe you should go to the immigration center just to let them know you are here and will look for work when it suits you’’.This i done and was told that either i had to have £15000 in my bank account or i had to find a job otherwise i would not be granted a residents permit.I informed them i had £12000 but had bought my house cash so was not dependent on Sweden for Money.This was not considered sufficient and i was informed that i had 3 months to ‘‘sort it out’’.The next week i was offered work by a friend and sent the contract to immigration.I received,almost by return of post a letter saying ‘‘welcome to Sweden’’.Mike
tommy t:
Then there is the very real threat to us all from the deadly virus ebola which no one seems to of mentioned some of these people are coming from countries where ebola is rife ]
No one has mentioned it as in this scenario its not a risk. It takes these people at least months to get here, in many cases years. Ebola isn’t an issue.
tommy t:
the risk to your own health to consider ebola as well as from traffic]
So, you wouldn’t stop? My view of people who wouldn’t stop to assist a dying man wont get past swearing filter.
Carryfast:
‘… we aren’t in the Schengen agreement … we actually do have border controls between Calais and Dover…’
Hence the question mark to indicate a vague nod to that bit of communism - albeit we’re in the situation of accepting 1970’s sticking plaster as protection against a 2014 tidal wave of (post Empire and not my fault) desperation whilst Westminster lah-lah’s in denial
Carryfast:
‘…As for immigration policy based on ‘ethnic diversity’ … we’ve had that problem since 1946 long before we joined the EU.Hence the fate of Enoch Powell.None of which can be blamed on the EU…’
So if ‘…we’ve…’ had the problem that long, why have ‘…we…’ been content to pay the EU shed-loads since the 70’s for them to neglect and subordinate us whilst hearing them & their apologists mutter ‘now is not the time to discuss this’
The EU has nothing whatsoever to do with our continuing open door ‘non’ EU immigration policy which has been there since at least 1946.Which,as the mayor of Calais has stated,‘the EU’ ‘wants’ us to remove the ‘attractions’ that are ‘causing’ people from Asia and Africa to travel through Europe to get here.You’re confusing the issue of ‘non EU’ immigration ( which even Farage seems to want to keep at least in some form ), with the issue of EU immigration which is the basis of the ‘argument’ between UKIP and the EU concerning ‘that’ specific type of immigration’.
IE the question in this case is firstly that Farage seems to be no Powell in that regard.While the domestic population has been brainwashed,by decades of the socialist/cheap labour agenda,not surprisingly,branding anything which threatens the status quo,of the immigration policy which has applied here,since long before we joined the EU,as supposedly ‘racist’ just as it did in the case of Powell.
Therefore the issue isn’t just that of ‘EU immigration’ it is ‘all’ immigration with the issue in ‘this’ case involving Africans hiding under trucks being all about the latter ‘not’ the former because EU immigrants don’t need to hide under trucks to play along with the supposedly closed door non EU immigration policy that is actually just as open door as it ever was.Just so long as it can remain hidden so as to make the figures look good for the government in ‘saying’ that it is controlling immigration while ‘doing’ the opposite.All based on the same cheap labour agenda that kicked it all off with the Empire Windrush.
tommy t:
My take on this is that all these illegal immigrants from Africa etc should only have the right to claim asylum in the 1st safe country they reach, and not have the choice of transiting several safe countries to claim it in the UK
It is fair to assume that ‘if’ it is all supposedly about safety and ‘asylum’ then there is no need for any ‘African’ immigrant to leave Africa considering that Egypt and Morrocco for two examples are considered safe enough to be western tourist holiday destinations.The same applies in the case of Asian immigration in that there are plenty of Asian countries that are considered safe enough for westerners to go to to work or for a holiday.The problem in this case being the bleeding heart socialist and cheap labour alliance that wants to bring them here for their own political aims and financial benefit.
+1…though you are forgetting about the gangs of organised criminals that are transporting them up from whatever tip of a country that they originate from to work of the debt they now owe for getting transported over in the 1st place.hence the fact that its running battle turf wars for the best spots approaching Calais etc to get the trailer doors open for whatever gang operates there.if they were genuine asylum seekers,then 1 they wouldn’t be 99% skinny single guys aged 18-30…and 2…they wouldn’t be trapsing an extra 2000 miles through 3 or 4 countries to queue up at the ferry terminals…its organised big business crime now,simple as that.whatever the idiots belive to start the journey,then if there in here,there not getting back out,and if they don’t pay wages to the importers,then itl be a case of your granny or sister will be getting her hands chopped off etc. they are not victims of war torn countries,they are simply parasites out for easy money. I read an article just before bulgario/Romania got into the eu where the mayor of a town said,that in the previous year,crime had dropped 97% due to the fact that every scallywag had left and was in Britain on the rob,with the bonus of whatever they earned by whatever means they earned it,then they sent it back home,meaning all the properties were being renovated,bought,with work for local builders etc and the town was booming at the expense of soft touch Britain,and long may it continue…id love someone to show me how that isn’t correct . if there all meant to be refugees,how come they’ve all got nice new t shirts and adibok trainers!!!
