Harry Monk:
My guess is that there are a lot of drivers who would not work a 12 hour shift for £6.20 an hour for the first eight hours and time and a half after that, but who would be prepared to work a 12 hour shift for 7.23 an hour straight through.
The same that Wayne is all hung up on the holiday pay, now don’t get me wrong it all needs to be worked out but the difference between 6.20 and 7.50 he quoted is 1.12 a day over the year
davepenn54:
This is totally ridiculous for Class 1 work, even in these ‘Ard Times’, my recent 7.5ton work (2.5yrs) was paying more. Feel sorry for the guys/gals who might have paid an arm & a leg to get their ticket and then find that this rate of pay is what they are rewarded with.jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/detailj … =DOV/31979
Regards
Dave Penn;
Well seeing how it was me who started this thread I think it’s time I added something else. Well it has been interesting to hear from Lesley from Coombe Valley Transport admitting being defensive what I find difficult is how you have the gall to even try to be defensive. When I saw this job add I really thought it was a joke, especially as I knew this company from old when I used to load dried fruit out of Western Docks in the 70’s and used see their trucks and chat to their drivers on a regular basis and all seemed to be ok with their job/employer.
What I find indefensible is the fact that Lesley thinks that £6.20 per hr for class 1 work is acceptable It is the very bottom of the going rate for 7.5tonners which around West Yorks; has now gone up to around £7.00/£7.50 so anyone in their right mind, employee/employer would want to be earning/paying more than that for Class 1 work
It is a very low hourly rate for class 1 work however you dress it up and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for expecting any class 1 driver to work for such a pittance
Very sad that some employers put such little monetary value on their drivers contribution to their own wealth creating machine
Regards
Dave Penn
So is £6.20 per hr; for Class 1 work a poor rate or a good rate
Regards
Dave Penn;
@lesleyanne, why is it for me to decide I think I have made my views on the rate quite plain in my 3 post’s
I haven’t made derogatory remarks about your company or any of your drivers. What I have done though is point out that the rate is now regarded as below the going rate for 7.5 ton work and as for holiday pay I would assume you pay the 40 hrs at basic also the problems getting a mortgage as has been pointed out by JD & grumpybum.
Your comments about some of us being ignorant and not understanding your smoke and mirrors routine is highly amusing
So I will put question again to you personally :- Is £6.20 per hr; for Class 1 work a poor rate or a good rate
Regards
Dave Penn;
So once again @lesleyanne in your opinion 'is £6.20 per hr; for Class 1 work a poor rate or a good rate ’
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Dave Penn;
@lesleyanne Well an almost straight answer at last ‘a fair rate’ not poor but not good. The title for this thread was ‘Low Pay for C + E’ and the basic rate is not just low but poor in the scheme of things and that is my opinion and I am free to express that just as you have been able to use smoke and mirrors and bonuses and overtime and the length of time your company has been in operation and how nearly all drivers have long service records, in fact you have made it sound like it’s a ‘dead man’s shoe’s’ type of job
You can fool some of the people all of the time and you can fool all of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.
Regards
Dave Penn;
lesleyanne wrote:
We do not expect our Drivers to do any work whilst they are on Break. A break is an essential part of the day where time is their own to do as they please. We do not pay any Cash in Hand all payments are strictly through the books. Our Drivers take pride in the Trucks and would never walk away from them leaving the keys in the ignition, only an idiot would do that and still expect to be insured/employed. They treat their Trucks that are allocated specifically to them on the commencement of employment, the same as they would their own private cars. I would like to add that none of our Drivers claim benefits and the majority own their own property. So all is not as bad as Dave tries to make out for them.
We have held two O Licenses for a very long time with no blemishes against our record. We have permits for all EU Countries unfortunately in this day and age with the flip flop brigade we do not use them. The Drivers do not sign their contracts in blood or saying till death us do part.
@lesleyanne, If I am the Dave you are referring to would you please point out in which of my post’s I have made out it is bad for your driver’s or made disparaging remarks about them or even your company. I started this thread commenting about an unknown employer looking for Class 1 drivers at a basic rate of £6.20 per hr; That is a very poor basic rate for Class 1 driver’s and it’s obvious you are never going to accept that. If your driver’s are happy fine, I’ve never said you pay cash in hand to anyone but I would be very surprised if none of your drivers get some top up with Working Tax Credits or Child Tax Credits, which is also fine by me, that is if you only employ single people with no dependents ergo no Tax/Child Credit eligibility
I’m feeling very nauseous though reading some of the complete bull-plop you have written about your big happy family You are running a general haulage company not a Sure Start Centre, some of the stuff you’ve written, and expect us to believe, is straight out of a corporate PR spin department’s archive and not very good at that
Regards
Dave Penn;
You obviously cannot read, I have not slated your drivers, your company or yourself in any offensive way. I didn’t even know it was Coombe Valley Transport when I started the thread about very, very low rate for Class 1 work. The only person who has been defensive in this thread is you and it is about something that you really can’t defend, Very, Very poor rate for Class 1 work If you cannot answer the questions I have asked you about what you keep alleging I have said you are quickly losing the tiny amount of credibility some commenters to this thread might have been good enough to afford you for contributing in the first place.
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Dave Penn;
@Truckulent, take no notice of Harry Monk Ltd; He’s on a wind up probably trying to sub some work out of CVT or knows them well
Pound to a penny Harry M. you would never drive an artic, as an employed driver, for £6.20 per hr. never mind £86.80 a day. £6.20 per hr. is the rate for a 7.5 ton driver 2.5 yrs ago it is now anywhere between £6.50 - £7.50 and Class 1 is anywhere between £7.20 - £9.00 per hr average. £6.20 per hr for Class 1 work is a very poor basic rate however you dress it up and whatever the name of the company is that is offering it
Regards
Dave Penn;
lesleyanne wrote:
I actually do not need to defend our rates of pay. I have tried to keep this light but obviously you are not reading the posts correctly.
I think it is now time to back off and let you stand alone on your pedestal. I do not think it is myself that is losing Credibility and am not prepared to get into a slanging match with you.
davepenn54 wrote:
You obviously cannot read, I have not slated your drivers, your company or yourself in any offensive way. I didn’t even know it was Coombe Valley Transport when I started the thread about very, very low rate for Class 1 work. The only person who has been defensive in this thread is you and it is about something that you really can’t defend, Very, Very poor rate for Class 1 work If you cannot answer the questions I have asked you about what you keep alleging I have said you are quickly losing the tiny amount of credibility some commenters to this thread might have been good enough to afford you for contributing in the first place.
Regards
Dave Penn;
Apart from being unable to read you seem to have problems interpreting anything I have written. You are the only person who has got into any kind slanging match. I’m not on any kind of pedestal I just know what is a very poor rate for Class 1 work and what you pay as a basic rate, £6.20 per hr, is in mine and other people’s mind’s, a very poor rate, end of
Regards
Dave Penn;
@pete-b, I know, yer right mate It just becomes very annoying when someone keeps making statement’s about things you haven’t said or done and when you ask them to show you where you have been abusive they become even more offensive than they already have been.
Regards
Dave Penn;
lesleyanne wrote:
Read the post again Dave. I said some people on here are critical of my Drivers. I did not say it was you. Blowing things out of proportion.
It should not bother you too much you are retired and not looking for work so why so glum
davepenn54 wrote:
@pete-b, I know, yer right mate It just becomes very annoying when someone keeps making statement’s about things you haven’t said or done and when you ask them to show you where you have been abusive they become even more offensive than they already have been.
Regards
Dave Penn;
@lesleyanne. No you have made a least three post’s where you have named me as slating your drivers, your company and being very offensive to you personally but when I have asked to point out were I have done this you have constantly come back with some flim flam and tried to deflect it onto how good your company is, how you socialise together and really it’s us on this thread who have got it wrong and that £6.20 per hr. is actually a fair rate
All your response’s have shown you find it difficult to put a reasoned argument together to justify paying £6.20 per hr; for Class 1 work and for me that speaks volumes.
Also don’t believe everything you read in ‘profiles’ that was 4yrs ago and lot of things have changed since then and I’ve been unretired for at least 3yrs.
Regards
Dave Penn;
@waynedl, don’t take to heart mate if no-one has responded to your post’s, it happens to me all the time, so for you I think you have put some great point’s over in this thread and Lesley Glover has been unable to answer you just as she has made out we are abusive and offensive to her, the company and the drivers of said company But as pete-b has said ‘the rate is pish, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it, if those poor sods are happy to accept the pish rates then more fool them.’
Regards
Dave Penn;
Ok well I’m totally ■■■■■■ off with the way this thread has been twisted and manipulated
So for all of you who haven’t been arsed to read it from the beginning this is how it started. No mention of any particular employer, no slating of any driver’s, just a general statement that the rate of basic pay offered, £6.20 per hr is ridiculously low for Class 1 work and the rate paid is the same as what was generally accepted as the going rate for 7.5ton work 2.5 yrs ago.
It was never about how many hrs you can do and all the bonuses and the ‘we are all one big family’ BS It was about a basic rate of £6.20 being seen as acceptable for Class 1 general haulage work.
Regards
Dave Penn;
Harry Monk wrote:
newmercman wrote:
Harry Monk wrote:
One day I might employ people. I could now, but I couldn’t pay any more than anyone else does, so I avoid the flak by not doing so.
That statement suggests that you too do not understand the principles of a free market economy
No. As I have said before, I am aiming to get a type of work which is in the doldrums now, but which has in the past paid considerably more than general haulage, and would again if it ever re-appeared.
Because it’s not a type of work where one firm or one driver is the same as the next firm or driver, I could get more than general haulage rates for doing it and could pay more than general haulage rates to anyone I employed.
So what you are now saying Harry Monk Ltd is that if the exhibition work came up and you could take someone on from the local area who maybe had worked for CVT at £6.20 per hr you would double their max daily rate from £74.40 to £148.80 ? I’m sure if in a few months time if things go the way you want and you can put another vehicle on the road you will be wanting to maximise your profit so you will looking to pay the lowest rate possible to the driver you take on and if that daily rate works out at £6.20 per hr. so be it, coz you have to get a return on your investment and the risk you have taken plus you are now a job provider. As I have said before as an employed driver I doubt you would have got out of bed for £6.20 per hr but now you have become a OD and a potential employer it won’t be long before you expect other people to get out of bed to do it for that. As you have said more than once in this thread it seems that what CVT are offering as an hourly rate works out the same as a day rate that you say is about average for the area so once you’ve put a couple of motors on the road you’ll be quids in along with CVT. So good on yer that’s what business is about making a profit and I’m sure you and CVT will always be able to attract employee’s but whether you are able to retain them is the bigger question, a disaffected employee can do untold damage to a young company.
Regards
Dave Penn;
@NewLad, this is the first post of this thread and it was about exactly what you have asked but unfortunately throughout the whole 8 pages no straight answer has been forthcoming. Sadly the employer concerned has taken a very patronising and dare I say offensive stance in a vain attempt to defend themselves from a group of obviously ignorant, stupid, lazy current & retired sponging lorry driver’s (All words lesleyanne has used in her response post’s) who really should have better thing’s to do than raise the issue of the exploitative employer’s mindset that we should be eternally grateful to them for providing the gift of employment at whatever paltry remuneration they deem fit to offer. Also as we keep being reminded this company has been around for 111 yrs and it would appear that the poster was there at the beginning as well, I’m sure we stopped sending 10yr olds up chimney’s for sixpence a day over 100 yrs ago but they still think £6.20per hr. for Class 1 work is a fair rate, Victorian work values still exist in Dover apparently.
For all the new entrant’s to the industry who have invested a lot of time and money into gaining the highly valued vocational licence I wish you all good luck and safe trips and can assure you that not all employers will devalue your personal investment in such a callous and brazen way.
Good Luck to you all
Regards
Dave Penn;
RIP Michelle Marie Kerry 26/02/1978 - 03/02/2012
lesleyanne wrote:
Mr Penn You obviously have too much time on your hands to sit and watch for me to come online and state facts. To be perfectly honest with you if the cap fits then wear it. You have tried to belittle not just me but the Company and our Drivers. We do not care what you think you are not even in the Market for employment within our area. I do not class Drivers nor anyone as as Ignorant stupid lazy or spongers. I do not have the time nor inclination to discuss with you any further the politics of Employment at any wage. You are not constructive with your critism and your attempts at being funny would not put you in the market for a career in Comedy. I have the utmost respect as I have previously stated for our Employees and other LGV 1 Drivers with morals that would work for a pay packet at the end of the week.
davepenn54 wrote:
davepenn54 wrote:
This is totally ridiculous for Class 1 work, even in these ‘Ard Times’, my recent 7.5ton work (2.5yrs) was paying more. Feel sorry for the guys/gals who might have paid an arm & a leg to get their ticket and then find that this rate of pay is what they are rewarded with.
jobseekers.direct.gov.uk/detailj … =DOV/31979
Regards
Dave Penn;
@NewLad, this is the first post of this thread and it was about exactly what you have asked but unfortunately throughout the whole 8 pages no straight answer has been forthcoming. Sadly the employer concerned has taken a very patronising and dare I say offensive stance in a vain attempt to defend themselves from a group of obviously ignorant, stupid, lazy current & retired sponging lorry driver’s (All words lesleyanne has used in her response post’s) who really should have better thing’s to do than raise the issue of the exploitative employer’s mindset that we should be eternally grateful to them for providing the gift of employment at whatever paltry remuneration they seem fit to offer. Also as we keep being reminded that this company has been around for 111 yrs and it would appear that the poster was there at the beginning as well, I sure we stopped sending 10yr olds up chimney’s for sixpence a day over 100 yrs ago but they still think £6.20per hr for Class 1 work is a fair rate, Victorian work values still exist in Dover apparently.
For all the new entrant’s to the industry who have invested a lot of time and money into gaining the highly valued vocational licence I wish all good luck and safe trips and can assure you that not all employers will devalue your personal investment in such a callous and brazen way.
Good Luck to you all
Regards
Dave Penn;
OK think that’s game, set and match to me Once again you have shown how arrogant and patronising you are. Not once have I criticised your drivers or your company and I have only been very slightly critical of you because you have been unable to show where in any of my post’s I have said any of the things you keep accusing me of saying. Wouldn’t be surprised if you provide your drivers with secondhand IPad’s and a £5.00 bonus at Xmas to register on here to tell us how wrong we all are and that £6.20per hr is the new top rate and it’s great and we all need to get with the programme and live the dream
Regards
Dave Penn;
RIP Michelle Marie Kerry 26/02/1978 - 03/02/2012
The Crusader in this picture is a very smart restoration of, IIRC, an ex military 6x4, although CVT did run some 4x2 Crusader’s back in the day alongside some NG & SK Mercs; Also this truck did a run down to Italy a few years ago along with a number of other restored classics, F88’s/89’s, 141’s, 3300’s I’m sure someone off TNUK was involved with it and did a diary about the trip. I don’t believe this Crusader was ever run by CVT but the restorer had some link to them and did it in their livery as he remembered them as a child.
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Dave Penn;
splitshift wrote:
newmercman wrote:
Analogue tachos Now you can see why
Love it! the Crusader could still give a good account of its self on the road now(along with it’s much maligned stablemate the Marathon) a bit thirsty by todays standards but capable of good journey times,B/L not British Leyland but Before Limiter
Last edited by davepenn54 on Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
@quirkyjohn Good one +1
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Dave Penn;
Harry Monk wrote:
You have to bear in mind that not everybody makes money their first consideration. Some people, myself included, prefer to work for small family owned firms even though we know we could earn far more working for Tesco etc.
I could work for Tesco and be on X amount an hour with pension, paid holidays, subsidised days trips to London etc, instead I prefer to work for my own company, even though it paid me a grand total of £1157.60 for a month of tramping in August, including nights out.
But I just couldn’t work for Tesco etc. Wouldn’t be happy. And what’s the point in money if you’re unhappy?
My local knowledge tells me that CVT are seen as a good firm to work for, who pay the going rate for work in that area. Quite why the OP, who is from Manchester, and is retired, has made this thread a personal crusade is beyond me.
Well Mr Harry Monk Ltd; if they are such a good firm why didn’t you take a job with them in the last 2yrs when you’ve kept bangin on about the reason you have had to go it on yer own is coz there were no decent jobs that paid the going rate yer [zb] hypocrite Now yer all dewy eyed over £6.20 per hr and if can do 12hrs & 15hrs and 5 nights out a week yer gonna have about £400.00.
I haven’t made this thread a personal crusade because if you had taken the time to read the post that opened this thread it was actually about how new entrants to the industry would be feeling mighty ■■■■■■ off after investing their hard earned and then being rewarded with cleaner’s rates £6.20 per hr. But there is one thing for sure I’m not going to take abuse from a wizened old trout or from the likes of you plus I don’t know where you and yer girlie friend in Dover have got the idea that I’m retired, not that it makes one iota of difference, but I’ve been back in the game for almost 3 yrs and I’ve put plenty of post’s and pics on here to show that but maybe coz this time round I was only driving a 7.5 tonner I wasn’t in the big wheeler club so what the [zb] do I know about the transport game Well I reckon it’s about 20yrs worth more than you Harry and you will have to work a lot harder than you do now to get to the same level I’d got to at age 22 Getting the OCPC isn’t the be all and end all and is a very basic qualification, well it has to be given the type of person who is usually having to do it, so just for you Harry unlike most people my route to driving was through the Traffic Office and by the age of 21 I had gained my Qualification for Foremen & Supervisors in Road Haulage and was elected a Member of the Chartered Institute of Transport now the Chartered Institute of Logistics & Transport and then payed for my own Class 1 and passed 4 days after my 21st birthday. So you and your girl friend in Dover can both be as patronising and have your digs at me and try to be as clever as you think you are coz I will not let you get away with it and you will find youv’e taken on the wrong person for sure Harry boy.
Regards
Dave Penn;
Not been on the pop Harry, I’m a single parent now with an 11yr old son who I need to have my head together for so everything I’ve said is from a very sober head and is very true. So you can take it any way you want.
See you tomorrow time for bed
Regards
Dave Penn;
@lesleyanne, OK well I’m back now and as soon as I have taken my son to school I will be responding to your scurrilous untrue remarks
Whatever you say even my son thinks that the very poor basic rate of pay offered by you, remember that is £6.20per hr for class 1 work, is scandalous and even he would expect lorry driver’s to be paid more for the job they do.
Regards
Dave Penn;
RIP Michelle Marie Kerry 26/02/1978 - 03/02/2012
Just a couple from Mr Monk Ltd; or is it Vince 
Harry Monk » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:49 pm
Cool, almost as much as a toilet cleaner!
Wage£6.25 PER HOUR
Hours
25 PER WEEK, 5 DAYS FROM 7, 6AM - 12noon
Location GILLINGHAM, KENT ME8
Duration Permanent
Description
Previous cleaning experience is an advantage but not essential as full training will be provided. Duties will involve cleaning of toilets and showers, mopping of floors, emptying bins, vacuuming and all associated tasks within a leisure environment.
by Harry Monk » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:25 pm
merc0447 wrote:
The employer has claimed an exception under the Equality Act 2010
What does this mean?
Only mentally impaired people will be considered for the job.
Well I was wishing that I really didn’t have to do this but it seems our new resident troll and friend, who I am beginning to think are one and the same, have made it impossible to do anything else really. These are all my post’s on this thread and apart from the penultimate post where I referred to a ‘wizened old trout’ I think I have been incredibly restrained in all of my response’s. Right from the 1st post this was a general thread about a very poor rate for Class 1 work but the defenders of the poor rate are determined to use smoke and mirrors, bonus, night out money, be abusive and offensive to me personally that I just couldn’t hold back any longer.
I will follow up this post with the post’s from lesleyanne which outnumber mine at least 3 to 1 and I then think we will see who has made this thread a slanging match and totally unproductive by acting like a politician even though it took her 6 months to get herself all bitter and twisted over it She still hasn’t been able to answer a straight question in a straight way however many people have asked it.
Regards
Dave Penn;
Dude, how many people do you think are going to read all that again?
Scroll scroll scroll !!!
I suppose the obvious answer here Dave, is for you to set up your own transport company, whereupon you will be free to pay your drivers as much as you want.
I would quote all that but then again it’s easier for me to say Dave just forget the debate it’s so obvious she knows it’s a very low wage for a class 1 driver. She will never admit it just in case her drivers come on here or that she thinks she will look worse then she does already if she admits. Do the maths
stevieboy308:
Dude, how many people do you think are going to read all that again?Scroll scroll scroll !!!
Not really interested if you read it fella, you haven’t had anything positive to add to it anyway and maybe you should just review the things you have already said coz you have contradicted yourself more than once in this thread. 
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Dave Penn;
Harry Monk:
I suppose the obvious answer here Dave, is for you to set up your own transport company, whereupon you will be free to pay your drivers as much as you want.
How do know I haven’t already done that Harry 
Not all owner driver’s want or need a 44 ton vehicle to make a good living even with someone else driving, albeit, only temporarily. Also as I’ve said £7.00 is the average 7.5 ton rate and that’s what I’m paying at the moment. So before you start making assumptions about thing’s you have little or no knowledge about it would be better to keep it to yourself OK.
Regards
Dave Penn;
davepenn54:
Also as I’ve said £7.00 is the average 7.5 ton rate and that’s what I’m paying at the moment.
Presumably you pay time-and-a-half after eight hours too?
Because if you don’t, then you are paying less for a 12 hour shift than Lesleyanne, and you know what they say about people in glass houses.
@Mr Monk, Haven’t got time to go into the pay structure now as I have to get my son off to bed and get my head down myself but I assure you I will be back tomorrow after I’ve taken him to school to put your’s and lesleyanne’s (WoT) mind’s at ease, that I am not living in a glass house.
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Dave Penn;
CLEANER
Vacancy from
Job No:MDS/46713
Add to ‘My job basket’
SOC Code:9233Wage
£8.00 PER HOUR
You pay your blokes a pound an hour less than a cleaner, bleating that you are paying the “going rate”, but devote a whole thread to somebody else who is paying more than you do?
Surely with all of the responsibility they hold, your blokes should be earning as much as a cleaner?
Feel free to explain your pay structure tomorrow Dave, I personally wouldn’t employ a bloke and pay him a pound an hour less than a cleaner, I’d be taking the ■■■■ if I did.
Still, as long as you’re raking it in, eh? 
Forget it.
bigvern1:
Forget it.
No lets not forget it. Its not enough to say £6.20 PH is ■■■■, we need to crucify someone for it, whether its the people who pay it or the people who work for it !!! ■■■■■■■■ the lot of 'em !!!
My Grandada never fought in two world wars for this ■■■■ to happen !!!
bigvern1:
Forget it.
Why? I think we’ve finally got to the bottom of the reason for Dave’s bizarre post. He presumably feels guilty about paying the ■■■■-poor wage that he does and has looked around the internet trying to find somebody who pays less than he does. By not understanding “time-and-a-half after eight hours” he has scored a spectacular own goal.
I’m sure you wouldn’t drive a van for less than a cleaner’s wages, so why should his blokes?
Harry Monk:
bigvern1:
Forget it.Why? I think we’ve finally got to the bottom of the reason for Dave’s bizarre post. He presumably feels guilty about paying the ■■■■-poor wage that he does and has looked around the internet trying to find somebody who pays less than he does. By not understanding “time-and-a-half after eight hours” he has scored a spectacular own goal.
I’m sure you wouldn’t drive a van for less than a cleaner’s wages, so why should his blokes?
You’re doing well Harry, you’ve insinuated its a bog cleaners wage,then said its the norm (which if it was it might not of struck you as a bog cleaners wage !!), and then you’ve totalled about £1200 for a months work yourself. I’m all ears, and looking to put you forward as a showcase for small business entrapraneurs !!!
You’re making it up as you go along really i suspect !!!
Cleaner, Mike, I didn’t say bog cleaner.
And yes, I pay myself a salary of £600 a month, plus allowances. But all that goes to show is that Limeyphil isn’t the only person on here who understands how to maximise his income while legally avoiding paying any more tax than is absolutely necessary.
Harry Monk:
Cleaner, Mike, I didn’t say bog cleaner.And yes, I pay myself a salary of £600 a month, plus allowances. But all that goes to show is that Limeyphil isn’t the only person on here who understands how to maximise his income while legally avoiding paying any more tax than is absolutely necessary.
I’m making it up mate, ignore me…
Re: Low Pay for C + E
Postby Harry Monk » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:49 pm
Cool, almost as much as a toilet cleaner!Wage£6.25 PER HOUR
Hours
25 PER WEEK, 5 DAYS FROM 7, 6AM - 12noon
Location GILLINGHAM, KENT ME8
Duration PermanentDescription
Previous cleaning experience is an advantage but not essential as full training will be provided. Duties will involve cleaning of toilets and showers, mopping of floors, emptying bins, vacuuming and all associated tasks within a leisure environment.User avatar
Harry Monk
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Location: Turnham Green and Peckham
1st page in the thread. I think it may have been someone impersonating you?
Yes, first page. But when I looked into it further I changed my opinion. Some people do that.
Blimey this has got a bit heated.
In reality the rate at what the guys take home is of national average
Just the basic rate that isn’t quite so sparkly!
I was thinking (I really shouldn’t do it as it hurts) my chap works for a smaller company than I work for and by looking just at basic rate I get more
Me £8.40 him £7.50 per hour
We do a similar amount of hours never a difference of any more than 5 hours a week.
However he gets a better wage annually
His employer pays a night allowance, an attendance allowance and a good overtime rate, whilst mine is flat rate straight through.
So Annually he takes nearly £12,000 more home than me.
I know which I would prefer
( and if a position did open up at his place I would jump on it like a tramp on chips!)
Harry Monk:
bigvern1:
Forget it.Why? I think we’ve finally got to the bottom of the reason for Dave’s bizarre post. He presumably feels guilty about paying the ■■■■-poor wage that he does and has looked around the internet trying to find somebody who pays less than he does. By not understanding “time-and-a-half after eight hours” he has scored a spectacular own goal.
I’m sure you wouldn’t drive a van for less than a cleaner’s wages, so why should his blokes?
I wrote forget it, because it was an edit of what I originally wrote. I was gonna say that the cleaning job won’t be for 40+ hrs per week. Then I realised I don’t talk to you do I? And Mike C was right. You did make rather a severe U-turn on this one.Carry on…
davepenn54:
stevieboy308:
Dude, how many people do you think are going to read all that again?Scroll scroll scroll !!!
Not really interested if you read it fella, you haven’t had anything positive to add to it anyway and maybe you should just review the things you have already said coz you have contradicted yourself more than once in this thread.
Regards
Dave Penn;
you’re going to have to help me out with these 2+ contradictions.
the closest i could find was a typo because it was wrote on my phone that has a damaged screen, hence why most of my posts wrote on the phone get edited
stevieboy308:
I can’t be the only one that thinks you lot are being thick as [zb] by expecting someone to come out and admit that the rate of pay is [zb], regaurdless I’d what they think, It’s simple common sense.Yes I think It’s [zb],
should’ve said of, but i’ve edited it to make it a bit clearer.
stevieboy308:
I can’t be the only one that thinks you lot are being thick as [zb] by expecting someone to come out and admit that the rate they pay is [zb], regardless of what they think, It’s simple common sense.Yes I think It’s [zb],
i have been positive, i’ve said it’s a ■■■■ rate. if pointing out supply and demand whether you like or not, it’s how it works and not standing ■■■■■■■■ makes me unpositive , then so be it. but show me what i’ve said that’s wrong or ■■■■■■■■