Martin:
Is this an alternative to duty on fuel? We already pay for the distance traveled in with fuel duty so I don’t really understand what is going to be achieved, other than more admin!
The issue of cheap fuel brought in the enormous tanks on some foreign trucks could easily be solved by charging duty on the fuel imported at the port of entry.
Not sure about the legalities of your suggestion as the haulier would have paid tax on the fuel where it was bought already…albeit less than here, don’t think it can be taxed twice
According to the Beeb, this proposal was to pay for the repair of roads damaged by,strangely enough, traffic…
eeerr, wasnt that the reason behind the road fund licence in the first place, and i think we all know what happened to that.
it as been raided, pillaged and used for anything the so called ‘elite’ thought was their right to spend it on.
Scrap the road tax licence full stop, add a sensibly worked out tax, (and here i am trying desperately not to laugh.) to the price of fuel.
Result, those that use the roads the most pay the most tax.
This was put to the Gov on a number of occasions, and i can remember one Gov spokesman some years ago replying.
‘We do not have the mechanism in place to apply a additional tax’ !!?
The anti truck brigade will read or hear this latest wheeze and rejoice, until the cost of everything they purchase rises as those nasty lorry
owners and drivers refuse to cough up out of their own pockets.
The only way we can make sense of this nonsense & progress with an intelligent debate is if most of you drop this belief that somehow VED is linked to the state of our road network.
Dork Lard:
The only way we can make sense of this nonsense & progress with an intelligent debate is if most of you drop this belief that somehow VED is linked to the state of our road network.
It never has been & it never will be.
Would I be correct in saying that local roads are maintained by the local authorities and their maintenance comes out of your council tax? That means that even people who don’t own cars and (gulp) cyclists pay to keep the roads in good condition.
VED is a tax that simply goes directly into the national governments coffers to pay for ■■■■, diversity training and whatever cool bandwagon they’re jumping on today.
Captain Caveman 76:
Would I be correct in saying that local roads are maintained by the local authorities and their maintenance comes out of your council tax? That means that even people who don’t own cars and (gulp) cyclists pay to keep the roads in good condition.
VED is a tax that simply goes directly into the national governments coffers to pay for ■■■■, diversity training and whatever cool bandwagon they’re jumping on today.
You would be mostly correct Sir. Your local council also relies on central guvmint money in addition to council tax to fulfill their obligations. At the end of the day . . .tax is tax is tax, it all goes in the same pot for the grubby little hands to grab it out & flutter it away.
Mrs B has a Fiesta Zetec Ecoboost thing. £0 per year VED.
The new one that’s come out is £30 a year Govt has finally realised that running engines that do 60 mpg and have clean emissions mean less fuel purchased (less tax paid) and zero/minimal VED.
So millions of people start spending hundreds/thousands per year less each. That’s a lot of dough no longer coming in to the treasury.
eagerbeaver:
Mrs B has a Fiesta Zetec Ecoboost thing. £0 per year VED.
The new one that’s come out is £30 a year Govt has finally realised that running engines that do 60 mpg and have clean emissions mean less fuel purchased (less tax paid) and zero/minimal VED.
So millions of people start spending hundreds/thousands per year less each. That’s a lot of dough no longer coming in to the treasury.
I wonder how the Govt will fill the void?..[/quote
Well they can’t use tobacco tax, as more,people are giving up flags, less people drinking…
So it’s either raise income tax/vat or find another form of taxation.
eagerbeaver:
Mrs B has a Fiesta Zetec Ecoboost thing. £0 per year VED.
The new one that’s come out is £30 a year Govt has finally realised that running engines that do 60 mpg and have clean emissions mean less fuel purchased (less tax paid) and zero/minimal VED.
So millions of people start spending hundreds/thousands per year less each. That’s a lot of dough no longer coming in to the treasury.
I wonder how the Govt will fill the void?..
Well they can’t use tobacco tax, as more,people are giving up flags, less people drinking…
So it’s either raise income tax/vat or find another form of taxation.
Don’t worry I’ll keep the Country going with my sub 30mpg £300+ Ved car.
Proud to do my bit, I wonder if they’ll give me an OBE for services to the Treasury
Franglais:
The idea is to “level the playing field” between UK and foreign trucks: At the moment UK trucks pay VED and fuel tax. Foreign trucks don`t necessarily pay as much, coming in with big tanks full of cheap foreign fuel. Not a perfect solution, maybe, but surely a step in the right direction?
Gonna be a firking nightmare reclaiming all that duty on diesel. If you thought being VAT registered was bad this will be a bloody nightmare.
eagerbeaver:
Mrs B has a Fiesta Zetec Ecoboost thing. £0 per year VED.
The new one that’s come out is £30 a year Govt has finally realised that running engines that do 60 mpg and have clean emissions mean less fuel purchased (less tax paid) and zero/minimal VED.
So millions of people start spending hundreds/thousands per year less each. That’s a lot of dough no longer coming in to the treasury.
I wonder how the Govt will fill the void?..
Well they can’t use tobacco tax, as more,people are giving up flags, less people drinking…
So it’s either raise income tax/vat or find another form of taxation.
Don’t worry I’ll keep the Country going with my sub 30mpg £300+ Ved car.
Proud to do my bit, I wonder if they’ll give me an OBE for services to the Treasury
eagerbeaver:
Mrs B has a Fiesta Zetec Ecoboost thing. £0 per year VED.
The new one that’s come out is £30 a year Govt has finally realised that running engines that do 60 mpg and have clean emissions mean less fuel purchased (less tax paid) and zero/minimal VED.
So millions of people start spending hundreds/thousands per year less each. That’s a lot of dough no longer coming in to the treasury.
I wonder how the Govt will fill the void?..
Well they can’t use tobacco tax, as more,people are giving up flags, less people drinking…
So it’s either raise income tax/vat or find another form of taxation.
Don’t worry I’ll keep the Country going with my sub 30mpg £300+ Ved car.
Proud to do my bit, I wonder if they’ll give me an OBE for services to the Treasury
Me too, £300+ 3.2 V6, 22.5mpg, sod the fluffy bunnies, and childhood asthma, global warming doesn’t happen (denying warming)
From a technology point of view, I wonder if our UK ANPR systems can actually read all those foreign numberplates accurately as there are a heck of a lot of styles, fonts etc?
If they can, how are they going to charge the foreign trucks? Pay a fee before you leave the country or what exactly. Even with the EU it doesn’t seem easy to send out fines for non-payments, so presumably it’ll be just as hard to do it for this tax (and that’s before the EU decide to be awkward).
trevHCS:
From a technology point of view, I wonder if our UK ANPR systems can actually read all those foreign numberplates accurately as there are a heck of a lot of styles, fonts etc?
If they can, how are they going to charge the foreign trucks? Pay a fee before you leave the country or what exactly. Even with the EU it doesn’t seem easy to send out fines for non-payments, so presumably it’ll be just as hard to do it for this tax (and that’s before the EU decide to be awkward).
ConcreteJim has suggested GPS boxes. Could be an Austria style box and gantries? Charge could vary according to road and time of day etc etc. The technology exists.
The alternative could be a simple pay per mile system, such that there`d be problems as $$$ pointed out: save money by taking short cuts on unsuitable roads to save cash.
All we need is an educated politician to put it all together!
trevHCS:
From a technology point of view, I wonder if our UK ANPR systems can actually read all those foreign numberplates accurately as there are a heck of a lot of styles, fonts etc?
If they can, how are they going to charge the foreign trucks? Pay a fee before you leave the country or what exactly. Even with the EU it doesn’t seem easy to send out fines for non-payments, so presumably it’ll be just as hard to do it for this tax (and that’s before the EU decide to be awkward).
ConcreteJim has suggested GPS boxes. Could be an Austria style box and gantries? Charge could vary according to road and time of day etc etc. The technology exists.
All we need is an educated politician to put it all together!
No [zb] chance then!
Phone call to Satellic or Asfinag and say, “you know that tolling system you run?” Ja or Oui comes back the reply, “Fancy doing it here?”
eagerbeaver:
Mrs B has a Fiesta Zetec Ecoboost thing. £0 per year VED.
The new one that’s come out is £30 a year Govt has finally realised that running engines that do 60 mpg and have clean emissions mean less fuel purchased (less tax paid) and zero/minimal VED.
So millions of people start spending hundreds/thousands per year less each. That’s a lot of dough no longer coming in to the treasury.
I wonder how the Govt will fill the void?..
Well they can’t use tobacco tax, as more,people are giving up flags, less people drinking…
So it’s either raise income tax/vat or find another form of taxation.
Don’t worry I’ll keep the Country going with my sub 30mpg £300+ Ved car.
Proud to do my bit, I wonder if they’ll give me an OBE for services to the Treasury
Me too, £300+ 3.2 V6, 22.5mpg, sod the fluffy bunnies, and childhood asthma, global warming doesn’t happen (denying warming)
Pah… amateurs. I drives a v reg transit, non turbo oil burner. I once brimmed the tank before a long weekend of driving up and down the motorway, and did a quick calculation to determine the miles per gallon. Keeping her properly lit, my wallet cries and hides, and my local petrol station manager starts googling “maldives”…
trevHCS:
From a technology point of view, I wonder if our UK ANPR systems can actually read all those foreign numberplates accurately as there are a heck of a lot of styles, fonts etc?
If they can, how are they going to charge the foreign trucks? Pay a fee before you leave the country or what exactly. Even with the EU it doesn’t seem easy to send out fines for non-payments, so presumably it’ll be just as hard to do it for this tax (and that’s before the EU decide to be awkward).
ConcreteJim has suggested GPS boxes. Could be an Austria style box and gantries? Charge could vary according to road and time of day etc etc. The technology exists.
All we need is an educated politician to put it all together!
No [zb] chance then!
Phone call to Satellic or Asfinag and say, “you know that tolling system you run?” Ja or Oui comes back the reply, “Fancy doing it here?”
What? Use a system that is already up, running, and (more or less) debugged? Why do that when I`m sure there is a UK company that has an MD who is buddies with someone in the Gov and can promise to do more for less? Perish any such thought.
Adonis.:
you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k.
Wouldn’t have thought there would be many car drivers doing 70k a year, especially private mileage, I think the average is about 8000 miles pa.
I know at least 3 who claim to do more than 70k, driving their own cars for work. No reason to doubt them. Several more doing around 40k.
I know someone who bought a brand new SUV in August and it already has 25k miles on the clock. A friend’s missus got a brand new Clio a couple of years ago, 15k in a year.
Mileage based ‘tax’ is the fairest system.
A.
Right so someone living in the highlands should pay the same mileage tax as someone in London. Really fair.
While I’m not saying that the government should introduce mileage charging for lorries, if they do decide to do that the simplest way would be to increase fuel duty - no new system, no extra technology.
Adonis.:
you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k.
Wouldn’t have thought there would be many car drivers doing 70k a year, especially private mileage, I think the average is about 8000 miles pa.
I know at least 3 who claim to do more than 70k, driving their own cars for work. No reason to doubt them. Several more doing around 40k.
I know someone who bought a brand new SUV in August and it already has 25k miles on the clock. A friend’s missus got a brand new Clio a couple of years ago, 15k in a year.
Mileage based ‘tax’ is the fairest system.
A.
Right so someone living in the highlands should pay the same mileage tax as someone in London. Really fair.
Govt has finally realised that running engines that do 60 mpg and have clean emissions mean less fuel purchased (less tax paid) and zero/minimal VED.
