Is this an alternative to duty on fuel? We already pay for the distance traveled in with fuel duty so I don’t really understand what is going to be achieved, other than more admin!
The issue of cheap fuel brought in the enormous tanks on some foreign trucks could easily be solved by charging duty on the fuel imported at the port of entry.
kcrussell25:
Franglais:
The idea is to “level the playing field” between UK and foreign trucks: At the moment UK trucks pay VED and fuel tax. Foreign trucks don`t necessarily pay as much, coming in with big tanks full of cheap foreign fuel. Not a perfect solution, maybe, but surely a step in the right direction?Only if they do reduce the fuel tax for trucks. Until it actually happens…
Youre right until we know exactly how any scheme would work, its too early to say. But getting all trucks to pay for the roads instead of just UK registered ones is a start. If it is set up well, and lets be honest it will apply to ALL vehicles sooner or later, it could help reduce congestion by getting people to choose cheaper times to travel, or cheaper less used roads. That would take a fair bit of thought and planning, and couldnt easily be done on a shoestring, but theres potential there. One danger is a "quick fix" done on the cheap that induces the problems were trying to avoid.
Mazzer2:
Read this, this morning seems that the haulage industry is going to be used as the cash cow to make up for the shortfall in VED and fuel duty, according to the RAC if you charge HGV’S by the mile then there will be less of them, as it will cut down empty running yet the main culprits for empty running are the supermarkets and logistics companies who will just pay the levy and not adjust their behaviour.
How about a £25 levy for every empty seat in your car, that would do more to reduce congestion £75 for a quick nip to the shops would soon have people walking one of the biggest causes of congestion is short needless journeys.
This bought a smile to my face 
They would have a ball if they saw me deliver from NYC to Truro, Nova Scotia which takes 2 days each way and return empty
tallyman:
Has anyone explained how the system would work? I can understand it for trucks on motorways and major trunk roads, simply have ANPR cameras at junctions, but it would be unfeasible to cover all roads and all vehicles, so the school run and other short runs would not be affected unless they eventually plan to put ‘black-boxes’ in every vehicle - hopefully not in my lifetime though…
Nail hit on head. Black boxes will be fitted to all vehicles. “If you have nothing to hide…”.
Enter Rob or Juddian in 1… 2… 3…
Franglais:
kcrussell25:
Franglais:
The idea is to “level the playing field” between UK and foreign trucks: At the moment UK trucks pay VED and fuel tax. Foreign trucks don`t necessarily pay as much, coming in with big tanks full of cheap foreign fuel. Not a perfect solution, maybe, but surely a step in the right direction?Only if they do reduce the fuel tax for trucks. Until it actually happens…
You
re right until we know exactly how any scheme would work, its too early to say. But getting all trucks to pay for the roads instead of just UK registered ones is a start. If it is set up well, and lets be honest it will apply to ALL vehicles sooner or later, it could help reduce congestion by getting people to choose cheaper times to travel, or cheaper less used roads. That would take a fair bit of thought and planning, and couldnt easily be done on a shoestring, but theres potential there. **One danger is a "quick fix" done on the cheap that induces the problems were trying to avoid**.
Don’t be daft. The government will put a trusted company in charge, with a proven track record in implementing complicated schemes successfully. Like G4S or Crapita.
Oh wait…
the nodding donkey:
tallyman:
Has anyone explained how the system would work? I can understand it for trucks on motorways and major trunk roads, simply have ANPR cameras at junctions, but it would be unfeasible to cover all roads and all vehicles, so the school run and other short runs would not be affected unless they eventually plan to put ‘black-boxes’ in every vehicle - hopefully not in my lifetime though…Nail hit on head. Black boxes will be fitted to all vehicles. “If you have nothing to hide…”.
Enter Rob or Juddian in 1… 2… 3…
Its simpler then that, gps boxes like belgium. Done.
the nodding donkey:
Franglais:
kcrussell25:
Franglais:
The idea is to “level the playing field” between UK and foreign trucks: At the moment UK trucks pay VED and fuel tax. Foreign trucks don`t necessarily pay as much, coming in with big tanks full of cheap foreign fuel. Not a perfect solution, maybe, but surely a step in the right direction?Only if they do reduce the fuel tax for trucks. Until it actually happens…
You
re right until we know exactly how any scheme would work, its too early to say. But getting all trucks to pay for the roads instead of just UK registered ones is a start. If it is set up well, and lets be honest it will apply to ALL vehicles sooner or later, it could help reduce congestion by getting people to choose cheaper times to travel, or cheaper less used roads. That would take a fair bit of thought and planning, and couldnt easily be done on a shoestring, but theres potential there. **One danger is a "quick fix" done on the cheap that induces the problems were trying to avoid**.Don’t be daft. The government will put a trusted company in charge, with a proven track record in implementing complicated schemes successfully. Like G4S or Crapita.
Oh wait…
They could use an eminently successful company such as you suggest, or they could try and do it themselves using all the funds the treasury would produce, to ensure we have the best minds available? After all we`re well off at the moment and have no other projects on the go, have we?
EDIT. Or nick ConcreteJims idea? Too easy: theyd reduce rates between 08hr and 09hr on Mondays, and double it between 02hr and 04hr because voters don`t like trucks at night!
dogthehunter:
I think it’s a brilliant idea … it works in Belgium Germany Austria etc… means with the proposed balance in a UK hauliers fuel duty and ved that all hauliers of all nationalities will pay towards the upkeep of our roads
Also works in Switzerland, Hungary and Slovakia
muckles:
The scientists knew the difference between CO2 and NO2 emissions between Diesel and petrol engines, it was politicians pushing diesel and telling the public they were the low emission alternative, even though they had the information.
Surely no one could be naive enough to think that it’s more often a case of penny pinching diesel buyers going by their own blind mpg is everything buying criterea.It’s also the particulate issue even with all the EGR and DPF bollox.The end result being diesel buyers spending a pound in the form of all the added complication and maintenance costs and up front purchase price of stinking diesels and diesel fuel,when they aren’t removing DPF’s and putting in even more stinking paraffin in the things,to save themselves a penny in the form of a few bob saved in fuel costs over 10,000 miles pa.In addition to giving zb’s like Kahn more ammunition to hit all of us.When realistically there’s no reason why any vehicle needs to be diesel fuelled including trucks when all the figures and relative merits of using petrol or LPG v diesel are added up.To which the answer of the manufacturers like GM and Ford is you can only have a 1.4/1.5 petrol take it or leave it if you want anything better then you have to have a bleedin diesel. 
As for road pricing anyone would be even more naive to believe that it’s not just a way of ripping off the industry and forcing more trucks off the road even more than the present rip off of road fuel duty and VED.Let alone drivers acting like turkeys voting for Christmas in supporting it when it’s their jobs that will be on the line.While it obviously seems to confirm how they’ll get back the missing road fuel duty in the case of a move to EV’s.While in the medium term you can bet that the thieving anti road transport government will make the best use of maintaining road fuel duty and VED also combined with road pricing on top.All helped along by the gullible public’s unquestioning belief in the bs Global Warming theory and that the control freak,anti car and truck,pro rail,big business backed government is doing it all for our good.
tallyman:
Has anyone explained how the system would work? I can understand it for trucks on motorways and major trunk roads, simply have ANPR cameras at junctions, but it would be unfeasible to cover all roads and all vehicles, so the school run and other short runs would not be affected unless they eventually plan to put ‘black-boxes’ in every vehicle - hopefully not in my lifetime though…
This country has more static Anpr camera’s than you know, how do you think the police covertly track a car, county to county. They call it “targeted policing”
Carryfast:
muckles:
The scientists knew the difference between CO2 and NO2 emissions between Diesel and petrol engines, it was politicians pushing diesel and telling the public they were the low emission alternative, even though they had the information.Surely no one could be naive enough to think that it’s more often a case of penny pinching diesel buyers going by their own blind mpg is everything buying criterea.It’s also the particulate issue even with all the EGR and DPF bollox.The end result being diesel buyers spending a pound in the form of all the added complication and maintenance costs and up front purchase price of stinking diesels and diesel fuel,when they aren’t removing DPF’s and putting in even more stinking paraffin in the things,to save themselves a penny in the form of a few bob saved in fuel costs over 10,000 miles pa.In addition to giving zb’s like Kahn more ammunition to hit all of us.When realistically there’s no reason why any vehicle needs to be diesel fuelled including trucks when all the figures and relative merits of using petrol or LPG v diesel are added up.To which the answer of the manufacturers like GM and Ford is you can only have a 1.4/1.5 petrol take it or leave it if you want anything better then you have to have a bleedin diesel.
As for road pricing anyone would be even more naive to believe that it’s not just a way of ripping off the industry and forcing more trucks off the road even more than the present rip off of road fuel duty and VED.Let alone drivers acting like turkeys voting for Christmas in supporting it when it’s their jobs that will be on the line.While it obviously seems to confirm how they’ll get back the missing road fuel duty in the case of a move to EV’s.While in the medium term you can bet that the thieving anti road transport government will make the best use of maintaining road fuel duty and VED also combined with road pricing on top.All helped along by the gullible public’s unquestioning belief in the bs Global Warming theory and that the control freak,anti car and truck,pro rail,big business backed government is doing it all for our good.
Like it or lump it, thats the free market at work! People choose with an eye on the money. Govs "fix" those choices through taxes of course. Force trucks off the road? To be replaced by what exactly? Yep. EVs currently have free use of the roads, that are paid for by others. An overall increase in taxes? Wouldnt be a surprise, after all as these taxes would be paid by ALL hauliers the price of transport would rise, and be passed onto the end consumer. So itd be a disproportionate burden on those whose income is all spent on goods, not on those whose income goes on services and savings, ie the poorer members of society pay most. About what youd expect from fiscally right of center Gov?
Mazzer2:
the main culprits for empty running are the supermarkets and logistics companies
Really? In my time doing supermarkets I very rarely ran empty at all, goods out recycling back
Martin:
Is this an alternative to duty on fuel? We already pay for the distance traveled in with fuel duty so I don’t really understand what is going to be achieved, other than more admin!
The issue of cheap fuel brought in the enormous tanks on some foreign trucks could easily be solved by charging duty on the fuel imported at the port of entry.
Not being picky or that but what about all the uk haulers that run out empty and fill up in europe.Or when they run back in with full tanks to avoid buying to much here do they get a fuel import duty aswell.Also this is just a cash cow scheme to try and get the extra pennies in that is all.
Adonis.:
you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k.
What makes them ‘tossers’? The fact they do more miles than you or that they drive economical vehicles?
switchlogic:
Adonis.:
you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k.What makes them ‘tossers’? The fact they do more miles than you or that they drive economical vehicles?
Probably both, otherwise they would have merely been ■■■■■■■■ .
switchlogic:
Adonis.:
you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k.What makes them ‘tossers’? The fact they do more miles than you or that they drive economical vehicles?
Everyone else on the road is blind, suicidal ■■■■■■.
■■■■■■ is the polite word because of the naughty word filter.
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Adonis.:
you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k.
Wouldn’t have thought there would be many car drivers doing 70k a year, especially private mileage, I think the average is about 8000 miles pa.
muckles:
Adonis.:
you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k.Wouldn’t have thought there would be many car drivers doing 70k a year, especially private mileage, I think the average is about 8000 miles pa.
I know at least 3 who claim to do more than 70k, driving their own cars for work. No reason to doubt them. Several more doing around 40k.
I know someone who bought a brand new SUV in August and it already has 25k miles on the clock. A friend’s missus got a brand new Clio a couple of years ago, 15k in a year.
Mileage based ‘tax’ is the fairest system.
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Adonis.:
muckles:
Adonis.:
you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k.Wouldn’t have thought there would be many car drivers doing 70k a year, especially private mileage, I think the average is about 8000 miles pa.
I know at least 3 who claim to do more than 70k, driving their own cars for work. No reason to doubt them. Several more doing around 40k.
I know someone who bought a brand new SUV in August and it already has 25k miles on the clock. A friend’s missus got a brand new Clio a couple of years ago, 15k in a year.
Mileage based ‘tax’ is the fairest system.
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That’s some major commuting, but the average is still 8000per year.
muckles:
That’s some major commuting, but the average is still 8000per year.
I never said it wasn’t.
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